Hank (Madness Combat) Vs Ohma (Kengan Asura) (0-0-0)

[Pyro9278]

Hank J. Wimbleton (637.5 Tons):

• Hank is Bloodlusted.
• Has access to all his weapons.
• Post-Apotheosis Hank.

Tokita Ohma (2,373 Tons):

• Ohma is in character.
• He has access to two knives and a katana.

The fight takes place in the Roman Coliseum. They start 5 meters apart. Equal Speed and SBA for the rest.

 

[Comiphorous]

Okay assuming this is Ohma's first key, Ohma is a little under 4 times stronger and has an LS advantage. Speed isn't equal though so Hank kind of blitzes here with is Relativistic speeds.. Assuming that's gonna get equalized.

Hank has several tries here that Ohma can't stop because of the resurrection, has far superior stamina, and i would argue he has a skill advantage here.

 

[Pyro9278]

Okay assuming this is Ohma's first key, Ohma is a little under 4 times stronger and has an LS advantage. Speed isn't equal though so Hank kind of blitzes here with is Relativistic speeds.. Assuming that's gonna get equalized.

"Equal Speed"

Okay assuming this is Ohma's first key, Ohma is a little under 4 times stronger and has an LS advantage. Speed isn't equal though so Hank kind of blitzes here with is Relativistic speeds.. Assuming that's gonna get equalized.

Hank has several tries here that Ohma can't stop because of the resurrection, has far superior stamina, and i would argue he has a skill advantage here.

Hank's resurrection has a limit, but if it's a mismatch, I can give Ohma foreknowledge. Although Hank certainly has better stamina than Ohma and a reaction advantage.

 

[Comiphorous]

Hank's resurrection has a limit,

There's a limit, but he's got enough to get through this.

I can give Ohma foreknowledge.

Wouldn't change anything. Just lets him come to terms with Hank coming back really pissed. There isn't anything Ohma can do to really BFR Hank in any meaningful way he couldn't return from.

 

[Pyro9278]

Wouldn't change anything. Just lets him come to terms with Hank coming back really pissed. There isn't anything Ohma can do to really BFR Hank in any meaningful way he couldn't return from.

Knowing your opponent is going to revive (and the number of times that involves) allows you to respond differently. Anyway, if it's not a stomp, I won't change it right away.

 

[Comiphorous]

Knowing your opponent is going to revive (and the number of times that involves) allows you to respond differently. Anyway, if it's not a stomp, I won't change it right away.

Yeah they got a 4x advantage over Hank, i don't know anything about this character though so i can't say anything for certain.

 

[Pyro9278]

Yeah they got a 4x advantage over Hank, i don't know anything about this character though so i can't say anything for certain.

I guess you're voting for Hank.

 

[Comiphorous]

I guess you're voting for Hank.

I don't know enough about Ohma to say for certain. I'd probably want to hear more about them before voting.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

I am pretty sure even kid Ohma has skill advantage here

But Hank has his perception hax which allows to beat him up before he can even move a muscle i think

Leaning towards hank due to hax for now

Won't vote yet though

Edit: Ohma has fear hax apparently

 

[Comiphorous]

I am pretty sure even kid Ohma has skill advantage here

Is there stuff i'm missing on the profile or something because i think Hank being able to easily dominate an army who have at least hundreds of years, likely millions of years worth of combat training and experience is above what i'm seeing on the profile.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Is there stuff i'm missing on the profile or something because i think Hank being able to easily dominate an army who have at least hundreds of years, likely millions of years worth of combat training and experience is above what i'm seeing on the profile.

Ohma was trained by a guy who can for example predict and redirect bullets by placing his hand in the right place

Someone who has, according to some kengan asura supporters (i have seen them saying this against Tanjiro iirc) and assuming Niko scales to it, they have shit ton of layers scaling in ANPR and info analysis

The weakest kengan verse fighter can predict up to 20 moves in advance, Ohma upscales this gigantically

Has op martial arts where Hank will pretty much get toyed with in H2H with Niko style

Has unpredictable attacks (irrelevant since Hank doesn't have ANPR himself ;c)

And more stuff that i can't remember unfortunately

But if you want, here is a characters kid Ohma should upscale (I made these ;3)

Hongou Hina

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They are characters from different series but it's in the same world and written by the same author of kengan asura

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Check their skill feats list for info

 

[Comiphorous]

snip

None of this is above soloing buildings full of soldiers who can all one-shot him. The guy is so dangerous that the Nexus Core (a faction within Nevada who created weapons weaponizing higher dimensional energy and can create armies trained with millions of years worth of combat experience in mere DAYS) think of him as the world's mythological boogeyman keeping them up at night. When the guy came up to their headquarters and started slaughtering them, they couldn't even stop him even with the help of a second faction specialized in killing him.

This is all on top of him then fighting a man so powerful that it was believed the only way to stand a chance against him was to use one of those weapons weaponizing higher dimensional energy i was talking about.

This isn't even going into the absurdity of fighting Tricky was, who was going around murdering a cult, Nexus Core, ANOTHER FACTION, and a zombie horde at the same time. And hank and tricky end up trying to kill eachother every tuesday for one reason or another.

Spoiler: Nexus Core questioning Hank's existence

"I just… can't fathom how the A.A.H.W. operate. It keeps me up at night. One man? They exist solely to destroy one man? How powerful can this Hank Wimbleton actually be?

"And who put them up to it? If The Employers were involved, then the A.A.H.W. would have a charter just like Project Nexus. If you ask me, it stinks of personal vendetta.

"I'm not very good at riddles, and so far no one has given us a straight answer."

Spoiler: Tricky slaughtering everyone

SANFORD: What a mess we've made getting here. I can see Zeds ripping up the MERCs, Nexus Core goons wrangling Crackpot's boys, and the clown is down there smashing them all to bits.

SANFORD: I hope they don't dock our pay.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

None of this is above soloing buildings full of soldiers who can all one-shot him.

I'm pretty sure kengan characters can do this as well..

The guy is so dangerous that the Nexus Core (a faction within Nevada who created weapons weaponizing higher dimensional energy and can create armies trained with millions of years worth of combat experience in mere DAYS)

I mean, if they just train martial arts without any op feats like kengan asura, i feel like it would barely make a difference here

It's useless if they can't predict or use info analysis, even with said experience, they are not touching someone who can predict more than 20 moves ahead (Ohma upscales this massively even)

Their martial arts aren't even anything new to Ohma, and i am 100% sure they never fought someone as skilled as a kengan verse character for it to matter

think of him as the world's mythological boogeyman keeping them up at night. When the guy came up to their headquarters and started slaughtering them, they couldn't even stop him even with the help of a second faction specialized in killing him.

Same thing above

This is all on top of him then fighting a man so powerful that it was believed the only way to stand a chance against him was to use one of those weapons weaponizing higher dimensional energy i was talking about.

I don't know if this is quantifiable skill wise..?

This isn't even going into the absurdity of fighting Tricky was, who was going around murdering a cult, Nexus Core, ANOTHER FACTION, and a zombie horde at the same time. And hank and tricky end up trying to kill eachother every tuesday for one reason or another.

Kengan can predict blitzes and even stomp said guys, something no one can in madness combat afaik

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Just a reminder that i am still leaning towards Hank (perception hax and weaponry)

But i just don't think he wins skill wise lol

 

[MintyBoi1]

Hank is really good with guns but Ohma’s experience living on the Inside means he’s ready for opponents with weapons. I’m pretty sure even Kaneda was able to take on armed fighters later on in the manga. Not to mention with AP advantage and Adamantine he might just be able to mitigate the damage a bullet could do to him. Hank’s revives could be a major problem but he wouldn’t be able to win close up with the stat differences and at least comparable skill. I think Ohma might have this.

 

[Comiphorous]

I mean, if they just train martial arts without any op feats like kengan asura, i feel like it would barely make a difference here

They use technology to forcibly take memories from people's souls and give them to someone else to "train" them. They don't traditionally train people. They just make bodies physically strong and put the experience into their head. The fact is that they throws hundreds to thousands of these type of soldiers at Hank and he doesn't care and kills them anyways with little to no difficulty.

It's useless if they can't predict or use info analysis, even with said experience, they are not touching someone who can predict more than 20 moves ahead (Ohma upscales this massively even)

I'm talking about the fact Hank fodderizes them, not whether they'd stand a chance against Ohma. Even then, most fodder in the madness combat verse is capable of bypassing stuff like instinctive action and things like that so they got some dip on their chip.

Their martial arts aren't even anything new to Ohma, and i am 100% sure they never fought someone as skilled as a kengan verse character for it to matter

More than half of the skill feats that have been brought up here are defensive/dodging feats and the rest of it has been being some variation of the best fighter in the world, which the average joe in Madness Combat can be scaled above one way or another.

Genuinely i don't see it. you could have a million crazy prediction feats for dodging/defending against attacks but that doesn't mean you can dish that level of skill offensively.

I don't know if this is quantifiable skill wise..?

Yes patrick, fighting and beating someone so powerful that people thought they needed a device that can warp reality is a skill feat.

Kengan can predict blitzes and even stomp said guys, something no one can in madness combat afaik

I'm not sure what this comment has to do with what i said, but yes hank himself has predicted things like teleportation before they happen

 

[XxZetsuxX]

They use technology to forcibly take memories from people's souls and give them to someone else to "train" them. They don't traditionally train people. They just make bodies physically strong and put the experience into their head. The fact is that they throws hundreds to thousands of these type of soldiers at Hank and he doesn't care and kills them anyways with little to no difficulty.

It's still doesn't make them reach fodder level characters in kengan series though that's my point

Hank can stomp them sure, but it's not like he has a colossal skill chain like Ohma does

Is this thread regarding them? I'm talking about the fact Hank fodderizes them, not whether they'd stand a chance against Ohma. Even then, most fodder in the madness combat verse is capable of bypassing stuff like instinctive action and things like that.

Instinctive Action is not the same as predictions, your body just moves on it's own that's all

More than half of the skill feats that have been brought up here are defensive/dodging feats and the rest of it has been being some variation of the best fighter in the world, which the average joe in Madness Combat can be scaled above one way or another.

Offensively Ohma still slaps via skill chain (and i am pretty sure Niko Style is enough for offence)

Genuinely i don't see it. you could have a million crazy prediction feats for dodging/defending against attacks but that doesn't mean you can dish that level of skill offensively.

What i said above

Yes patrick, fighting and beating someone so powerful that people thought they needed a device that can warp reality is a skill feat.

Unquantifiable is what i am saying

I'm not sure what this comment has to do with what i said, but yes hank himself has predicted things like teleportation before they happen

Cool, it's still not enough to surpass them

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Also, i just noticed Hank is blood lusted, he will just go for perception hax out of the bat lol

I am voting Hank then

 

[MintyBoi1]

They use technology to forcibly take memories from people's souls and give them to someone else to "train" them. They don't traditionally train people. They just make bodies physically strong and put the experience into their head. The fact is that they throws hundreds to thousands of these type of soldiers at Hank and he doesn't care and kills them anyways with little to no difficulty.

Not sure if this is Omega or not, but if it is, Alan Wu inherited thousands of years of assassination/combat experience and Raian ripped him in half casually. Ohma is easily comparable to Raian, so they’re basically even in terms of beating guys with tons of experience.

And about Hank’s perception manipulation, what happens if Ohma just amps himself with the Advance? Thats a big speed boost for him so he shouldn’t be blitzed and he’d be fighting more ruthlessly. If Demonsbane comes out, that’ll be hell for Hank.

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Not sure if this is Omega or not, but if it is, Alan Wu inherited thousands of years of assassination/combat experience and Raian ripped him in half casually. Ohma is easily comparable to Raian, so they’re basically even in terms of beating guys with tons of experience.

And about Hank’s perception manipulation, what happens if Ohma just amps himself with the Advance? Thats a big speed boost for him so he shouldn’t be blitzed and he’d be fighting more ruthlessly. If Demonsbane comes out, that’ll be hell for Hank.

This is Inside Ohma

 

[Comiphorous]

It's still doesn't make them reach fodder level characters in kengan series though that's my point

and your point is stupid because you've failed to give me any offensive skill feats that aren't just best in the world bullshit. cough em up or the best he can do is keep hank from punching him in the nose while he isn't using his amps.

Hank can stomp them sure, but it's not like he has a colossal skill chain like Ohma does

I'll tackle this later.

Instinctive Action is not the same as predictions, your body just moves on it's own that's all

Your right, Instinctive Action is typically better than just predicting things.

Offensively Ohma still slaps via skill chain (and i am pretty sure Niko Style is enough for offence)

Just because theres a skill chain doesn't make them more skilled. It's the contents inside there that matter. and the contents inside appear to be 14 different ways to say best in the world fighter which means absolutely nothing compared to what i've brought up. Does this guy seriously have nothing that he does impressively offensively or is it literally just predictions and dodging?

 

[NikHelton]

What's stopping Oma from just knocking Hank out without killing him so he can't be revived?

 

[Comiphorous]

What's stopping Oma from just knocking Hank out without killing him so he can't be revived?

Good luck knocking him out, the only thing that ever puts him under is death. You could blow off half of his head and he'd stay conscious until the blood loss kills him.

 

[NikHelton]

Oma simply uses pressure points and paralyzes him. Chi manipulation simply blocks Hank's nervous system, rendering him incapacitated.

 

[Comiphorous]

Oma simply uses pressure points and paralyzes him. Chi manipulation simply blocks Hank's nervous system, rendering him incapacitated.

Not human, different physiology, wouldn't know how to use it to paralyze him, assuming he has a nervous system in the first place.

"Simply" and it's him encountering something that goes against every law of physic that exists. Nevadeans don't have eyes or arms but still "have" those things in a non-physical sense, and that aspect likely applies to more parts of their physiology. Assuming Oma could use their pressure points on him with no evidence is bonkers.

 

[NikHelton]

Not human, different physiology, wouldn't know how to use it to paralyze him, assuming he has a nervous system in the first place.

"Simply" and it's him encountering something that goes against every law of physic that exists. Nevadeans don't have eyes or arms but still "have" those things in a non-physical sense, and that aspect likely applies to more parts of their physiology. Assuming Oma could use their pressure points on him with no evidence is bonkers.

I didn't know about Hank's physiology, which is why I asked about the knockout scenario. In that case, what are Ohma's wincons?

 

[Comiphorous]

I didn't know about Hank's physiology, which is why I asked about the knockout scenario.

I honestly only found out about the eye thing like two weeks ago, and ever since i've just noticed they've been missing really important stuff for no reason.

In that case, what are Ohma's wincons?

Higher AP + Higher LS combo which has ****** up Hank in the past, from what i'm seeing.

 

[Pyro9278]

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[MintyBoi1]

Bump

Which Ohma is this?

 

[XxZetsuxX]

Which Ohma is this?

I answered this..

 

[Pyro9278]

Which Ohma is this?

L7C Ohma

 

[Pyro9278]

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[Pyro9278]

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[Pyro9278]

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