Maki Zenin VS Ruby Rose (10-6-2) FINISHED

[LaserPrecision]

From behind...in the air? She wouldnt be behind, she would be below.

Did we not establish earlier that Maki can emulate flight by walking on air? Knowing the surroundings would be nice too cuz if there's skyscrapers n shit those are fair game.

She would have to travel dozen to well over 100 meters from below without Ruby noticing her, while Ruby would be doing nothing but scanning the ground below her as thats the only direction Maki could come from

If Toji didn't get spotted by Gojo and several other individuals looking around, she's not spotting her. Not to mention Maki would literally wait until she is off-guard as I stated from the start. Why would she strike when her opponent is actively looking around? She would wait until Ruby thinks she fled from combat, ***** off, chase her down quietly, and murder her once she's open.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Did we not establish earlier that Maki can emulate flight by walking on air? Knowing the surroundings would be nice too cuz if there's skyscrapers n shit those are fair game.

We did yes. She would still need to use that to go up to reach Ruby. Ruby is not blind, she has two functioning eyes. She would see a person running through the air.

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If Toji didn't get spotted by Gojo and several other individuals looking around, she's not spotting her. Not to mention Maki would literally wait until she is off-guard as I stated from the start. Why would she strike when her opponent is actively looking around? She would wait until Ruby thinks she fled from combat, ***** off, chase her down quietly, and murder her once she's open.

You'd have a point if Ruby wasnt given prior knowledge, but she was, and thus its very, VERY unlikely that Ruby would let her guard down.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

We did yes. She would still need to use that to go up to reach Ruby. Ruby is not blind, she has two functioning eyes. She would see a person running through the air.

So did Gojo, Geto and Amanai yet Toji sneaked on all of them at the same time.

Maki would easily get behind Ruby

 

[LaserPrecision]

We did yes. She would still need to use that to go up to reach Ruby. Ruby is not blind, she has two functioning eyes. She would see a person running through the air.

Geto, Riko, and her butler who was looking behind Gojo also has two functioning eyes and didn't see Toji going right up behind Gojo before turning Gojo into a shishkebab. She's not spotting Maki.

You'd have a point if Ruby wasnt given prior knowledge, but she was, and thus its very, VERY unlikely that Ruby would let her guard down.

She has prior knowledge of Split Soul Katana. Not Maki's entire profile. She'll think Maki retreated since she couldn't beat Ruby for choosing to fly around like a chicken. Maki will wait it out until her guard is down, and kill her.

 

[Robo432343]

Incon FRA

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Geto, Riko, and her butler who was looking behind Gojo also has two functioning eyes and didn't see Toji going right up behind Gojo before turning Gojo into a shishkebab. She's not spotting Maki.

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Again, Ruby is not going to be relying on her aura sense to track Maki, so unless Maki quite literally turns invisible, there is zero reason to assume that Ruby would not see a person running directly at her.

She has prior knowledge of Split Soul Katana. Not Maki's entire profile. She'll think Maki retreated since she couldn't beat Ruby for choosing to fly around like a chicken. Maki will wait it out until her guard is down, and kill her.

She would not think that no. Again, you are acting like Ruby is an idiot, she isnt, she is a seasoned fighter. She would have no reason to let her guard down until she confirms Maki is dead.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Again, Ruby is not going to be relying on her aura sense to track Maki, so unless Maki quite literally turns invisible, there is zero reason to assume that Ruby would not see a person running directly at her.

Maki isn't going to be running directly at her. That is the opposite of stealth. She is going to wait for an opening, and then assassinate her. And if people looking in Toji's general direction couldn't see him (and the person with God tier perception in the verse didn't notice until he got impaled), then she's not seeing him either. She will not be anywhere within eyesight.

She would not think that no. Again, you are acting like Ruby is an idiot, she isnt, she is a seasoned fighter

No one claimed she was an idiot. She is going to think Maki flaked when she never returns to the battlefield. Toji staked out Gojo for literal DAYS before he struck waiting for the right opportunity. She is going to be caught off-guard and killed. She's not some omniscient deity who just knows the opponent is hiding for hours or days straight waiting to get the jump on her. That's you projecting what you would think onto her because you have outsider knowledge.

 

[Naito-desu]

I think I will be voting for Maki for the above stated reasons, namely what I believe is her advantage in close quarters

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Ruby FRA

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Never thought a matchup with Maki having a dura-neg sword would go so close but it makes sense with Ruby having prior knowledge

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

No one explained shit about how Ruby would counter stealth

 

[WeeklyBattles]

No one explained shit about how Ruby would counter stealth

No one explained how maki would sneak up on Ruby beyond arguing that Ruby would act suicially stupid and severely out of character

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Indeed, laser comment is invisible

 

[LaserPrecision]

Voting for Maki. Weekly had no refutation for my last point so I'm unconvinced Ruby is getting past Maki's stealth. Unless Weekly (or anyone else) has evidence of Ruby being suspicious someone is stalking her for several days straight after retreating from combat and is vigilant the entire time, she's getting assassinated the moment Maki has the wiggle-room. "That's out of character and is suicidally stupid" isn't an argument. It's just an excuse to not assert evidence.

 

[Phoenks]

Counted. Score is 5-5-1 from what I've counted. Maybe missed some idk.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Voting for Maki. Weekly had no refutation for my last point so I'm unconvinced Ruby is getting past Maki's stealth.

My dude, your argument is Ruby being blind and acting borderline suicidal.

Unless Weekly (or anyone else) has evidence of Ruby being suspicious someone is stalking her for several days straight after retreating from combat and is vigilant the entire time, she's getting assassinated the moment Maki has the wiggle-room. "That's out of character and is suicidally stupid" isn't an argument. It's just an excuse to not assert evidence.

Why would the battle be allowed to go on for an entire week if Maki actively leaves the fight?

 

[LaserPrecision]

My dude, your argument is Ruby being blind and acting borderline suicidal.

You are being obtuse and strawmanning my argument rather than posting evidence that this wouldn't work on her. I didn't say she's blind or acting suicidal. I explicitly stated Maki would assassinate Ruby when she isn't actively looking for her, and can get in close before she can spot her. You are acting as if Maki is going to walk in to kill her while Ruby is looking straight at her.

Why would the battle be allowed to go on for an entire week if Maki actively leaves the fight?

No one said an entire week. I said days. Toji waited for like 2 or 3 days IIRC until he had the opening to finally stab Gojo. And Maki isn't leaving the fight, she is actively stalking her target the entire time waiting for an opening. If we treated that as like self-bfr, then characters whom rely entirely on stealth for their fighting style would be forced to initiate in combat that is out of character for them for a match-up to be valid. If Maki ran away to another country and just completely forgot about the fight, then yeah. That'd be self-bfr, win for Ruby. But that's not what is happening.

Now please produce evidence that Ruby watching someone seemingly leave a fight for several days is on-guard the entire time thinking they are secretly watching her waiting for the right moment to strike. If you fail to do so, I personally won't be convinced, and you'll have failed to meet your burden of proof.

 

[Keshirou]

Maki FRA

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You are being obtuse and strawmanning my argument rather than posting evidence that this wouldn't work on her. I didn't say she's blind or acting suicidal. I explicitly stated Maki would assassinate Ruby when she isn't actively looking for her, and can get in close before she can spot her. You are acting as if Maki is going to walk in to kill her while Ruby is looking straight at her.

That would be the only way she can get to Ruby. There is one singular direction Maki can approach Ruby, from below.

No one said an entire week. I said days. Toji waited for like 2 or 3 days IIRC until he had the opening to finally stab Gojo. And Maki isn't leaving the fight, she is actively stalking her target the entire time waiting for an opening. If we treated that as like self-bfr, then characters whom rely entirely on stealth for their fighting style would be forced to initiate in combat that is out of character for them for a match-up to be valid. If Maki ran away to another country and just completely forgot about the fight, then yeah. That'd be self-bfr, win for Ruby. But that's not what is happening.

Now please produce evidence that Ruby watching someone seemingly leave a fight for several days is on-guard the entire time thinking they are secretly watching her waiting for the right moment to strike. If you fail to do so, I personally won't be convinced, and you'll have failed to meet your burden of proof.

Cool, she doesnt have multiple days. She get 24 hours as pre SBA, and thus would lose by self-BFR.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Im going to make a revision about her speed btw, there is no reason for her reactions to be faster than her combat speed.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

But yeah anyways, with everything taken into consideration im solidly voting Ruby now. Ruby has all the tools she needs to beat Maki, the speed and sustain with her semblance and aura restoratives to stay out of her sword's range and just playing the long game with her sniper, even if Maki dodges some of the bullets Ruby just switches to Gravity rounds which still hit the opponent via their AoE bullet radius even if the opponent dodges the bullet itself, and one is all she'd really need to take Maki out.

 

[Phoenks]

I already counted you btw

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Im going to make a revision about her speed btw, there is no reason for her reactions to be faster than her combat speed.

If you're talking about Maki, don't
JJK already has 4 CRTs going on right now, we DON'T need another one the staff won't look at

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

At this point I think we should make a mod request to close all of the CRTs since none of them are going anywhere

 

[Naito-desu]

Too little manpower to properly discern CRTs and most of the actual approvals just feel like rubber stamps anyway

 

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

Maki FRA.

 

[Endou_God_Hand]

That would be the only way she can get to Ruby. There is one singular direction Maki can approach Ruby, from below.

Cool, she doesnt have multiple days. She get 24 hours as pre SBA, and thus would lose by self-BFR.

You say this as if Ruby will be flying for days on end, as if stamina is not a huge concern, especially since the more she uses her semblance the more her aura will be expended, this has the effect of neutering her even more, as she needs aura to pretty much do anything related to her abilities.

Also, that is not how the rule works. In order to win via bfr, the opponent would have to be unable to reach or engage in combat at all. Maki is still engaged in combat, the fight is still occurring, she is just not directly in her face trying to kill her. As long as Maki is still physically present, and actively waiting for a chance, the fight is still ongoing.

Also, you still haven't shown proof of Ruby keeping her guard up for days on end, instead of focusing on that you're trying to game the rules. I'm sure if you showed a scan or moment from the series where Ruby remained perceptive of a threat for days on end (ironically the opposite happens with the Apathy) people would cool off.

 

[Arkenis]

So what is Ruby's wincon?

 

[LaserPrecision]

That would be the only way she can get to Ruby. There is one singular direction Maki can approach Ruby, from below.

Ignoring the fact that is blatantly incorrect since Maki can simulate flight. Ruby would no longer be in the sky when Maki strikes. What part of waiting until she's off-guard and settled do you not understand? Am I conveying myself poorly? Am I not using good enough words? Why do you keep putting words in my mouth I never said.

Cool, she doesnt have multiple days. She get 24 hours as pre SBA, and thus would lose by self-BFR.

That's not how the rules work at all. At this point I'm convinced you're just biased and trying in any way possible to get the match into Ruby's favor. The 24 hours are for people who have been BFR's and are physically incapable of engaging in battle. Not people who are able to strike at any moment and merely waiting for the right moment to strike. That would make stealth a detrimental ability for the user because they end up ******* their selves over. It makes no sense.

Now please, produce evidence rather than and nauseam straw manning me and making up rules that don't exist.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Can anybody tell me when Maki has fought anyone by being an assassin waiting to strike in the series?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Can anybody tell me when Maki has fought anyone by being an assassin waiting to strike in the series?

Against Sukuna, twice

Against Cursed Naoya too

 

[LaserPrecision]

Can anybody tell me when Maki has fought anyone by being an assassin waiting to strike in the series?

Sukuna during Shinjuku, why?

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Yeah, no. Voting Ruby via prior knowledge and being a better, more experienced fighter, IMO. If this fight were to happen my money is on Ruby getting the first shot in and by then its already over.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Yeah, no. Voting Ruby via prior knowledge and being a better, more experienced fighter, IMO. If this fight were to happen my money is on Ruby getting the first shot in and by then its already over.

I prefer this argument, but the chance of Ruby tagging Maki meaningfully is close to none due to her bordering precog analytical prediction. At least not at the start rather. In a prolonged fight, sure. But Maki's resorting to stealth before that If Ruby's not even going to attempt trying close quarters.

 

[Endou_God_Hand]

Yeah, no. Voting Ruby via prior knowledge and being a better, more experienced fighter, IMO. If this fight were to happen my money is on Ruby getting the first shot in and by then its already over.

Speed is equalized, Maki has great Analytical Prediction alongside amp'd / faster reactions. Additionally, a lot of Ruby's experience is in direct fights against monsters or people, not being stalked or having to deal with an assassin

And once again, if you really want to subscribe to the flying keep away strategy, this means Ruby will constantly be expending her aura, her sole energy source for her shield, Semblance, durability and damage amps, and even stamina. She would be making it easier for Maki.

 

[LaserPrecision]

AP is equalized

Do you mean speed? AP can only be equalized in fun and games threads.

 

[Endou_God_Hand]

Do you mean speed? AP can only be equalized in fun and games threads.

Yes, that was my mistake.

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

I think Maki stalking Ruby hardly matters at all. I don't imagine she will even lose Maki to begin with. Not to mention, even in a direct fight alone, Ruby has a massive scythe (obviously, lmfao) that will utterly slash away at Maki. So, close range is off the table. Ruby can spam bullets, with even a single one landed decently screwing over Maki, a 2x weaker opponent. Also, the utterly insane acrobatics I remember her having in the anime. Just sheer agility and acrobatics, and their consistency, from Ruby would probably have Maki’s jaw open, lol.

As for Analytical Prediction, I don't remember it being that impressive as, IIRC, she has only used it on Naoya as he was traveling in straight lines. So, despite the detailed description of her prediction and senses, the feats she has performed with it are honestly kind of simplistic and something I could even see Ruby take an advantage of to land a deadly strike pretty quickly.

Anyway, that's about it from me. I'll let others continue their debates and vote, and whatnot. Its half past midnight and I have work tomorrow. Cya.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Maki FRA

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Ruby has a massive scythe (obviously, lmfao) that will utterly slash away at Maki.

Doing that against someone with a katana capable to ignore durability and that can cut even from far away