• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.

(1v2) Mori Jin VS Ruby Rose & Weiss Schnee (9-0-0) FINISHED

Status
Not open for further replies.
I already have, please go back through the thread's arguments
where SPECIFICALLY her using it to turn someone into petals against their will. you argued that mori would just be deconstructed. has ruby EVER just turned someone into petals and left them like that, and if so, show me. point me to it please instead of saying "just read bro"
Yes, spamming her semblance is 100% in charatcer
i don't doubt this but it also isn't what i asked
i asked if it is in character for her to just deconstruct people offensively and leave them as molecules. and this kinda follows on from the first thing i asked. if you cannot show me or point me to a specific piece of evidence, why would anyone believe she can do it ANYWAY?
 


Surrounding someone with glyphs is clearly very telegraphed and the best part is that it doesn't even matter cause she LOST this fight.

This is Beacon Arc weiss, her glyphs got significantly faster after th timeskip
 
where SPECIFICALLY her using it to turn someone into petals against their will. you argued that mori would just be deconstructed. has ruby EVER just turned someone into petals and left them like that, and if so, show me. point me to it please instead of saying "just read bro"

i don't doubt this but it also isn't what i asked
i asked if it is in character for her to just deconstruct people offensively and leave them as molecules. and this kinda follows on from the first thing i asked. if you cannot show me or point me to a specific piece of evidence, why would anyone believe she can do it ANYWAY?
Oh no, thats not how it works, she cant leave things deconstructed, everything she deconstructs gets reconstructed after she deactivates her semblance, or she can reconstruct specific things while staying in her semblance state (firing bullets while in that state, or like the fight with harriet she reconstructed a restraint around Harriet's arms), but she cant just leave things deconstructed.
 
There isnt. There is no projectile and no tell that its coming,
That's why Mori will predict it instead of just seeing it come…
Weiss doesnt even need to look in the direction she wants the to appear in.
And yet she does in every single clip you sent. She straight up points in the direction where she's spawning them in majority if not all clips you've sent so far.
Unless he can dodge the entire battlefield, he isnt dodging Weiss' glyphs.
99% of the glyphs you've sent her using were like 1 meter in diameter lol.

And he can also just punch them, surround himself with a vortex that shatters them the moment they appear.
Does he have some form of telepathy thats not listed in this key? Otherwise no, he cannot.
"Fake skill fan meets real skill merchant for the first time in their life, their reaction will shock you"

Do you actually think predicting intentions is impossible to do without telepathy? Chess players must all be telepaths
You may want to rewatch them again, they take effect instantly.
Either you're using the word instantly in a hyperbolic way or your just wrong…
No, in this key she has that level of gravity.
No she has class M level gravity. That's what the profile says.
No, flash freezing she can, has, and does use frequently. Ice is 90% of her kit.
You didn't answer my primary question. Is it or is it not the ability that has literally never been used in a cutscene?
...Have you just not been watching any of the clips ive posted then? Because Ruby's semblance in this key blitzed a person with relativistic speed
1. No it didn't. Literally everyone in that clip percieved her coming and even managed to stand up before she got to them.
2. It was a non combat scene where she just hurled food at them, it's not like the person she was attacking was fighting with their all.
3. If she had relativistic speed in her semblance form it would/should be in her profile. Every other scene of her shows that it's not consistent because the speed increase is barely noticeable which I assume is why that isn't accepted.

Listen I can understand an ability not being 100% correctly indexed or left out but you're telling me that a character has thousands of times higher LS as well as speed than indexed and I am simply not buying that.
and in another clip kept up with a person fast enough to slow everyone to a crawl.
Where? Because all I remember is clips like the wolf/gorrila one where the semblance provided essentially 0 speed amps when you're saying she should have statued them.
Ruby in her semblance state has no mass, why would it be affected by air?
Air is made up of molecules (primarily hydrogen and nitrogen), just like Ruby and can move molecules. I already explained this before multiple times and so did others, idk why are you pretending to hear this for the first time…
She has done so before in-canon, she would have no difficulty doing so here.
Show?
No, in this key.
I am staring at the profile with my 2 eyeballs and I still see "class M" for this key, can you please direct me to where I should look?
Not properly, or at all in most cases.
You ignoring 5 different people explaining you the 500 reasons why Mori can interact with her doesn't mean ut wasn't explained properly or at all.

At this point we're literally just going in circles
 
I see a lot of new pages, a summary of the arguments for each side would be nice
Basically Mori has actual blitz amps and skill stomps since team ruby has nothing likely to immediately kill mori before he just adapts his fighting style to them and wins.

At least thats mostly what I got from this although i'm multi tasking rn
 
I see a lot of new pages, a summary of the arguments for each side would be nice
Honestly you might have to read the thread because there's very little both sides agreed on. But to put it shortly

Mori:
  • Far more skilled (martial arts, predictions, analysis, etc)
  • Better speed amps (contentious)
  • Can directly counter Ruby's semblance with air manip or straight up interact with her how he does with air (contentious)
  • Superior lifting strength to counter restrictions such as ice and gravity
  • Extremely hard to put down
  • Potentially one shot attacks once he gets past aura (acupuncture, 3SK, KoBD, etc)
The duo:
  • Wider moveset (elemental abilities, gravity abilities, multiple weapons, etc)
  • Better long range options (snipers, glyphs)
  • Aura can stop Mori from one shotting
  • Intangibility (contentious)
  • Better speed amps (contentious)
(I marked things that neither side could agree on as contentious)

I think that's about it but like I said, it's hard to give you an objective TLDR since there's so many different things being discussed, majority on which the 2 sides couldn't agree.
 
  • Can directly counter Ruby's semblance with air manip or straight up interact with her how he does with air (contentious)
Oh yeah forgot about this point that lead to this thread being made because of the whole elemental intangibility npi issue and stuff

Forgot, but how big are the vortexes Mori could create again?
 
Basically Mori has actual blitz amps and skill stomps since team ruby has nothing likely to immediately kill mori before he just adapts his fighting style to them and wins.
They do though. Weiss can insta trap him and immobilize him as well as instantly freeze him if he get within 5 meters of her
 
That's why Mori will predict it instead of just seeing it come…
Predict somthing you cannot predict? Gonna need scans that he can do that
And yet she does in every single clip you sent. She straight up points in the direction where she's spawning them in majority if not all clips you've sent so far.
She doesnt though. She has repeatedly spawned them behind herself, as well as spawned them outside of buildings and vehicles
99% of the glyphs you've sent her using were like 1 meter in diameter lol.
Cool? Not sure what that has to do with anything
And he can also just punch them, surround himself with a vortex that shatters them the moment they appear.
Why would he be able to do that exactly? They can block damage from people several times stronger than him.
"Fake skill fan meets real skill merchant for the first time in their life, their reaction will shock you"
Mon frere youre talking to a guy who compulsively catalogues skill feats complete with a spreadsheet logging where various characters from fiction rank.
Do you actually think predicting intentions is impossible to do without telepathy? Chess players must all be telepaths
Yes, because chess players arent moving the pieces with their minds
Either you're using the word instantly in a hyperbolic way or your just wrong…
I am using it 100% seriously, they appear instantaneously.
No she has class M level gravity. That's what the profile says.
And it is soon to be revised to Class G.
You didn't answer my primary question. Is it or is it not the ability that has literally never been used in a cutscene?
It has not been used in a cutscene. However, this is irrelevant, as it is an ability she uses constantly.
1. No it didn't. Literally everyone in that clip percieved her coming and even managed to stand up before she got to them.
No they didnt, they were explicitly unable to avoid it.
2. It was a non combat scene where she just hurled food at them, it's not like the person she was attacking was fighting with their all.
It as not a non combat scene, the entire scene was one long fight scene. Unless you consider hitting people hrd enough to shatter concrete pillars and punting them several miles into the sky with a makeshift hammer as 'non-combat'.
3. If she had relativistic speed in her semblance form it would/should be in her profile. Every other scene of her shows that it's not consistent because the speed increase is barely noticeable which I assume is why that isn't accepted.
It is in the process of being added
Listen I can understand an ability not being 100% correctly indexed or left out but you're telling me that a character has thousands of times higher LS as well as speed than indexed and I am simply not buying that.
I will be sure to ping you whe the ability is updated as i am telling you with 100% honesty that this is how it works.
Where? Because all I remember is clips like the wolf/gorrila one where the semblance provided essentially 0 speed amps when you're saying she should have statued them.
Then you are severely misunderstanding those scenes.
Air is made up of molecules (primarily hydrogen and nitrogen), just like Ruby and can move molecules. I already explained this before multiple times and so did others, idk why are you pretending to hear this for the first time…
Cool, she still has no mass
 
Yes, because chess players arent moving the pieces with their minds
dumb argument IMO
just because you do not need to perform a physical action (or whatever action cannot be seen) doesn't mean you cannot predict it lol
when you play online chess it appears as though the pieces are just being moved with your mind but saying "you can't make an educated guess as to their next move" would be silly, i'm sure you would agree
Cool, she still has no mass
how does an object with no mass as you say force a door open by charging into it
if she was intangible in a ghost-type beat the door wouldn't need to open.
it seems to have SOME kind of physical presence, hence mori's fuckoff huge on-demand 10m+ wind vortexes mog her
 
Last edited:
Mori can interact with darkness and spirit that literally have no mass so IDK why you using this argument
According to the other thread i made discussing NPI, darkness still has a slight amount of mass

And Ruby isnt a spirit, so him having that type of NPI wouldnt help him
 
dumb argument IMO
just because you do not need to perform a physical action (or whatever action cannot be seen) doesn't mean you cannot predict it lol
when you play online chess it appears as though the pieces are just being moved with your mind but saying "you can't make an educated guess as to their next move" would be silly, i'm sure you would agree
That only really applies when youre playing on even grounds and have a rough idea of what your opponent's move can be ahead of time. Mori has no idea what Weiss' abilities are nor does he know that she can just think and **** him up six way from sunday with her glyphs spontaneously appearing anywhere on the battlefield.
how does an object with no mass as you say force a door open by charging into it


Tell that to the writers.
if she was intangible in a ghost-type beat the door wouldn't need to open.
She isnt ghost-type intangible no.
it seems to have SOME kind of physical presence, hence mori's fuckoff huge on-demand 10m+ wind vortexes mog her
And she just pulls herself back together as she has shown to be able to do
 
According to the other thread i made discussing NPI, darkness still has a slight amount of mass

And Ruby isnt a spirit, so him having that type of NPI wouldnt help him
What? How does darkness somehow have a mass?
darkness is the absence of light phenomenon that takes up no space and has no physical properties like mass, darkness is literally nothing so why does they "still has a slight amount of mass"?
 
That only really applies when youre playing on even grounds and have a rough idea of what your opponent's move can be ahead of time. Mori has no idea what Weiss' abilities are nor does he know that she can just think and **** him up six way from sunday with her glyphs spontaneously appearing anywhere on the battlefield.
her glyphs from the scans i saw (i went back and read the thread) are again, dodgeable. sure she can make a fair few at once but he can and will just Get Out Of The Way.
he has a similar attack to her own AOE freezing by way of surrounding her in a tornado where she just keeps getting hit from all directions (yeah aura is a thing but as mentioned previously she just gets ragdolled because he's 2x stronger than her lol)


Tell that to the writers.

She isnt ghost-type intangible no.

then what is said just contradicts what is shown, and in that scenario you go with the latter. she can be interacted with, she still has physical presence, yada yada, already trodden ground.
And she just pulls herself back together as she has shown to be able to do
which is my entire point! if she gets annoying to deal with he says "shoo" and blasts her to kingdom come with big air vortexes to keep her away while he can focus down weiss! every time she uses petal burst she's opening herself up to just get dispersed far away by the strongest leaf blower this side of the planet

According to the other thread i made discussing NPI, darkness still has a slight amount of mass
also yeah as said above darkness is the literal ABSENCE of light, it is a specific lack of a substance given a name
how can literally NOTHING have mass?
 
Also Ruby not having mass doesn't mean she's immaterial. Protons don't have mass and yet they don't magically phase through solid objects. And she's not a wave particle either, the clip literally says she's reduced to molecules - and guess what? That's what air is made out of!
 
Also Ruby not having mass doesn't mean she's immaterial. Protons don't have mass and yet they don't magically phase through solid objects. And she's not a wave particle either, the clip literally says she's reduced to molecules - and guess what? That's what air is made out of!
wtf.gif

they definitely do but i otherwise agree with your point
 
Predict somthing you cannot predict? Gonna need scans that he can do that
No, predict something you absolutely very much can predict.
She doesnt though. She has repeatedly spawned them behind herself, as well as spawned them outside of buildings and vehicles
Yeah after pointing at something.
Cool? Not sure what that has to do with anything
Small glyphs = easy to dodge…?
Why would he be able to do that exactly? They can block damage from people several times stronger than him.
Pretty sure nothing in the profile says he glyphs scale above 40 or 120 tons.
Mon frere youre talking to a guy who compulsively catalogues skill feats complete with a spreadsheet logging where various characters from fiction rank.
And yet you aren't aware of predicting moves without a visual queue? I'm sorry but what? 😐
Yes, because chess players arent moving the pieces with their minds
I dare you to give a single reason why them moving pieces with their mind would make ANY difference in predicting their next move.

I swear if you can prove to me that chess players moving pieces with their mind would make their moves harder to predict I'll instantly switch sides and vote the duo. Hell I'll become a full time RWBY supporter for the rest of my life.
I am using it 100% seriously, they appear instantaneously.
Well then you're lying lmao
And it is soon to be revised to Class G.
Then you can remake the vs thread then 🤷‍♂️.
(tho it's not like it matters since Mori still just dodges)
It has not been used in a cutscene. However, this is irrelevant, as it is an ability she uses constantly.
If she never ever used it in a cutscene then she doesn't use it constantly lmao. YOU as a player use it constantly, that doesn't mean she does.

It also means we have no way of knowing how it actually works outside of pure gameplay mechanics and given how useful it seems in gameplay and still completely lacks in cutscene use, I'd say the difference is massive.
No they didnt, they were explicitly unable to avoid it.
Brother they were literally laying on the ground and stood up before she could get to them. She did not blitz shit.
It as not a non combat scene, the entire scene was one long fight scene. Unless you consider hitting people hrd enough to shatter concrete pillars and punting them several miles into the sky with a makeshift hammer as 'non-combat'.
She was throwing food at them 😭
It is in the process of being added
If it actually is that's hilarious because she blatantly didn't blitz shit there and all of the scenes you've shown blatantly prove there isn't a thousand times difference between her regular speed and her semblance.

So to me this just sounds like "we're in the process of trying to disingenuously wank them". Either way, not on the profile so idrc at this point.
Then you are severely misunderstanding those scenes.
I didn't. Her opponents were very clearly and obviously moving while she was in her semblance state.
Cool, she still has no mass
She turns into molecules, molecules have mass. She also lifts a gorilla and opens doors which requires mass.
Furthermore Mori can affect fire and shadows which also have no mass.

Honestly this is just sad at this point. You're clinging to this idea that he she can't be affected when several people gave you countless arguments and proofs that he can.
 
images

Thinking about making this fight with my Dragon Ball RWBY versions just for fun
 
"Darkness has mass" is hella funny. No idea where he got that from. Shadows and darkness are actually immaterial, unlike Ruby. I've told you this multiple times.

Just going to say btw, RWBY made a mistake with saying that breaking Ruby into molecules would "negate her mass" or make her have "no mass." That's nonsensical. Molecules have mass. You're made of molecules whether you're in a gas state or a solid state. The difference is density and particle viscosity. Even that's like atoms, protons, and neutrons have mass.

If Ruby was to break herself down into a molecular mist, she would still be made up of the same amount of matter and have the same amount of mass as she did before. She'd just be in a different state.

To me it seems like the writers at RWBY had no idea what they were talking about with her semblance lol.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top