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DEATH BATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 10, The more things change, the more they stay the same]

Updated LucarioRenamon, even Rikas looks slower tho their AP is at least close.

No one scales to T0 force? Maybe no need to update.

Leaving One Piece and CableBG to after talks if they need changes... If they get talked about that is lol
 
Ok so now that blade vs Buffy is out what’s the verdict? Iffy/Unrankable because it seems they used a lot of stuff that our profiles don’t have for Buffy nor do we have a comics key for Her either
 
DaReaperMan said:
Ruby vs Maka: Right, Good.

BY THE PROFILES WE HAVE(no names...) Maka stomps Ruby into the dirt via 2-C AP, and the only changes from current scaling for Ruby was that her feat got a higher Calc than we have. It's to the point where neither are missing anything from their PnA.

Right, Decent is also fine, they explicitly didn't use Fire Force here so that's several scaling points gone, but go with whatever makes ya happy.
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I'll be sure to fix this when I update the profiles. Ruby should win
 
I kept ignoring it, sorry.

Surprisingly, there is a key where Buffy is faster and stronger, but I dont think they used 'Twlight's Empowerment' thingie in DB?

Otherwise Id still rank it, there is a profile even if its missing novels. It depends do we use that one key in profile.
 
That sure is a video, but unless its in profiles its irrelevant.

Do you want to move MadaraAizen to Wrong, Bad? Havent checked profiles, maybe theyve changed.
 
TMaakkonen said:
That sure is a video, but unless its in profiles its irrelevant.
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The reason why only Quincies can have match ups on VS wiki, I'm not sure if Madara has the resistance to soul hax or spiritual durability to contend
 
TMaakkonen said:
I kept ignoring it, sorry.

Surprisingly, there is a key where Buffy is faster and stronger, but I dont think they used 'Twlight's Empowerment' thingie in DB?

Otherwise Id still rank it, there is a profile even if its missing novels. It depends do we use that one key in profile.
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I don’t think we do? We’ve been ranking these kinds of situations as iffy/unrankable
 
TMaakkonen said:
Thanos vs Darkseid | Reason: Though in equal speed, we have Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet beating Godhead Darkseid. Wrong, Decent
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Both Infinity Gauntlet Thanos & Godhead Darkseid are 1-A according to profiles, but Thanos would need to travel to Darkseid's home universe to actually interact with Godhead Darkseid, and travelling outside his own universe causes Thanos to lose the Infinity Gauntlet amps, leaving him stuck at 1-C VS 1-A Darkseid. So this should be a Darkseid W and Right, Decent unless they retconned how the Infinity Gauntlet worked.
TMaakkonen said:
Felicia vs Taokaka | Reason: Felicia could one shot here since Taokaka's only "Possibly Planet level", but even without it, Infinite speed, so uh, that's quite big blitz in not that big AP gap. Right, Good
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The infinite speed argument on Tao's profile is so bad 😭😭 But looking at profiles, all of Tao's speed feats come from ChronoPhantasma or Central Fiction, neither of which existed in 2011 when the episode come out. And with this in mind, Felicia takes basically every other category that's listed. So at least ATT it'd be Wrong, Decent at best since none of Tao's higher speed feats existed at that point, and she's also weaker, has worse stamina, and is much less intelligent than Felicia, but the CP & CF stuff would definitely give her enough to win nowadays. I'd say Right, Decent since Tao only wins with the power of retroactive hindsight.

TMaakkonen said:
Ragna vs Sol: I can't say much here but considering GG is getting nerfed and nerfed I guess, UPD: Yeah GG got nerfed enough for Ragna to win. Wrong, Bad
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Again, according to profiles, Ragna only wins here with Central Fiction material, which didn't exist at the time the episode came out. Based on profiles (4-C pre-Strive Sol VS 5-A Chrono Phantasma era Ragna), Sol should comfortably win ATT, and Ragna's profile even mentions at the bottom that True BlazBlue Ragna (his only 1-C key that doesn't involve him dying) shouldn't be used since he's unlikely to fight or even have full consciousness while in that key, so Sol should probably still win even now. Right, Bad though, since this episode has that research in it.
TMaakkonen said:
Scrooge McDuck vs Shovel Knight | Reason: Based Scrooge W. But apparently it is wrong considering there wasn't reboot DuckTales ATT. Wrong, Decent
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Scrooge was composited in this episode, and 1987 Scrooge is 7-A while Shovel Knight is 8-C. Both profiles probably need revising eventually, but since Scrooge was composited, this should probably be Right, Decent.
TMaakkonen said:
Steven Universe vs Star Butterfly | Reason: Star is Uni, but apparently her physicals don't scale to it atm so Steven blitz and one shot. Wrong, Decent
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Star's profile seems to have been deleted now, rendering this as Unrankable.
 
Crashandcortexs said:
Both Infinity Gauntlet Thanos & Godhead Darkseid are 1-A according to profiles, but Thanos would need to travel to Darkseid's home universe to actually interact with Godhead Darkseid, and travelling outside his own universe causes Thanos to lose the Infinity Gauntlet amps, leaving him stuck at 1-C VS 1-A Darkseid. So this should be a Darkseid W and Right, Decent unless they retconned how the Infinity Gauntlet worked.
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616 (the universe the Gauntlet operates in) is 1-A in extension, which is why the Gauntlet has 1-A range.
 
Crashandcortexs said:
Both Infinity Gauntlet Thanos & Godhead Darkseid are 1-A according to profiles, but Thanos would need to travel to Darkseid's home universe to actually interact with Godhead Darkseid, and travelling outside his own universe causes Thanos to lose the Infinity Gauntlet amps, leaving him stuck at 1-C VS 1-A Darkseid. So this should be a Darkseid W and Right, Decent unless they retconned how the Infinity Gauntlet worked.

The infinite speed argument on Tao's profile is so bad 😭😭 But looking at profiles, all of Tao's speed feats come from ChronoPhantasma or Central Fiction, neither of which existed in 2011 when the episode come out. And with this in mind, Felicia takes basically every other category that's listed. So at least ATT it'd be Wrong, Decent at best since none of Tao's higher speed feats existed at that point, and she's also weaker, has worse stamina, and is much less intelligent than Felicia, but the CP & CF stuff would definitely give her enough to win nowadays. I'd say Right, Decent since Tao only wins with the power of retroactive hindsight.


Again, according to profiles, Ragna only wins here with Central Fiction material, which didn't exist at the time the episode came out. Based on profiles (4-C pre-Strive Sol VS 5-A Chrono Phantasma era Ragna), Sol should comfortably win ATT, and Ragna's profile even mentions at the bottom that True BlazBlue Ragna (his only 1-C key that doesn't involve him dying) shouldn't be used since he's unlikely to fight or even have full consciousness while in that key, so Sol should probably still win even now. Right, Bad though, since this episode has that research in it.

Scrooge was composited in this episode, and 1987 Scrooge is 7-A while Shovel Knight is 8-C. Both profiles probably need revising eventually, but since Scrooge was composited, this should probably be Right, Decent.

Star's profile seems to have been deleted now, rendering this as Unrankable.
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No
 
Tao should have the advantage in intelligence as despite Average intelligence she has gifted Combat intelligence while Felicia is only above Average
Tao also has a massive speed advantage being FTL vs Felicia’s supersonic(This existed since 2009 CT)

Also the AP difference is not that big as it’s High Town Level+ Vs Small City Level and I’m not sure which of the 8 different Ankaris Calcs that we have accepted but I think the AP comparison is only 1.8x?

Other than that only advantage she has is lifting strength and she isn’t exactly a grappler anyway.

We also have a complete matchup here using Tao’s First key and speed equalized and Tao won that via better versatility with it unequal Tao blitzes
 
The whole Infinity Gauntlet thing not working feels like such a cop out. We are evaluating them with the profiles we have here and we should be looking at Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet here not base thanos.
 
ThanosDarkseid is funky.

Does equal battlefield meaning True Darkseid destroys everything from start and Thanos is ******? (Havent checked do profiles allow him to survive)

Or if not, does it mean that despite 1-A/Outer ranges True Darkseid still exists in another realm where IG wont work, even with 1-A range?

Also can someone else help us with RagnaSolTao stuff lol
 
TMaakkonen said:
ThanosDarkseid is funky.

Does equal battlefield meaning True Darkseid destroys everything from start and Thanos is ******? (Havent checked do profiles allow him to survive)

Or if not, does it mean that despite 1-A/Outer ranges True Darkseid still exists in another realm where IG wont work, even with 1-A range?

Also can someone else help us with RagnaSolTao stuff lol
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I gave my reasons on why Tao wins even ATT

Ragna vs Sol is just a hax fest that feels like a Mobius strip
 
Ehh sure whatever changing FeliTao ig.

Id like to say anyone else to join this convo but clearly no one else is interested :V
 
Abysswalker2126 said:
Tao should have the advantage in intelligence as despite Average intelligence she has gifted Combat intelligence while Felicia is only above Average
Tao also has a massive speed advantage being FTL vs Felicia’s supersonic(This existed since 2009 CT)
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It would be nice if this "FTL CT feat" was on Tao's profile, since right now, everything speed-related on it comes from CP or CF, which can't be used for an ATT verdict. Izayoi and Nine didn't exist in 2011, and she didn't "keep up" with Hazama in CS so much as conveniently stumble into where he was enacting his plans. Unless we mean in a fight, but Hazama pulverized her so badly in her own story mode she had to be rescued by Jubei and had a revelation she was too weak afterwards...

If Tao's profile gets that FTL CT feat added, then I can buy this more, but as the profiles stand right now, she only wins with stuff from CP & CF. I actually had a look at the FTL ranking pre-CF on her profile, and saw it was goofy "keeps up with Arakune, who keeps up with Tager, who keeps up with Tsubaki... as Izayoi" chain scaling that wouldn't be applicable to the episode since Izayoi, again, didn't exist in 2011.

The intelligence debate is kind of interesting - Tao has better combat intelligence than Felicia due to Jubei's genes, but is also way more easily distracted. I think the latter matters a bit more than you're giving credit, but can buy Tao taking battle intelligence and experience regardless.
Abysswalker2126 said:
The whole Infinity Gauntlet thing not working feels like such a cop out. We are evaluating them with the profiles we have here and we should be looking at Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet here not base thanos.
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The problem here is that to even interact with Godhead Darkseid, Thanos has to travel to his home dimension. Travelling to Darkseid's home dimension stops him from being able to use the Infinity Gauntlet powers since it's outside 616. Thanos winning by profiles would only matter if he could beat Godhead without the Gauntlet, which according to profiles, he doesn't. If you just look at their profiles and ignore the Gauntlet only working in its own universe, then yeah Thanos would win, but I think there should probably be a note explaining that if so since whether or not the Infinity Gauntlet works is kind of important!
 
Crashandcortexs said:
It would be nice if this "FTL CT feat" was on Tao's profile, since right now, everything speed-related on it comes from CP or CF, which can't be used for an ATT verdict. Izayoi and Nine didn't exist in 2011, and she didn't "keep up" with Hazama in CS so much as conveniently stumble into where he was enacting his plans. Unless we mean in a fight, but Hazama pulverized her so badly in her own story mode she had to be rescued by Jubei and had a revelation she was too weak afterwards...

If Tao's profile gets that FTL CT feat added, then I can buy this more, but as the profiles stand right now, she only wins with stuff from CP & CF. I actually had a look at the FTL ranking pre-CF on her profile, and saw it was goofy "keeps up with Arakune, who keeps up with Tager, who keeps up with Tsubaki... as Izayoi" chain scaling that wouldn't be applicable to the episode since Izayoi, again, didn't exist in 2011.

The intelligence debate is kind of interesting - Tao has better combat intelligence than Felicia due to Jubei's genes, but is also way more easily distracted. I think the latter matters a bit more than you're giving credit, but can buy Tao taking battle intelligence and experience regardless.

The problem here is that to even interact with Godhead Darkseid, Thanos has to travel to his home dimension. Travelling to Darkseid's home dimension stops him from being able to use the Infinity Gauntlet powers since it's outside 616. Thanos winning by profiles would only matter if he could beat Godhead without the Gauntlet, which according to profiles, he doesn't. If you just look at their profiles and ignore the Gauntlet only working in its own universe, then yeah Thanos would win, but I think there should probably be a note explaining that if so since whether or not the Infinity Gauntlet works is kind of important!
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WDYM Izayoi didn’t exist? Tsubaki Yayoi and her Sealed Armament: Izayoi is in Continuum Shift which released in 2009!
 
Abysswalker2126 said:
WDYM Izayoi didn’t exist? Tsubaki Yayoi and her Sealed Armament: Izayoi is in Continuum Shift which released in 2009!
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Is there any evidence Sealed Armament version of Izayoi puts Tsubaki at FTL?? I went through Tsubaki's entire story in CS, as well as Tager's due to it being where the FTL claim in her profile is sourced from (despite the quote not saying anything about combat or travel speed, just that it inhales light like a black hole), & all I found across both was Tager making a vague off-hand comment about Tsubaki being fast, and Kokonoe explaining how the light Izayoi absorbs can be burned like a cayalyst to boost her strength (on her profile), but nothing about actually using said light to attack with or for her travel speed. Just that it passively sucks in light faster than the light can move, which doesn't actually put Tsubaki herself physically at that speed. Both Kokonoe and the CF Library don't even mention it buffing speed as a matter of fact.

There's so little in CS to suggest Tsubaki at that time would be at that level that I assumed what was listed in Tao's profile had to have been something from the Type: Zero Izayoi form in CP (where the character is called Izayoi). Apologies about the confusion there!

... I'm realizing I'm looking far too deeply into background stuff for an ATT verdict for Felicia VS Taokaka of all MUs.
 
TMaakkonen said:
Does it change verdict tho?
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DIO ******* mauls him now physically, so the only thing up for debate is if Alucard is able to get his mind manip or TK off....which I don't see happening given the speed difference (~8 million x faster).
 
The kof counterparts of Terry, Mai and Geese (lesser degree then other two), have huge buffs to them, the latest kof title for Mai episode kof13 in 2010, meanwhile Death Battle had that fight in early days

Although i dont remember if they included kof on the first two or not precisely, but if they did...well they are tier 2 as of right now

For Geese, as of right now, he scales above in AP by like hundreds of times, along speed by like a x1.21 in difference against base Heihachi, but loses to full power by a huge margin that is one shot blitz

On top of not being as haxed in comparison or having ways around Heihachi stuff at all:

-ki attacks can be nulled by him and even utilize it for dura neg like Kazuya to harm organs

-has better electricity in combarison and do what Geese can and more, on top of resisting his

-has fire manip too and can resist his too along heat resistance as well

-can null physical blows and use vibrations to make Geese lose balance, launch him airborn from the ground either standing or laid down

Depending how you wanna see skill and experience, Heihachi has 32 years ahead of Geese in age and fought ki projectile users like Akuma, Heihachi fought individuals versed in more styles or characters who beaten these, Jin, Ogre, etc

All of this is based on info available at the time of the episode also
 
Let there be some discussion before making a call in case some details need to be ironed out, but it's hard to be generous to this one. Dante vs Clive had a lot of dubious and underexplained headcanoning how the former's stamina works & for some reason essentially took the opposite approach of Kratos vs Asura's assertion of reactive evolution being countered by arsenal variety and means of pressing an initial stat advantage via a much higher scaling chain (that they pretty much forgot about later in their own analysis). It also strongly emphasized the assertion that Clive had more means of using time manipulation even though the opposite is true (Quicksilver plus Bangle of time plus Chrono Heart plus SDT passive iirc). There is potential for there for FF16 to have some underappreciated info to work with, although its supporters suggest that this isn't the case. And in any case, Dante simply wasn't well-represented in the abilities & stamina departments, even excluding the more esoteric stuff.

EDIT: Iirc they also considered both's ice manipulation to be on the same level even though only Dante has Absolute Zero & definitely has better resistance to it. Again, maybe Clive does actually win (probably through cross-FF scaling if so), but the INTERNAL logic in this episode was lame.
 
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