Maki Zenin VS Ruby Rose (10-6-2) FINISHED

[WeeklyBattles]

I mean, haven't seen proper argument for Ruby so imma vote Maki, FRA

Ruby having prior knowledge means she will stay out of Maki's range the entire fight with her semblance and spam ranged attacks. Even if Maki dodges the bullets Ruby has, they have AoE that will affect her if she isnt moving several meters away from the bullets, which wouldnt happen due to speed equalization. That coupled with Ruby having bypassed Analytical Prediction and having it herself, plus being able to amp her speed to blitz worthy levels and having equipment that can fuel her semblance for days on end means she has all the tools she needs to beat Maki, and all she needs is one bullet to get near her to win.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Provide evidence that she would be on guard no matter how long her opponent was gone after vanishing. You keep saying she'll be suspicious Maki is around somehow at all times, but never show anything to establish that. If you have no proof, there's no point regurgitating the same point over and over, it's already been addressed. People can vote.

As has Maki with Naoya who predicts up to 24 movements ahead of every decision he makes and had a speed advantage over her (And was able to evade more reliably than someone who could see into the future to evade attacks). Not to mention that won't matter much unless those people had the same analytical prediction as Maki.

Her Ap is absolutely allowing her to evade most of Ruby's attacks.

Unless she's moving several meters each time, which she wouldnt be able to due to speed equalization [moving several meters is combat speed, not reaction speed], she isnt dodging Ruby's bullets. Plus Ruby has Analytical Prediction of her own, and can curve the trajectory of her bullets if they miss their target.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Unless she's moving several meters each time, which she wouldnt be able to due to speed equalization [moving several meters is combat speed, not reaction speed], she isnt dodging Ruby's bullets. Plus Ruby has Analytical Prediction of her own, and can curve the trajectory of her bullets if they miss their target.

If speed is equalized the bullets should be moving at the same speed as Maki, no? The profile (Unless I missed it because it was a bit hard to read, so correct me if I'm wrong) isn't stated to have its own speed value from which she scales from. And frankly, seeing as Maki's Ap allowed her to evade attacks easily against someone who could ordinarily speedblitz her so bad to the point they could move hundreds (possibly thousands) of meters before she could move even a single meter makes me doubt she couldn't avoid these bullets with ease. And Maki, much like the bullets can also alter her trajectory mid-dodge by using the air as a surface.

 

[Spinoirr]

If speed is equalized the bullets should be moving at the same speed as Maki, no? The profile (Unless I missed it because it was a bit hard to read, so correct me if I'm wrong) isn't stated to have its own speed value from which she scales from. And frankly, seeing as Maki's Ap allowed her to evade attacks easily against someone who could ordinarily speedblitz her so bad to the point they could move hundreds (possibly thousands) of meters before she could move even a single meter makes me doubt she couldn't avoid these bullets with ease. And Maki, much like the bullets can also alter her trajectory mid-dodge by using the air as a surface.

Again Ruby's Semblance grants higher speed and a speed blitz amp

 

[LaserPrecision]

Again Ruby's Semblance grants higher speed and a speed blitz amp

I'm referring to the bullets, not the speed amp.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If speed is equalized the bullets should be moving at the same speed as Maki, no? The profile (Unless I missed it because it was a bit hard to read, so correct me if I'm wrong) isn't stated to have its own speed value from which she scales from.

Correct. The issue arises when Ruby has used her bullets, which travel the same velocity as normal bullets, to tag people who can move at Massively Hypersonic speeds. The projectiles themselves would be equalized to Maki's speed, but Ruby has tagged people much, much faster than Maki with those bullets before.

And frankly, seeing as Maki's Ap allowed her to evade attacks easily against someone who could ordinarily speedblitz her so bad to the point they could move hundreds (possibly thousands) of meters before she could move even a single meter makes me doubt she couldn't avoid these bullets with ease.

Ruby has AP as well, precise enough to know a person's entire fighting style and any weaknesses they have just by glancing at their weapon, and she is stated to be more skilled than Yang, whose AP is precise enough to read the fighting styles of two world class assassins fighting her in tandem to the point that she knew every move they would use on her even when they were attacking her from blind spots.

And Maki, much like the bullets can also alter her trajectory mid-dodge by using the air as a surface.

The problem is in order to fully dodge Ruby's bullets, Maki would need better combat speed, not just better reactions. Reactions would allow her to dodge the bullets by a matter of a few inches, she would need to be moving full meters away to avoid the AoE that Gravity Dust bullets have just by traveling through the air, which would be combat speed, not just reactions.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I'm referring to the bullets, not the speed amp.

Alternatively, since theyre in a building, Ruby could just massive speed advantage she has and just do this



And finish Maki off when she's pinned to the wall

 

[LaserPrecision]

Correct. The issue arises when Ruby has used her bullets, which travel the same velocity as normal bullets, to tag people who can move at Massively Hypersonic speeds. The projectiles themselves would be equalized to Maki's speed, but Ruby has tagged people much, much faster than Maki with those bullets before.

If the bullets are far slower than Ruby's combat speed, they wouldn't be equalized to Maki's speed. They'd be equalized to be much much much much much slower. Though tbh I have a feeling Ruby's bullets just scale to her or the people is shooting at have abysmal travel speed compared to their combat speed.

Ruby has AP as well, precise enough to know a person's entire fighting style and any weaknesses they have just by glancing at their weapon, and she is stated to be more skilled than Yang, whose AP is precise enough to read the fighting styles of two world class assassins fighting her in tandem to the point that she knew every move they would use on her even when they were attacking her from blind spots.

I mean that just seems more thorough in terms of understanding the opponent's moveset I suppose? In terms of what seems more useful, I'd say the one that can turn a massive speedblitz around is probably better. And blindspots don't matter for Maki since hers work based on sensing disturbances in the temperature and atmosphere around her, plus all of her senses have melded together (Taste, Touch, Smell, Sight, and Hearing have all become one for her), meaning she can see, taste, feel, etc. stuff all around her. Plus I already showcased her dodging two sneak-attacks made on her earlier on in the thread from the same person who has a speedblitz level advantage over her.

The problem is in order to fully dodge Ruby's bullets, Maki would need better combat speed, not just better reactions. Reactions would allow her to dodge the bullets by a matter of a few inches, she would need to be moving full meters away to avoid the AoE that Gravity Dust bullets have just by traveling through the air, which would be combat speed, not just reactions.

Okay? But Maki and Ruby's combat speeds are equalized. That's how speed equal works. Her speed is by default going to be fast enough to where she can easily avoid said attacks. And technically what you need is travel speed, not combat. Unless you meant short-burst movement, in which case, sure. If Ruby is going to range Maki out, she's going to have hundreds of meters to react to oncoming bullets. Bullets that according to you should be many times slower than her own combat speed due to vs wiki's speed equal rules (But again, I doubt they're actually much slower than Ruby and are just equal but eh).

Alternatively, since theyre in a building, Ruby could just massive speed advantage she has and just do this



And finish Maki off when she's pinned to the wall

I can barely tell what's going on in this clip ngl. Is this the supposed speed amp that was talked about throughout the thread? Cuz it really doesn't seem like a crazy speed amp. Literally everyone there is able to react to her speed. Unless that isn't and is just to showcase her using wind to push things or whatever. But I highly doubt Maki's going to just sit there and take it like the peeps in the clip. Especially when with that range, she could just cut Ruby with SSK. The wind follows behind Ruby, and SSK can cut things several meters ahead of her.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

If the bullets are far slower than Ruby's combat speed, they wouldn't be equalized to Maki's speed. They'd be equalized to be much much much much much slower. Though tbh I have a feeling Ruby's bullets just scale to her or the people is shooting at have abysmal travel speed compared to their combat speed.

Either way, Ruby has feats of tagging people much, much faster than Maki with bullets.

I mean that just seems more thorough in terms of understanding the opponent's moveset I suppose? In terms of what seems more useful, I'd say the one that can turn a massive speedblitz around is probably better. And blindspots don't matter for Maki since hers work based on sensing disturbances in the temperature and atmosphere around her, plus all of her senses have melded together (Taste, Touch, Smell, Sight, and Hearing have all become one for her), meaning she can see, taste, feel, etc. stuff all around her. Plus I already showcased her dodging two sneak-attacks made on her earlier on in the thread from the same person who has a speedblitz level advantage over her.

Yes, Im saying Ruby can do that too.

Okay? But Maki and Ruby's combat speeds are equalized. That's how speed equal works. Her speed is by default going to be fast enough to where she can easily avoid said attacks. And technically what you need is travel speed, not combat. Unless you meant short-burst movement, in which case, sure. If Ruby is going to range Maki out, she's going to have hundreds of meters to react to oncoming bullets. Bullets that according to you should be many times slower than her own combat speed due to vs wiki's speed equal rules (But again, I doubt they're actually much slower than Ruby and are just equal but eh).

No, it wouldnt. Like I said, Ruby is able to tag people comparable to herself in speed with her attacks in spite of them being at range and being fully capable of reacting to said bullets. And said Bullets have AoE just from travelling through the air on top of that.

I can barely tell what's going on in this clip ngl. Is this the supposed speed amp that was talked about throughout the thread? Cuz it really doesn't seem like a crazy speed amp. Literally everyone there is able to react to her speed. Unless that isn't and is just to showcase her using wind to push things or whatever. But I highly doubt Maki's going to just sit there and take it like the peeps in the clip. Especially when with that range, she could just cut Ruby with SSK. The wind follows behind Ruby, and SSK can cut things several meters ahead of her.

That is a lesser application of it from before she mastered it yes. For reference, Ruby in this clip is Hypersonic and the girl with the red hair has potential relativistic feats and she was unable to properly react to the attack. But yes, it was primarily a showcase of the wind attack. And Ruby in her semblance state instinctively dodges attacks, so Maki isnt hitting her if she can even perceive Ruby during this. As stted earlier, Ruby in her semblance state moves fast enough that people comparable to her normally are completelyunable to perceive her, and from her perspective they move in slow motion.

 

[Mommyleona]

About bullets so there's no confusion

"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc."

 

[Endou_God_Hand]

Ignoring the fact that Ruby has equipment that just constantly restores her Aura and carries enough of it to do so for multiple days straight

What equipment is this? She only has Dust Cartridges and Crescent Rose, she wasn't given any optional equipment.

 

[Mickey1940]

If Maki hits Ruby, Ruby gets 1 shot due to Soul Split Katana being able to bypass aura
If Ruby hits Maki, Maki also gets one shot because if you get hit with a scythe that tends to happen

Ascended Ruby scales significantly above 224 tons due to being superior to he entire team + jaune combined, who are individually stronger than Volume 4-5 Weiss, who ca summon and kill Queen Lancers
Maki scales significantly above 124 tons due to due to stomping Cursed Naoya

Both are comparable in skill since Ruby has arguably better training while Maki has Information Analysis

but Ruby is 2 times stronger, has significantly better LS, has sniper shots that she can, well, snipe Maki with and weave in between her close quarters combat, and her semblance is a blitz-level amp

Not to mention, Ruby getting hit with any of Maki's other weapons means her aura now works, meaning she can afford to take hits much easier. Maki's only real chance here is 1 shotting with Split-Soul Katana, but that's assuming she pulls it out before she gets sliced in half or shot in the head by Ruby

Ruby just needs to hit Maki a single time and Maki is dead cuz she gets done dirty like Gojo did. Maki needs to accomplish the same thing with Soul Split Katana, but she has much fewer natural advantages.

voting Ruby

 

[Endou_God_Hand]

If Maki hits Ruby, Ruby gets 1 shot due to Soul Split Katana being able to bypass aura
If Ruby hits Maki, Maki also gets one shot because if you get hit with a scythe that tends to happen

Ascended Ruby scales significantly above 224 tons due to being superior to he entire team + jaune combined, who are individually stronger than Volume 4-5 Weiss, who ca summon and kill Queen Lancers
Maki scales significantly above 124 tons due to due to stomping Cursed Naoya

Both are comparable in skill since Ruby has arguably better training while Maki has Information Analysis

but Ruby is 2 times stronger, has significantly better LS, has sniper shots that she can, well, snipe Maki with and weave in between her close quarters combat, and her semblance is a blitz-level amp

Not to mention, Ruby getting hit with any of Maki's other weapons means her aura now works, meaning she can afford to take hits much easier. Maki's only real chance here is 1 shotting with Split-Soul Katana, but that's assuming she pulls it out before she gets sliced in half or shot in the head by Ruby

Ruby just needs to hit Maki a single time and Maki is dead cuz she gets done dirty like Gojo did. Maki needs to accomplish the same thing with Soul Split Katana, but she has much fewer natural advantages.

voting Ruby

I don't think a 2x strength gap is going to be enough, and I also don't see any of the "Blitz-level" amping that her semblance does, anyways, i'm pretty sure this can be added now that grace is over?

 

[LaserPrecision]

No, it wouldnt. Like I said, Ruby is able to tag people comparable to herself in speed with her attacks in spite of them being at range and being fully capable of reacting to said bullets. And said Bullets have AoE just from travelling through the air on top of that.

Uh, why does this change if the bullets are equal to her speed. People can react to bullets equal to Ruby in speed if they are equal to Ruby in speed.

That is a lesser application of it from before she mastered it yes. For reference, Ruby in this clip is Hypersonic and the girl with the red hair has potential relativistic feats and she was unable to properly react to the attack. But yes, it was primarily a showcase of the wind attack. And Ruby in her semblance state instinctively dodges attacks, so Maki isnt hitting her if she can even perceive Ruby during this. As stted earlier, Ruby in her semblance state moves fast enough that people comparable to her normally are completely unable to perceive her, and from her perspective they move in slow motion.

Everyone in the clip reacted to the attack. I'm confused what you're referring to. Maybe someone in the background? Though I'm confused why you think Ruby needed prior knowledge of SSK if you think she will use a statue level speed amp and instinctively dodge any attack Maki throws. Unless it's ordinarily not in-character for her to use said speed amp?

 

[Mommyleona]

sign me up for incon

 

[Mickey1940]

I don't think a 2x strength gap is going to be enough, and I also don't see any of the "Blitz-level" amping that her semblance does, anyways, i'm pretty sure this can be added now that grace is over?

i mean it's still a bladed weapon big enough to cut you in half, and a x2 strength gap should be more than enough to slice through flesh and bone

if Maki gets hit and she doesn't block, I don't think her body can really take that hit without major injury

 

[WeeklyBattles]

What equipment is this? She only has Dust Cartridges and Crescent Rose, she wasn't given any optional equipment.

Her various Aura and Health restoratives plus the Revive Ring. Those are standard equipment for her, not optional

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I don't think a 2x strength gap is going to be enough, and I also don't see any of the "Blitz-level" amping that her semblance does, anyways, i'm pretty sure this can be added now that grace is over?

A 2x would bemore than enough considering Ruby uses a bladed weapon and piercing bullets.

If you dont think its a blitz level amp then you would have to make a CRT, because it is currently accepted as a blitz level amp and all of the feats she has are her blitzing people and seeing them in slow motion

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Unless it's ordinarily not in-character for her to use said speed amp?

On the contrary, she spams her speed in-character.

 

[Spinoirr]

On the contrary, she spams her speed in-character.

I mean I did show that in my Geist vs Ruby clip

She does spam her Semblance a lot

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Added this can be

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

this was a fun match.
Never expected it to be this close but was very fun

 

[Phoenks]

I added it. Nice thread everyone.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ruby was severely misrepresented by the maki arguers here but its not a huge issue, this will be removed soon

 

[Phoenks]

You can't just remove a match because you disagree with the voters dude.

This was a fair fight. Both characters had there own win conditions. People voted in favor of Maki pulling her win conditions off more times than Ruby. That's all it is.

If you make an attempt to remove this it'll just start an unnecessary argument. There's no basis to remove the thread.

 

[Endou_God_Hand]

Ruby was severely misrepresented by the maki arguers here but its not a huge issue, this will be removed soon

Like clockwork, was waiting for when you'd say this.

 

[Spinoirr]

You can't just remove a match because you disagree with the voters dude.

This was a fair fight. Both characters had there own win conditions. People voted in favor of Maki pulling her win conditions off more times than Ruby. That's all it is.

If you make an attempt to remove this it'll just start an unnecessary argument. There's no basis to remove the thread.

He means after Ruby's profile is updated

Because once her profile is updated the match can be removed as it'll be outdated

 

[AbaddonTheDisappointment]

He means after Ruby's profile is updated

Because once her profile is updated the match can be removed as it'll be outdated

TBF there's saying that and then there's saying it in a way that makes it sound like all the Maki arguers were arguing in bad faith.