Maki Zenin VS Ruby Rose (10-6-2) FINISHED

[LaserPrecision]

I think Maki stalking Ruby hardly matters at all. I don't imagine she will even lose Maki to begin with. Not to mention, even in a direct fight alone, Ruby has a massive scythe (obviously, lmfao) that will utterly slash away at Maki. So, close range is off the table.

That was already addressed earlier. Even the RWBY supporters think Ruby dies if she goes into close combat. Because Maki's SSK will cut through her scythe and then decapitate Ruby. Close range is horrible for Ruby. Especially due to Maki's analytical prediction.

Ruby can spam bullets, with even a single one landed decently screwing over Maki, a 2x weaker opponent. Also, the utterly insane acrobatics I remember her having in the anime. Just sheer agility and acrobatics, and their consistency, from Ruby would probably have Maki’s jaw open, lol.

I don't doubt her acrobatics are better, but Maki's are good too plus she can jump off of air which gives her practically infinite aerial mobility and acrobatics.

As for Analytical Prediction, I don't remember it being that impressive as, IIRC, she has only used it on Naoya as he was traveling in straight lines. So, despite the detailed description of her prediction and senses, the feats she has performed with it are honestly kind of simplistic and something I could even see Ruby take an advantage of to land a deadly strike pretty quickly.

Untrue. Naoya was turning a lot, and even resorted to sneak attacks through and around buildings when he thought she was incapable of avoiding to desperately try and tag Maki:

And that's ignoring her fights against Sukuna where she evaded and blocked many of his attacks to where he admitted she was better at predicting his attacks than other Sorcerers. Which includes Yuta whom was using Charles technique to see into the future to evade attacks. So he has a precedence of fighting through precogesque abilities through sheer skill and versatility. So Maki being markedly better is impressive.

 

[AigerTheKing]

Maki FRA

 

[Phoenks]

Close fight

 

[AigerTheKing]

Close fight

Indeed

 

[Mommyleona]

Geto, Riko, and her butler who was looking behind Gojo also has two functioning eyes and didn't see Toji going right up behind Gojo before turning Gojo into a shishkebab. She's not spotting Maki.

i dont really like that argument, since Toji was a basically a blitz tier above everyone here, not the case here, not to mention that Maki really isnt the type to just go away and suddenly plan sneak attacks herself, against an opponent who is more or less evenly matched against her at that

 

[NotoriouSoda]

Maki FRA

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Grace starts now

 

[Mommyleona]

predicting his attacks than other Sorcerers

Sukuna never said that, he only said that she's capable of perceiving/seeing his slashes better than others, like Mahoraga, not that she can predict better

 

[LaserPrecision]

i dont really like that argument, since Toji was a basically a blitz tier above everyone here, not the case here, not to mention that Maki really isnt the type to just go away and suddenly plan sneak attacks herself, against an opponent who is more or less evenly matched against her at that

But there's not evidence Toji ran behind Gojo rather than walked up behind him. Plus he's also not a blitz tier above Geto who was keeping up with him in combat. Geto's disadvantaged absolutely, yeah. But he's not a blitz tier slower.

She snuck attack Naoya who was beneath her level.

Also, the reason I said she plans a sneak attack to begin with is because the opposition is making the argument that Ruby will zone Maki and never even make an attempt to get closer. So the alternative is Maki keeps running at Ruby for hours straight until she gets exhausted and killed. Which makes far less sense than her going "Okay, the opponent is refusing to let me get close, I better sneak off and find the right opportunity to get close and kill her".

If Ruby didn't try to keep her distance for the entire battle as supporters say she would, then Maki wouldn't resort to stealth. She would just go for the kill immediately. But her opponent literally won't allow her to get in close, leaving Maki no choice.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Sukuna never said that, he only said that she's capable of perceiving/seeing his slashes better than others, like Mahoraga, not that she can predict better

That's on me. Read the werry translation which says she "reads" his technique better which implies prediction. But either way, the point still stands. You get what I'm saying.

 

[AthelChan]

Maki FRA

 

[LaserPrecision]

Maki FRA

Thank u for the vote :3c

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Thank u for the vote :3c

 

[LaserPrecision]

Aw, don wurry I'll give u one too.

Thanks for voting king ;3c

 

[Mommyleona]

But there's not evidence Toji ran behind Gojo rather than walked up behind him

Are you seriously claiming that Toji for some reason decided to casually walk up to Gojo, instead of using his speed to make a blow which he initially intended as a finishing one? And yes there is evidence, in manga we see how 1 panel he wasnt there, and other he already stabs Gojo, and with anime we can see clear fast movement when Toji attacks. Not to mention right after Gojo releases Infinity, which yet again proves he used his speed. Really baseless assumption to claim that Toji for some reason didnt use his speed.

Plus he's also not a blitz tier above Geto who was keeping up with him in combat.

That's keeping up for you? It also plays a factor that they were completely relaxed at the moment, not mid fight, so yeah Toji definitely blitzed everyone there.

She snuck attack Naoya who was beneath her level.

She beats down Naoya>he expands his domain>Naoya is confident Maki is dead>Maki gets Katana from the old guy(cant damage him otherwise lol)>Maki surprises Naoya with the fact that sure hit doesnt target her and stabs him
That's barely a sneak attack, NOWHERE near what you're proposing (ie Maki goes away and hides for hours or yet alone days to then assassinate Ruby)

So the alternative is Maki keeps running at Ruby for hours straight until she gets exhausted and killed

Yeah ik, but i still feel like Maki resorting to what you're saying is too unlikely imo

If Ruby didn't try to keep her distance for the entire battle as supporters say she would, then Maki wouldn't resort to stealth. She would just go for the kill immediately.

Well arguing that isnt possible since Maki would pretty much decapitate her in close fight

But her opponent literally won't allow her to get in close, leaving Maki no choice.

Rushing at her and using her precog is an option too

 

[Mommyleona]

Read the werry translation

bro

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Thank u for the vote :3c

broooo

 

[LaserPrecision]

Are you seriously claiming that Toji for some reason decided to casually walk up to Gojo, instead of using his speed to make a blow which he initially intended as a finishing one?

No, I was implying Toji was stealthily creeping up behind Gojo Metal Gear style.

And yes there is evidence, in manga we see how 1 panel he wasnt there, and other he already stabs Gojo, and with anime we can see clear fast movement when Toji attacks. Not to mention right after Gojo releases Infinity, which yet again proves he used his speed. Really baseless assumption to claim that Toji for some reason didnt use his speed.

Tbf the anime only shows him making a fast movement for the stab. Not how he approached behind Gojo. Tho either way I don't think that matters too much.

That's keeping up for you? It also plays a factor that they were completely relaxed at the moment, not mid fight, so yeah Toji definitely blitzed everyone there.

You left out context. Geto was caught off-guard by the Curse he was trying to tame rejecting him which caused him to recoil. Toji used the time he was recoiling to land that cut. You also left out the rest of the fight where Geto was keeping up with Toji's position and trying to land attack after attack which Toji was chopping up with Cursed Tools.

She beats down Naoya>he expands his domain>Naoya is confident Maki is dead>Maki gets Katana from the old guy(cant damage him otherwise lol)>Maki surprises Naoya with the fact that sure hit doesnt target her and stabs him
That's barely a sneak attack, NOWHERE near what you're proposing (ie Maki goes away and hides for hours or yet alone days to then assassinate Ruby)

You left out her breaking into the domain from behind him and stabbing him through the chest. It's not the same, but there are entirely different circumstances going on right now.

Yeah ik, but i still feel like Maki resorting to what you're saying is too unlikely imo

Rushing at her and using her precog is an option too

It's not an option though. You just acknowledged it isn't. Because the supporters for Ruby have argued most of the thread that she will keep her distance and never not even ONCE get close enough for Maki to use SSK. And will instead range spam from hundreds of meters or kilometers away in the air.

Maki resorting to sneaking up on her to gain the advantage isn't something out of character since she's struck when the moment was opportune multiple times in the series, and in this match, it's literally the ONLY way Maki can get close according to the opposing side.

What do you propose? Maki runs at Ruby for hours on end, and continues to do so until she dies even after seeing it clearly isn't working?

 

[LaserPrecision]

bro

Forgive me

broooo

wut, do u want one too

 

[Arkenis]

Maki resorting to sneaking up on her to gain the advantage isn't something out of character since she's struck when the moment was opportune multiple times in the series, and in this match, it's literally the ONLY way Maki can get close according to the opposing side.

Yeah right, Maki's not a one track mind character. She understands planning and knows how to combat certain combat styles. Literally will be the easiest thing for her.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

wut, do u want one too

I don't even know you like that, man. I probably don't

 

[LaserPrecision]

I don't even know you like that, man. I probably don't

LMAO. Hey, it doesn't mean anything. Like I said in another thread, it's a way to show happiness and friendship amongst mouse kind

 

[Mommyleona]

No, I was implying Toji was stealthily creeping up behind Gojo Metal Gear style.

Yeah in a box he sleeps in

Tbf the anime only shows him making a fast movement for the stab. Not how he approached behind Gojo.

i think that's kinda nitpicking atp

Geto was caught off-guard by the Curse he was trying to tame rejecting him which caused him to recoil.

its the fact that Toji made multiple slashes while Geto didnt move an inch

You also left out the rest of the fight where Geto was keeping up with Toji's position and trying to land attack after attack which Toji was chopping up with Cursed Tools.

It was casual Toji, and Geto never kept up in combat, he spammed curses/long range attacks, i mean cmon, even Gojo with six eyes considered Toji to be way too fast

You left out her breaking into the domain from behind him and stabbing him through the chest.

That's the same as

Maki surprises Naoya with the fact that sure hit doesnt target her and stabs him

You just acknowledged it isn't

not quite, i said i know people argued that, not that i agree Maki is incapable of ever catching up at all.

Maki resorting to sneaking up on her to gain the advantage isn't something out of character since she's struck when the moment was opportune multiple times in the series

Not assassinating tho, waiting for days, if that was Toji i'd have 0 issues

What do you propose? Maki runs at Ruby for hours on end, and continues to do so until she dies even after seeing it clearly isn't working?

Im not proposing anything, since im not voting yet, im just poking what i notably disagree with

(i dont even like this match up since Maki is SUPPOSED TO BE 7-C like all heavy hitters vro )

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

Yeah in a box he sleeps in

Implying Toji owns anything other than his weapons and the clothes on his back

 

[LaserPrecision]

its the fact that Toji made multiple slashes while Geto didnt move an inch

All of which he made while Geto was still recoiling from the fact the Curse rejected his technique. He didn't do this on an on-guard Geto ready for Toji to attack.

It was casual Toji, and Geto never kept up in combat, he spammed curses/long range attacks, i mean cmon, even Gojo with six eyes considered Toji to be way too fast

For Geto to even be able to launch Toji's general direction he would need to be able to keep up. Otherwise he would shoot a Curse at Toji, and Toji would've been behind Geto and decapitated him already.

not quite, i said i know people argued that, not that i agree Maki is incapable of ever catching up at all.

So you think Maki would be able to close the distance to initiate CQC? If so, that's fine. But most people in the thread will likely disagree with you on that.

Not assassinating tho, waiting for days, if that was Toji i'd have 0 issues

She doesn't need to wait that long. Only long enough for Ruby to drop her guard and when Maki can finally safely close in without risking Ruby getting away and then never dropping her guard again afterwards.

Im not proposing anything, since im not voting yet, im just poking what i notably disagree with

Proposing =/= Voting. I wasn't asking who you vote for or anything like that. But you cleared up most the confusion.

(i dont even like this match up since Maki is SUPPOSED TO BE 7-C like all heavy hitters vro )

She should be, yeah.

 

[Mommyleona]

All of which he made while Geto was still recoiling from the fact the Curse rejected his technique. He didn't do this on an on-guard Geto ready for Toji to attack.

I dont think recoiling means he wouldnt even be able to atleast try and block, or smth, anything

For Geto to even be able to launch Toji's general direction he would need to be able to keep up. Otherwise he would shoot a Curse at Toji, and Toji would've been behind Geto and decapitated him already.

So, do u think Teen Geto is relative to heavy hitters or

So you think Maki would be able to close the distance to initiate CQC? If so, that's fine.

I dont think, empty head (yes i think she could, getting out of the view, throwing things, etc)

She doesn't need to wait that long. Only long enough for Ruby to drop her guard and when Maki can finally safely close in without risking Ruby getting away and then never dropping her guard again afterwards.

oki

Proposing =/= Voting. I wasn't asking who you vote for or anything like that.

alright

 

[LaserPrecision]

I dont think recoiling means he wouldnt even be able to atleast try and block, or smth, anything

It's not hard to get a few attacks off when someone is recoiling from shock irl, let alone in fiction where landing several blows in quick succession on someone comparable is common. If Toji cut Geto who was on-guard like 50 unvoguntillion times before he can even perceive what happened, then yeah he'd be a blitz tier above him. But all he did was land a couple slashes on someone who was caught off-guard and shocked at the time.

So, do u think Teen Geto is relative to heavy hitters or

I think the Toji Geto and Gojo fought is weaker than the one Maki is equal to. Toji said he was rusty, and he wasn't in his physical prime (Like the Toji Oogami summoned was).

I dont think, empty head (yes i think she could, getting out of the view, throwing things, etc)

That was a reference to UI Goku against Moro, wasn't it? Tho you messed it up a lil

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

LMAO. Hey, it doesn't mean anything. Like I said in another thread, it's a way to show happiness and friendship amongst mouse kind

Sure gang.
I know you're a top tier goon, I just can't prove it

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

(i dont even like this match up since Maki is SUPPOSED TO BE 7-C like all heavy hitters vro )

She should be, yeah.

ATP, Maki=HHs ain't getting accepted for a long while....

 

[LaserPrecision]

Sure gang.
I know you're a top tier goon, I just can't prove it

Mean...

 

[Mommyleona]

If Toji cut Geto who was on-guard like 50 unvoguntillion times before he can even perceive what happened, then yeah he'd be a blitz tier above him

Y'know you dont have to be like, hundreds of times faster to be a blitz tier above, Maki could casually blitz her Dad when awakened, and i think Toji could've done the same if he wanted, but he didnt want to kill Geto.

think the Toji Geto and Gojo fought is weaker than the one Maki is equal to. Toji said he was rusty, and he wasn't in his physical prime

oh no bro
Alright lets just end it here

 

[LaserPrecision]

Y'know you dont have to be like, hundreds of times faster to be a blitz tier above, Maki could casually blitz her Dad when awakened, and i think Toji could've done the same if he wanted, but he didnt want to kill Geto.

Tbf, with the way Maki blitzed her dad, you prolly could calc her to be many many times faster IIRC. I don't think people should use blitz so often tho. It's like a buzzword atp. People can just say faster.

oh no bro
Alright lets just end it here

Darn

 

[Nonynho]

I mean, haven't seen proper argument for Ruby so imma vote Maki, FRA

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If you're talking about Maki, don't
JJK already has 4 CRTs going on right now, we DON'T need another one the staff won't look at

I am yes

I will wait, but i will make it when those are done.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You say this as if Ruby will be flying for days on end, as if stamina is not a huge concern, especially since the more she uses her semblance the more her aura will be expended, this has the effect of neutering her even more, as she needs aura to pretty much do anything related to her abilities.

She can do that yes. Ruby in this key can function for multiple days straight without sleep and has enough Aura restoratives to keep her semblance fueled for days. Or did you just ignore me bringing that up multiple times in this thread?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

So what is Ruby's wincon?

Playing the range game and spamming Dust bullets until one gets close enough to her to just oneshot her, most likely the Gravity Dust bullets as they have an AoE around the bullet as it is flying through the air, not jut when it impacts a surface, meaning even if the opponent dodges the bullet itself they still get hit

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ignoring the fact that is blatantly incorrect since Maki can simulate flight. Ruby would no longer be in the sky when Maki strikes. What part of waiting until she's off-guard and settled do you not understand? Am I conveying myself poorly? Am I not using good enough words? Why do you keep putting words in my mouth I never said.

Youre not conveying youself poorly, youre just wrong. Ruby would be in the sky, and would remain in the sky for as long as her opponent is alive, that is the entire argument and the entire reason this fight isnt a stomp in Maki's favor. Ruby would not be off guard until she confirms Maki is dead.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I prefer this argument, but the chance of Ruby tagging Maki meaningfully is close to none due to her bordering precog analytical prediction. At least not at the start rather. In a prolonged fight, sure. But Maki's resorting to stealth before that If Ruby's not even going to attempt trying close quarters.

Ruby has bypassed analytical prediction before in sparring matches with Yang as well as bypassing precog in sparring matches with Maria. That plus neither of those things mattering when Ruby's bullets have AoE enough to tag Maki even if she dodges the bullets themselves.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Youre not conveying youself poorly, youre just wrong. Ruby would be in the sky, and would remain in the sky for as long as her opponent is alive, that is the entire argument and the entire reason this fight isnt a stomp in Maki's favor. Ruby would not be off guard until she confirms Maki is dead.

Provide evidence that she would be on guard no matter how long her opponent was gone after vanishing. You keep saying she'll be suspicious Maki is around somehow at all times, but never show anything to establish that. If you have no proof, there's no point regurgitating the same point over and over, it's already been addressed. People can vote.

Ruby has bypassed analytical prediction before in sparring matches with Yang as well as bypassing precog in sparring matches with Maria. That plus neither of those things mattering when Ruby's bullets have AoE enough to tag Maki even if she dodges the bullets themselves.

As has Maki with Naoya who predicts up to 24 movements ahead of every decision he makes and had a speed advantage over her (And was able to evade more reliably than someone who could see into the future to evade attacks). Not to mention that won't matter much unless those people had the same analytical prediction as Maki.

Her Ap is absolutely allowing her to evade most of Ruby's attacks.

Also, instead of making 50 different replies every time you comment somewhere, post it all as one large message. Too much clutter to send everything independently.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Speed is equalized, Maki has great Analytical Prediction alongside amp'd / faster reactions. Additionally, a lot of Ruby's experience is in direct fights against monsters or people, not being stalked or having to deal with an assassin

Speed equalization doesnt negate speed amps, and Analytical Prediction doesnt help when Ruby also has it and has bypassed both AP and Precognition in fights before.

And once again, if you really want to subscribe to the flying keep away strategy, this means Ruby will constantly be expending her aura, her sole energy source for her shield, Semblance, durability and damage amps, and even stamina. She would be making it easier for Maki.

Ignoring the fact that Ruby has equipment that just constantly restores her Aura and carries enough of it to do so for multiple days straight