Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread

[Dust_Collector]

Thank God you said that, for a bit I thought you deadass put Girahim above Demise and Ganon w/ the ToP

Ghirahim lowkey stronger than the golden goddesses tbh

 

[Lgamer099_99]

I don't get what you all are fighting over.

I am not a huge fan of botw/totk "Lore" choices (gameplay is fun tho), but the scaling is pretty clear I think?

It's true that Zelda from Botw was below Calamity Canon, but then, it's true that Zelda got more access to her own power in totk, so I don't get the "fight".

Maybe AoC Zelda showcased more? But the scaling is in favor of Totk Zelda.

There isn't much to discuss about.

Only thing I would complain about is that well, Calamity Ganon causes blood moons as well, so I don't why they scale for Ganondorf but not for Ganon? The guidebook as well stated that Ganon was the one making it.
I think I already asked this, but I would like to know the reason behind this choice.
Do we threat that as an outlier for some reason?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

I don't get what you all are fighting over.

I am not a huge fan of botw/totk "Lore" choices (gameplay is fun tho), but the scaling is pretty clear I think?

It's true that Zelda from Botw was below Calamity Canon, but then, it's true that Zelda got more access to her own power in totk, so I don't get the "fight".

Maybe AoC Zelda showcased more? But the scaling is in favor of Totk Zelda.

There isn't much to discuss about.

Only thing I would complain about is that well, Calamity Ganon causes blood moons as well, so I don't why they scale for Ganondorf but not for Ganon? The guidebook as well stated that Ganon was the one making it.
I think I already asked this, but I would like to know the reason behind this choice.
Do we threat that as an outlier for some reason?

Blood Moons are a phenomenon in real life that also makes the Moon appear closer. Ganondorf's feat makes the Moon so close it's physically impossible for it to be the one in real life.

 

[Chariot190]

Thank God you said that, for a bit I thought you deadass put Girahim above Demise and Ganon w/ the ToP

If you ever catch me doing that, end me.

I don't get what you all are fighting over.

Debate forum. You say stuff that is, well in this it's literally wrong idk what bro is talking about he' s legit just stating factually incorrect info like how the light dragon MS was used to kill Calamity Ganon, which literally didn't happen, it's bound to cause an argument.

I am not a huge fan of botw/totk "Lore" choices (gameplay is fun tho), but the scaling is pretty clear I think?

the light dragon is cool tho
Tbh I think a lot of the changes were needed, they don't really conflate with past games like some people would have you believe, and it enables them to create a solid concise pocket that can do its own thing while still being part of the overall saga.

It's true that Zelda from Botw was below Calamity Canon, but then, it's true that Zelda got more access to her own power in totk, so I don't get the "fight".

Tbh I don't think that's even true, they were moreso equals, and when tapping into her power, she outright one shot it.

Maybe AoC Zelda showcased more? But the scaling is in favor of Totk Zelda.

AoC > BotW Zelda.
But TotK Zelda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> literally both so far it isn't even funny.

There isn't much to discuss about.

Only thing I would complain about is that well, Calamity Ganon causes blood moons as well, so I don't why they scale for Ganondorf but not for Ganon?

Because they used to, untill they didn't. We USED to have him at I think 5-A actually? It's been a long while. It's a case of retroactive information. We now know that it was moreso Ganondorf himself and his actual magic causing them, not inherently Calamity Ganon itself. The feat basically just changed hands.

The guidebook as well stated that Ganon was the one making it.

As above.

I think I already asked this, but I would like to know the reason behind this choice.
Do we threat that as an outlier for some reason?

Moreso as said, case of new info, you could call it a retcon ig even.
it would be an outlier tho, they're harmed by attacks within nuke lv range as a plot point, the fact that outlier bit is highkey rectified via Ganondorf himself tho is nice.

 

[Dust_Collector]

But when are we making Ganondorf Low 2-C for having infinite darkness that absorbs time?

 

[Chariot190]

But when are we making Ganondorf Low 2-C for having infinite darkness that absorbs time?

THAT'S THE NOCTURNE OF SHADOW NOT GANONDORF

 

[Dust_Collector]

Ganon upscales from the song bozo, because his darkness is like wayyy better because it's purple.

 

[Chariot190]

Ganon upscales from the song bozo, because his darkness is like wayyy better because it's purple.

That's the same color as Vaati...

 

[Dust_Collector]

That's the same color as Vaati...

 

[Lgamer099_99]

That's the same color as Vaati...

Time to calc the wind palace feat and obtain a high end small country level result for my boy.

 

[Chariot190]

Time to calc the wind palace feat and obtain a high end small country level result for my boy.

From FSA? I'm pretty sure it's like 7-C, but I also kind of wanna do it because it's like the only real sustaining feat in the existence of mankind, they're super explicit.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Tbh I think a lot of the changes were needed, they don't really conflate with past games like some people would have you believe, and it enables them to create a solid concise pocket that can do its own thing while still being part of the overall saga.

I am just a fan of old school Zelda lore.
I miss the triforce and genuinely I would have loved some SS and OOT strong references for totk.
It is what it is tho, I just think it makes the lore potentially less interesting to me. I hope we will get a 3D Zelda that follows the classic lore, better dungeons (less in quantity but better in quality than shrines), some annoying mechanics (weapons breaking) being removed, but yk I still think they should put some botw saga elements, the abilities (stasis etc), the exploration (even if less wide than botw) etc.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

From FSA? I'm pretty sure it's like 7-C, but I also kind of wanna do it because it's like the only real sustaining feat in the existence of mankind, they're super explicit.

Yeah that one, it's confirmed it is sustained by Vaati's magical power.

 

[Chariot190]

I am just a fan of old school Zelda lore.

Tbh I don't really get this, it's still all just Zelda, it's not really any different from the downfall timeline or the adult timeline or even the FS games clearly being their own pocket with their own lore, vibes, and aesthetic. Zelda has already had "pockets" of varying genres idk what youd call it, as part of the greater saga.

The old school lore, is still the new school lore they're one in the same, it's just further ahead in the timeline, no different than how WW took place after OOT or Minish Cap was doing whatever tf it was doing. Maybe I jut look at this different given I've lived through basically every release but this is legit ong like the 12th time this exact thing has happened, it's always been like this.

I miss the triforce and genuinely I would have loved some SS and OOT strong references for totk.

TOTK is basically entirely a SS reference tho
We still do have the Triforce in TOTK, it's just Zelda has as a whole and her learning to tap into it and whatnot is part of the plot, they're just coy about it being that in the actual game, kind of like how in EoW they call it "The Prime" or whatever even tho it's just tf.

It is what it is tho, I just think it makes the lore potentially less interesting to me. I hope we will get a 3D Zelda that follows the classic lore, better dungeons (less in quantity but better in quality than shrines),

We just got EoW so idk. The next game probably gonna be new entirely or a gaiden if I had to guess.

some annoying mechanics (weapons breaking) being removed,

Nah this was based, it def needed to be a thing for the gameplay loop, without it the game simoply wouldn't work, and it also creates tension and planning.

What they SHOULD do though, is add a way for you to fix the damn things on your own if you want, as well as a bit of a dura buff, like breaking works, but they do kind of break a lil TO fast if ya get what I mean.

but yk I still think they should put some botw saga elements, the abilities (stasis etc), the exploration (even if less wide than botw) etc.

We're clearly looking at 3 different genres of "Zelda" here, that being dungeon style, 2D and open-world. We'll probably get another filler game like warriors or EoW before the next big one though.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

And why's that matter? Your claim is that Ganon scales, upscales even, the full triforce even, a mere ritual for an arbitrary power boost(?) is not proof of your claims of consolidating its full essence to add to his own.

Holy shit you're really trying to downplay this, huh? What part of "he needs the Triforce for a ritual to become Ganon" don't you understand? It's not some tiny power boost. You were the one trying to downplay the ritual aspect by saying unrelated shit like "Erm witchcraft is fake".

I asked you to prove a thing, you said nuh uh you prove it, then turned around and acting as if I said anything at all. If you actually are not capable of following your own conversation, actually stop replying it's tiresome.

I actually just showed how hypocritical you're being. Wants me to "prove" basic shit about games you've repeatedly played but avoids giving any proof of anything he's claiming like the amped Master Sword being >>>>>>>>> its BotW self, TotK Zelda scaling remotely to Ganondorf, Secret Stones scaling remotely to Ganondorf, or really just anything in general.

Every point you have would also apply to whether or not she can use it at peak capacity too. It's not a selective thing, especially when you have to prove she used it all to begin with.

Dear god you actually believed that.

Are you for real? Nobody cares about a single piece, you keep claiming they scale to the ENTIRE THING. I want proof, actual statements, straight up not debatable scans saying yeah they 100% scale to the whole thing. You know damn well that's what this conversation is about, don't try to backpedal to things nobody asked about.
Buuut.....

Also yeah Lana is def not using ToP at full capacity, especially given when Ganon gets it right after he explicitly gets roided out. Which makes sense, given Lana doesn't have power as her main virtue, while Ganon does.
Second one you screwed up the link dude, but Link also has the ToC no?
Third one is literally nothing, the king of hyrule guards keys to the sacred realm too, the great deku tree guards the spiritual stone, temple bosses guard various things, whatever, you get it, don't mean they know how to use it, like is Rauru or Impa using the full triforce or [REDACTED] is in the shadow temple?
In fact, her job is to guard it, not use or exploit it, why would she be capable?
Also thinking on it, isn't she a deity? Deity's aren't allowed to use the full triforce's power last I checked, which is why Hylia had to reincarnate as a mortal.
And no, if you EVER have to preface your claim with a "maybe", I don't want to hear it.
And the Phantom Ganon one just kind of disingenuous, you kind of forgot to mention it was 4v1 against him and they spirit bombed him to weaken him, and that Link had the Triforce of Courage on him too? He also has a piece? Yet you're trying to frame it like it's base Link and he just boxed him or some shit when it isn't.

I said they scale to the Triforce. I didn't specify every single character in the game scales to the full Triforce.

Tf is this argument? Main virtues only matter for if the Triforce piece chooses you, not if you can use its powers. It seems like you just want Lana to be retroactively not using it because that would put Ganondorf stronger than it... which would be all the more reason for Lana to use it.
I did not, and the Triforce of Courage barely affects physicals and he can fight just the same without it.
I didn't say she guards it. I also didn't say she used it.
I didn't forget to mention that. "A Master Swordless Link, Zelda, and the Wind Waker reps together". And that was to weaken him, they can still individually hurt him. An ordinary WW Phantom Ganon can already fight a Triforce of Courage Link, and he wasn't being solely powered by the Triforce of Power as I mentioned (Being a Phantom Ganon + Giant Boss status + Cia's power +Triforce of Power).

Yes, because he actively says he not only took its full power and made it his, but he even ANALYZED it, and that it isn't enough and he wants more? Hell Null has more reason to scale to the thing then 99% of everyone, that's how hammered in it gets.
Please for the love of god stop arguing things if you haven't actually played the game.

I'm gonna have to call major cap on this, considering I've beaten the game from start to finish. He has more evidence of "he literally just wasn't using it" than Lana was, considering he was killed by Building level monsters.

Yep, stop using gameplay too if it's contradicted by the actual scripted cutscenes.
I really didn't think I had to explain this, but, the game literally shows us him using the Master Sword, both before and after, they say he used the Master Sword, and ngl hate to break it to you but arguing that Ganon is hurt by start of game weaponry is the last thing you want to do, because you'd know what that means right? It means whatever power boosts you think they're getting, are actually so miniscule that they amount to basically nothing. And even worse means your whole weapon yap is also wrong because things magnitudes weaker than them, can apparently harm them just fine (doesn't he still have all that in cutscene afterward anyway?).

I never said Link didn't use the Master Sword on Ganondorf. I said he can hurt Full Triforce Ganon even without it, and with it he's way stronger.

The thing with dialogue, script, cutscenes and an A>B>C route (for the most part) with yap and lore, is not a loose canon. It's what we like to call in the gaming industry as a "it's story mode".

Erm that's Legend Mode.

I mean I really don't gotta do a thing, it's you who needs to prove it, and you're not doing a very good job at it. Can you tell you right no if you were to try to get that shit past in a CRT it wouldn't fly, it'd be rejected and might even risk making a discussion rule for i.

Hyrule Warriors Link is already 3-A.

Because it's LITERALLY wiki rules? HW isn't special, Kirby has to do it (that shit got nuked because of it too, awhile ago even so this isn't news), FF has to do it, Fire Emblem has to do it, Mario has to do it (that shit got nuked because of it too, recently even), Metroid has to do it (that shit got nuked because of it too, recently even), things like Dragon Ball has to do it even (mostly in heroes), goddamn ZELDA has to do it, this EXACT situation for main canon Ganon literally had to be proven otherwise his ass was going to be downgraded.

So why in the world do you think you get special treatment? When no other verse does, and if they do it's outdated it should be downgraded so don't try to pull some sort of "this 15 year old profile says-", let alone the fact we literally have the exact same situation where a different Ganon had to get a statement showing he absorbed the full thing's power to get 3-A.

So that is why, and honest, even if this wasn't literally required, I'd argue it anyway, why do you want to vibe scale? Our goal is to index things as they are, that we can prove, not guesswork. Actually let me put it this way, if you make a claim on a profile, and you can't add a citation to it from the source material stating that claim, don't put it on the profile.

What scenario are you even referring to here? People having the Triforce? Also Metroid got downgraded again??

Uh.
That's actually not true, only ONE Ganon has ever had a triforce piece, and he actually IS stated to?
You talking like there's 20 Ganons who had a triforce piece and we scale them all automatically, we don't, or at least, we wouldn't if it wasn't literally the SAME dude.

Depends on the game that he was stated to have its full power in.

A better example would be Zelda, who multiple have the ToW, and guess what we don't do? Scale them all automatically just because of it. Same with Link, don't you find it odd how MM Link explicitly retained his piece, but isn't like low 5-B or something? Or how TP Link has it from the get go but his ass starts out at 8-C? Or godforbid the case study that is BOTW Zelda who has the whole triforce but explicitly has no idea how to use it or tap into it 99% of the time.

Your example is bad, and for examples that would actually work, we don't do that very thig you claim.

That's actually a great way of explaining it, though those Triforce pieces have no real inherent bearing on AP, BotW isn't canon, and I find it to be a MAJOR cap that she actually has the full Triforce.

You post scans or you stop arguing. This is a very simple concept, if you make a claim, you back it up when asked. If you can not prove that point, you drop it. Like goddamn you want me to post some scans, just say the word, might take like a day of digging but everything I've said is mentioned somewhere, though at the same time most of what I said isn't exactly hidden, I pray you don't actually need a link to something such as the final boss of EoW where bro just flatout yaps exactly what I said.

And yes, for 99.99% of them it doesn't, so they either don't scale (most zeldas, a few Link's), or they scale via other means (OOT Link scales to Ganon directly, same with TP Link, etc), or do have a statement of some sort (Ganon, Albw Link thinking on it, etc). We never just auto assume.

I've pointed out your complete lack of posting scans multiple times now, what are you waiting for?

I don't think my blood pressure has ever spiked beyond120/80 in this thread, tbh it might have even dropped at point out of sheer tiredness.

I would prefer it if your responses reflected that.

Dear God, you actually don't know what magnitude means. Especially in the mathematical or qualitive sense.

Chariot when someone talks figuratively:

Which is what amounts to a 6x increase, at best, using nothing but gameplay numbers. You didn't even like that route and explicitly said that WASN'T what your point was.
Meaning, there must be some sort of secret lore that says they're magnitudes stronger, as such, I want that scan, you've tripled down on it, so post it.

Why tf would it mean that at all? What you said was right, but it wasn't the only thing I was talking about?

Blitz her. Turn into Link and shred her apart. Facetank everything she can do while they gank her. Poison her. Fry her to death (both via heat and electricity mind you). Freeze her solid. All of the above at the same time, etc.
Like don't be fooled, at absolute best they scale to the same value (Triforce pieces), when talking of their peaks, EoW just happens to have way more shit going on and several abilities HW Zelda lacks an answer to or sufficient resistance toward. Being generous it's def not an easy fight, but not being a complete stomp doesn't mean it ain't what it is.

I'd argue things like Lv4 Darknut aren't something she's just oneshotting given the context around them or the lore behind the funny energy system but, idk smack her with a stick really hard?

Yeah, far be it for HW Zelda to have to... fight Darknuts. Oh wait.

Dude, technically speaking EoW upscales. She and HW Zelda are equal at best, and then Link mode upscales her, ergo.

Combined EoW Character gets stomped by HW Zelda, much less just EOW's Zelda.

EoW Zelda is faster chat, she's well into rel. HW Zelda, actually what does she even scale to? That game lacks anything exploitable like Beamos or actual light attacks? Thinking on it, don't they get memed on by lightning attacks? something eow zelda is way faster than too...

So is HW Zelda. She should actually be FTL via keeping up with Full Triforce Ganon, but I mean, this is the state of Hyrule Warriors profiles.

Then why are you LYING? Because if you know what happened and are saying shit that is straight up wrong, like actually wrong, not interpretation, not "it could be this", straight up not up for debate, factually incorrect information you're spouting. If you're doubling down on the fact you actually know what happened, that means you're lying. And if you're deliberately lying that is grounds for a ban. Really don't know why you didn't just admit you screwed up there instead of saying things that can only mean deliberate falsehoods are being spoken, but whatever that's on you.

You are welcome to prove that something else happened, but I've played the game and I know what I saw.

No, I didn't, how could I? It's blatant and anyone ever who's played it would know that happened.

The problem here is that you're saying they did half the health to the Ganon that the 10k MS fought, which literally isn't true. And you've now doubled down saying you apparently know what actually happened, so stop lying because now that you doubled down on being knowledgeable, is the only thing you have left to be doing.

...What? Oh, I see the confusion. I call Calamity Ganon "Ganon" since there's no Ganon in TotK and Ganondorf... well, Ganondorf. I meant Calamity Ganon was the one the Divine Beasts shot at.

These were in response to the MS at the start of TOTK being SHATTERED by Ganon. This was used as evidence to say that TOTK mummy Ganon > Calamity Ganon/AoC Ganon.

As such in response you decided to go on about DLC, and how that was lost.
And your reason for it being lost... Is the VERY FEAT THAT PROVES YOUR CLAIMS WRONG which you used to argue HIM BREAKING IT WASN'T AS HIGH.

Jesus christ dude, are you actually fr? Like stop trolling, I can't actually believe you're not doing this on purpose.

So yeah dude, I do remember, and it's also why you're wrong to begin with, thanks for proving your own argument wrong, explaining why Ganondorf at his weakest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BOTW DLC MS.
And why the MS that is >>>>>>>>>>>>>. that Ganondorf, is by proxy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that MS, and thus the things that MS scales to.

I was talking about how little Zelda affected the Master Sword with her amps, and without its DLC buffs it's actually nerfed from its BotW self.

You just admitted it was by confirming that mummy Ganon obliterated the version that stomps and scales to the things you've been gassing up in a single casual hit.

What? TotK stuff oneshotting BotW stuff is what I've been arguing against this whole time.

If it isn't "very strong", that just means comparatively what you've been backing is pathetically weak.

Or the amp was.

You did given you keep saying the Ganon that that 10K MS was used on, well guess which Ganon that is?
Rhetorical, it's Ganondorf from TOTK, not Calamity Ganon.

When tf did I say it was used on Calamity Ganon? If I did, it was a typo.

Why do you think this is a reply? Why do you think we don't already got leaks?

Because I've never seen leaks for it?

Not if a billion direct statements say otherwise. So give the proof.

I'd like to know these "billion statements" exist first.

Bro, you know Malice is effectively diluted Gloom right? Read the Masterworks, weren't you told to go read that a few weeks ago before arguing BOTW/TOTK again so you'd be up to date?

I don't remember being your servant.

If you actually can't remember your own posts stop replying to me.
"Well, TotK Zelda loses to Calamity Ganon. She spent 10,100 years making the Master Sword (which contributed to only half Calamity Ganon’s death) barely any stronger at all and even with a Secret Stone she couldn’t match the guy who can be killed by that Master Sword even by swallowing it." - You.

This is you, YOU said that. And you said it in response to me calling out your wack scaling because you said
"AoC Zelda is strong enough to shitstomp Calamity Ganon, which is stronger than most characters in the BotWverse including TotK Zelda."

So let me get this straight, you say TOTK Zelda is weaker than AoC, because of Calamity Ganon. You say Calamity Ganon is stronger than Totk Zelda. You say, in detail, that TotK loses to Calamity Ganon, and in the same thought, proceed to clarify why, that being she spent 10k years empowering the MS, and the MS only did half of Calamity Ganon's health, which, you're wrong like actually stop arguing at this point, followed by doubling down and saying with the stone she couldn't match the dude who ALSO has a stone fyi, who can be killed by the Master Sword that can kill the dude.

And you think I'm buying this backpedal?

Oh, I see the confusion. "the guy who can be killed by that Master Sword" is Ganondorf. She's weaker than Calamity Ganon because she could barely add anything to the Master Sword's power, which itself wasn't enough for Calamity Ganon.

Not going by the the ten billion statements.
Also "tiny amp", that is multiple one shots? How's that tiny?

Is there a genuine statement that says the Master Sword is by far Link's strongest weapon?

Yeah and you can also kill Majora as Deku Link. I can write you an actual 500 word post using NOTHING but direct statements as to why that will never be accepted, because it's wrong, like not even just wrong, I'd rather scale Saibaman to Beerus lvs of wrong.
Do us both a favor and actually READ what the game says instead of assuming you can legitimately kill Ganondorf with a branch you picked off the ground. There's so much yap in TOTK that even just reading 1% of the game's transcript would get you about a dozen statements.

I have played the game, and many of these statements are vague. Also the branch would break long before running out his HP.

Honestly I think we're at the point of just compiling a report for you. You're either trolling deliberately, which must be the case, given you doubled down in this very post about playing the games and knowing exactly what happened so you can't just say you forgot or were misinformed now, which means blatant deliberate misinfo. Or you keep arguing things you have no idea on, say you do and thus lying about it, and then start pointless thread clutter because you feel the need to argue out of ignorance instead of just double checking first.

Either way.

"Sorry sweaty, you have the wrong opinions, while us, we have the right ones"

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Maybe I jut look at this different given I've lived through basically every release but this is legit ong like the 12th time this exact thing has happened, it's always been like this.

I get what you mean with this, and yes every game had their own "close boxe", like Minish cap mentioning the hero of the men or WW introduction isn't that far from "Calamity Ganon 10,000 years ago was sealed by princess, hero and the beasts", so I get what you mean with this, but I still receive an actual different vibe, a bit less "Holy" theme? And I look for that. It's also a bit more "science fantasy" which is cool to some extent, but I miss some "pure fantasy" vibe in it.

What they SHOULD do though, is add a way for you to fix the damn things on your own if you want, as well as a bit of a dura buff, like breaking works, but they do kind of break a lil TO fast if ya get what I mean.

This is indeed a cool way to fix it, and I'd be super fine with it.

We'll probably get another filler game like warriors or EoW before the next big one though.

I bet on a remake.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

Master Sword with her amps, and without its DLC buffs it's actually nerfed from its BotW self.

BTW the dlc botw stuff it's mainly mechanics. It just let you have the full power of the sword all the time and not only when u find "evil". The sword against mummy Ganondorf was 100% at its peak, and ofc years of restored divine energy boosted the sword significantly. About HW I can't say a single word, I didn't play one minute of it.

 

[Dust_Collector]

but avoids giving any proof of anything he's claiming like the amped Master Sword being >>>>>>>>> its BotW self, TotK Zelda scaling remotely to Ganondorf, Secret Stones scaling remotely to Ganondorf, or really just anything in general.

You are welcome to prove that something else happened, but I've played the game and I know what I saw.

Oh, I see the confusion. "the guy who can be killed by that Master Sword" is Ganondorf. She's weaker than Calamity Ganon because she could barely add anything to the Master Sword's power, which itself wasn't enough for Calamity Ganon.

I have played the game, and many of these statements are vague. Also the branch would break long before running out his HP.

It's genuinely absurd how much you struggle with a game written for 5 year olds. Like there's no nice way of saying this, at this point it'd be better if you admitted to just making things up for the sake of trolling since the alternative is that my lil' cousin playing with his hot wheels in the other room can grasp basic narratives far better than you can.

 

[Dust_Collector]

What they SHOULD do though, is add a way for you to fix the damn things on your own if you want, as well as a bit of a dura buff, like breaking works, but they do kind of break a lil TO fast if ya get what I mean.

This is indeed a cool way to fix it, and I'd be super fine with it.

I think a repair mechcanic from games like Morrowind and Oblivion could work really well with the system. Tweaked to be more balanced since in those games there may as well not be a durability system with how easy and effective repairs are but maybe something like having enough materials and going to a forge to get it fixed up would be cool. Maybe stronger weapons might need an ingame day or two which would still incentive using other weapons in the meantime.

 

[Omegabronic]

Why do the Oracles in the Oracle games have the same name as the 3 Godesses?

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Why do the Oracles in the Oracle games have the same name as the 3 Godesses?

Because they were named after them.

 

[Chariot190]

Holy shit you're really trying to downplay this, huh? What part of "he needs the Triforce for a ritual to become Ganon" don't you understand? It's not some tiny power boost.

And I'm telling you to prove it isn't.
How big is it? Is it all of the power? Downplay it? It's what you can prove it to be, nothing more, nothing less, call it what you want but that won't change a thing.

You were the one trying to downplay the ritual aspect by saying unrelated shit like "Erm witchcraft is fake".

Real quick chat, who brought up irl witchcraft and tried to use that as a point?

I actually just showed how hypocritical you're being.

Your ignorance is not my concern and never will be.

Wants me to "prove" basic shit about games you've repeatedly played but avoids giving any proof of anything he's claiming like the amped Master Sword being >>>>>>>>> its BotW self,

The Great Deku tree makes it a point that the longer it has to absorb holy power, the stronger it will get proportionally, this scan has been posted in chat before.
In BOTW it had merely 100 years to do so.
In TOTK it had millennia.
This Master Sword was one shot shattered by Ganon, who even says that it was nothing of note.
The amped Master Sword literally kills him and can easily deflect attacks that broke it's prior state.

Actually, there's a statement in BOTW that says the current MS is also stronger than it was 100 years ago, I think the SMT goon posted a mp4 of it in italian but hey if it works, it works, I'll grab that.
Stop being obtuse, stop being obnoxious, and stop being deliberately ignorant.

TotK Zelda scaling remotely to Ganondorf,

Fought him, obviously doesn't scale 1:1, but she isn't being one shot and that's already enough to make her upscale anything in BOTW.

Secret Stones scaling remotely to Ganondorf,

They literally say they do like a dozen times and they even fight him while amped, fend off his phantoms, and even straight up block an attack meant to substantially harm Link, in cutscene no less.

or really just anything in general.

I didn't think you needed to be spoonfed scans you've been given a dozen times before.

Dear god you actually believed that.

You said it, not me, maybe don't contradict your own stance. To be blunt, I don't believe anything you say, but if you want to use points as an argument, how about don't say points you don't want to be taken at face value? Like am I just supposed to assume everything you say is a joke or not serious despite you arguing it? If that's what you want I'll happily oblige.

I said they scale to the Triforce. I didn't specify every single character in the game scales to the full Triforce.

Do you not know what the Triforce is? Also lmao, lol, rofl even.
You have, dozens of times, multiple times in the past day, you've even gone on record saying Tingle does.
I don't think I need to tell you this, but you know people can READ right? Your posts don't magically cease existing once they scroll off screen, people can just go back to check what you said, and lo and behold, multiple times, you made the claim they scale to the full triforce, and are 3-A because of it.
To be exact, the VERY CHARACTERS you just used in your examples there, have been who you've been arguing not just scale, but upscale even, the entire thing.

Do not backpedal because you can't prove a thing.

Tf is this argument? Main virtues only matter for if the Triforce piece chooses you, not if you can use its powers.

Imagine I posted the frug meme where he looks toward he camera.

It seems like you just want Lana to be retroactively not using it because that would put Ganondorf stronger than it... which would be all the more reason for Lana to use it.

Lana doesn't have a say here, you need to prove she was amped by it. You need to prove she had the ability to do so to its maximum efficiency. And you then would need to explain why Ganndorf being stronger, than the thing that made HIM drastically stronger, DIRECTLY proving either your argument straight up wrong as he can't be stronger than the thing that gave him power far beyond the state you're saying is stronger than that very thing, or the game is so utterly inconsistent and contradictory that scaling it is effectively impossible and it should go the way of some particularly bad comic profiles.

Either or, neither end with what you're claiming.

I did not, and the Triforce of Courage barely affects physicals and he can fight just the same without it.

This is objectively incorrect as we learn in numerous games such as EoW, ALBW, and more.

I didn't say she guards it.

So you had even less of a point than I thought? Why the self-sabotage?

I also didn't say she used it.

I know you didn't, which is why I'm wondering why you even said anything to begin with.

I didn't forget to mention that. "A Master Swordless Link, Zelda, and the Wind Waker reps together".

Yet you framed it as if it enables scaling.

And that was to weaken him, they can still individually hurt him.

Yes, it was to weaken him, so they can fight him, literally the whole point? Are you not reading the text boxes mid-mission?

An ordinary WW Phantom Ganon can already fight a Triforce of Courage Link, and he wasn't being solely powered by the Triforce of Power as I mentioned (Being a Phantom Ganon + Giant Boss status + Cia's power +Triforce of Power).

Being a phantom Ganon means nothing on its own, they vary.
Giant boss status literally means nothing, it just means he's a boss.
Cia's power? Ok cool, and? Cia by herself doesn't particularly scale to anything of note, in fact you're basically arguing she's fodder given a bunch of characters can mog something far stronger than she is with her power included.
ToP. Yep ok and Link had the ToC, and even then they had to spirit bomb him, so what's your point here?

I'm gonna have to call major cap on this, considering I've beaten the game from start to finish.

You have to actually read the text too chief to understand what's going on.

He has more evidence of "he literally just wasn't using it" than Lana was,

I want you to to repeat to me these lines, what happens as they're said, and explain why in detail Lana somehow has more evidence as to having understood how to use it to amp themselves properly.

This is rhetorical, don't do that, just take it in and comprehend how absurd your claims are.

considering he was killed by Building level monsters.

Hey real quick, proof on this? I'd like you to show me a cap statement or feat for them. Because pretty sure we have multiple feats calculated into tier 7, and even things like the funny frog can generate weather conditions, so even at worst you're looking at tier 7. But that also isn't actually true, as Link is who canonically deals major damage blows to it like cutting his limbs off.

I never said Link didn't use the Master Sword on Ganondorf. I said he can hurt Full Triforce Ganon even without it, and with it he's way stronger.

There is zero canonical proof he used anything but the MS.
The MS is made as a plot point to be used on him.
The cutscenes show only the MS being used on him.
You're arguing that basic start of the game stuff can drastically harm Ganon, which is a bad thing because it would mean they got barely stronger and all these boosts you keep describing are negligible at best,
And even then the cutscene lacks those damage telling us it didn't even happen regardless.

Like you're legitimately using the same exact logic you use to say Ganondorf gets defeat by a stick or Null gets killed by an octorock, to say "uhm actually everything scales, the things that actually scale just scale better fr".

So no, he isn't, that's what he used, that's what can be proven, stop conflating gameplay that is contradicted 1 second later with canon.

Erm that's Legend Mode.

Oh my bad, I didn't realize you were trying to use non-canon freeplay, I figured you were actually arguing the stuff that matters, my bad for giving you benefit of the doubt I guess

Hyrule Warriors Link is already 3-A.

Remind me to make a downgrade in a month.

What scenario are you even referring to here? People having the Triforce? Also Metroid got downgraded again??

EVERY scenario, ever, for EVERY verse. You prove a character makes use of something to a certain degree or they simply do not get it. End of, it's the rules.
And yes people having the Triforce, follow your own conversation please.

Depends on the game that he was stated to have its full power in.

Ocarina of Time, so literally every game he has it in applies.

That's actually a great way of explaining it, though those Triforce pieces have no real inherent bearing on AP,

They do explicitly, it's been a plot point in multiple games ffs. Hell even as far back as Zelda 1, ToW had AP facets and could compete with ToP.
But cool, so you agree you need actual proof they scale, so don't waste both of our time and prove it, or drop it.

BotW isn't canon,

Eiji Aonuma, series producer: “Well of course it’s at the very end [of the timeline]. (laughs)" — actual quote.

and I find it to be a MAJOR cap that she actually has the full Triforce.

That's cool, your stance on it doesn't change it tho.

I've pointed out your complete lack of posting scans multiple times now, what are you waiting for?

Which one lil buddy? Most of them you were told directly when they happened, or have been shown the scan before, like do you really need to be linked to "Final Boss Cutscene 3" for the 5th time?

I would prefer it if your responses reflected that.

Calling out absurdity doesn't reflect one's emotional state, if anything take a hint.

Chariot when someone talks figuratively:

Not gonna fly, you were given that benefit yet actively shot down that route, said it is in fact magnitudes, is what a magnitude is, and doubled down on it even further.

Stop backpedaling.

Why tf would it mean that at all? What you said was right, but it wasn't the only thing I was talking about?

Then you're wrong, it's one or the other, it can't be both.

Ok real quick. Give me a speed value for her. Give me her values for fire, ice, and electricity resistance. Show me her poison res. Also while you're at given this is now required, show me that proof of full triforce power because otherwise at best she gets ToW scaling at most, which they both get so there's no real advantage there in stats.

Yeah, far be it for HW Zelda to have to... fight Darknuts. Oh wait.

Lv4 > Lv1 I fear, isn't that how you weapon scale too anyway

Combined EoW character gets stomped by HW Zelda, much less just EOW's Zelda.

How is HW Zelda defeating any of the still slop?
And just saying they get stomped means nothing to me, the best HW Zelda gets is ToW scaling, end of, anything past that you need concrete proof that also isn't self contradictory.

So is HW Zelda. She should actually be FTL via keeping up with Full Triforce Ganon, but I mean, this is the state of Hyrule Warriors profiles.

Ok where is HW's FTL feat? Because if you're going by Beamos', she'd be about 3 slower than EoW Zelda as the beamos' beams in HW are, while not hitscan, do move far quicker, like 3m a frame.

You are welcome to prove that something else happened, but I've played the game and I know what I saw.

Right now show me the 10K MS being used on Calamity Ganon, screw the rest of this conversation, PROVE THAT.

...What? Oh, I see the confusion. I call Calamity Ganon "Ganon" since there's no Ganon in TotK and Ganondorf... well, Ganondorf. I meant Calamity Ganon was the one the Divine Beasts shot at.

You're not slick, and your backpedaling still doesn't work because you didn't even backpedal on the thing that's actually wrong.

You said the empowered Master Sword was used to kill half of Calamity Ganon's HP bar whom the other half was taken out by the Divine Beast's lasers.

There is absolutely no confusion here you said this like ten times, so where in the hell is the empowered Master Sword, the sword Zelda explicitly spent 10000+ years empowering, in your own words, being used against the Ganon that was struck and had half his HP depleted?

I was talking about how little Zelda affected the Master Sword with her amps,

Did Ganondorf not instantly, casually, shatter it into pieces and call it pathetic?
Did it not make him tweak out and killed him while also deflecting gloom attacks after being empowered?
If the answer to these is yes, you need to stop talking and drop it.

and without its DLC buffs it's actually nerfed from its BotW self.

They literally say it's stronger you can't be serious.
The very DLC buffed sword was literally one shot.

I actually don't understand how you lost the plot this badly.

What? TotK stuff oneshotting BotW stuff is what I've been arguing against this whole time.

Stop arguing, you're wrong, are going to stay wrong, and the fact you're even arguing this is so bafflingly asinine that I'm now inquiring getting you a topic ban because holy shit this is actual trolling.

Or the amp was.

Unfortunately, it's the former.

When tf did I say it was used on Calamity Ganon? If I did, it was a typo.

About 5 times actually, and when called out on it, you doubled down.
And no, it wasn't a typo, given your sentence premise centered around that as the subject matter. You can't typo an entire sentence topic.

Because I've never seen leaks for it?

Good for you. Do not argue from ignorance.

I'd like to know these "billion statements" exist first.

I like you to too, kind of screwed up you don't ngl.
But what about uh.....
Here's one of like ten billion that is just dropped in story that shuts down half your arguments
マスターソードは聖なる力を満たし続けることで より強靭な剣として再生します
The Master Sword, by continually being filled with holy power, will be reborn as an even more tenacious blade.
たしかに... 再生と強化が可能なのであれば 魔王に対する切り札になりえるかもしれない...
Indeed... if restoration and strengthening are possible, it might serve as a trump card against the Demon King...
しかし 魔王に対抗できるほどの力をもたせるには 長い長い時間が必要でしょう
However, to endow it with enough power to oppose the Demon King will require a very, very long time.
それほど途方もない間 聖なる力で満たし続けるなど 一体どうやって...
For such an unimaginably long time, to keep it filled with holy power—how on earth would that be done...?

As just one of many, I pick this one out in particular tho because it also straight up says that the reborn MS would be even more, as in, greater than it was, より強靭 that bit right there in fact, is the comparative, and more resilient and stronger. Ergo, wow TOTK MS>BOTW MS, absolute shocker they say that straight up a bunch of times.

I don't remember being your servant.

And I don't want you to be even if you offered. All the same, you fr?
"Hey bro you keep saying factually incorrect stuff, constantly, and even said you have no idea what Masterworks is, well, here it is, so go read as to stop talking out of pure unfiltered ignorance"
"Nuh uh".

Ok then stop arguing? You're not just wrong, you're willingly wrong at this point.

Oh, I see the confusion. "the guy who can be killed by that Master Sword" is Ganondorf. She's weaker than Calamity Ganon because she could barely add anything to the Master Sword's power, which itself wasn't enough for Calamity Ganon.

Stop backpedaling, everyone knows what you said, stop trying to cover your blatant gaps in knowledge with "uh shit I meant-", and then somehow still be wrong. You were very explicit in what you claimed and moreover said it multiple times after the issue was pointed out. You don't get to backpedal now, you just look worse for doing so.

Regardless, are you actually incapable of following the plot?
Ganondorf was killed by a Master Sword that has a dozen statements of juice = more power.
She became immortal to juice it up.
They say it would take literal AGES to juice it up to even contend with him.
They also say it would eclipse the prior blade, which was straight up called pathetic.

She's stronger than Calamity Ganon given she
1. Fights things stronger than it
2. Can tank hits from things incomparably stronger than it
3. Literally stalemated Calamity Ganon for 100 years before one shotting it with her magic
4. The Master Sword WAS enough for Calamity Ganon, yet wasn't enough for Ganondorf even remotely, and only after being empowered was it strong enough.
5. The two Master Swords aren't even the same thing functionally, be like saying Goku beat Cell with SSJ1, so Golden Freeza is weaker than 100% Freeza because SSJ1 or something, while ignoring the blatant caveat.
6. She is literally stated to be drastically stronger than her BOTW self due to the stone anyway.

Like goddamn at least watch a walkthrough or something so it isn't this obvious you don't know what you're talking about.

Is there a genuine statement that says the Master Sword is by far Link's strongest weapon?

Yes, actually, not only that, it's stated to be the only weapon even capable of hurting things like the demon dragon. Which has been posted so many times in this chat idk why you even need to ask, which also doubles as a strongest statement given if it's the ONLY weapon he has that can puncture its scales, by proxy it's the strongest thing.

I have played the game, and many of these statements are vague. Also the branch would break long before running out his HP.

No they aren't? How is "it will be even stronger", "it's the only thing capable of combating him", and more vague? And just bring 80 branches bro?

"Sorry sweaty, you have the wrong opinions, while us, we have the right ones"

Yes actually, because we're not discussing opinions, we're discussing blatant factual information.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Remind me to make a downgrade in a month.

I will remind you at exactly 4:17 PM(for me) on December 5th /j

 

[Chariot190]

I will remind you at exactly 4:17 PM(for me) on December 5th

 

[Chariot190]

The stonks are up boys, we def got some memes in here, like time stop res is locked in for Ganon off the top of my head.

I'll refrain from spoilers and I'm still playing so ya know, I'll post the list of slop after I'm done in a spoiler tab.

But this game is 100% canon, it's not an AoC case, it's straight up just what happened offscreen, and when the onscreen stuff happens, it even uses the exact totk cutscenes unedited.

But we def getting some hax and bit feats, I've already noticed a 7-C physical feat for goons, I'll be posting clips in chat as I go, probably put Dale at gunpoint to calc a few so I don't have to do all of them.

Also nut boy agenda is wild.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

Finally. I hope we never see the BotW verse again.

 

[Nierre]

But this game is 100% canon

 

[Chariot190]

There's some decent bit feats so far, one is super braindead to calc and is like 7-C, but more concerned about the hax, we finally have ******* NPI outside of the MS because poes were vague af in totk so that's cool. And the stonks going even higher (Ganon upscales his own feat, they say he was getting even stronger). The time manip stuff is also way clearer now, Ganon has some actual solid resistances now as opposed to "idk chat this might be a thing and he might res it shrug".

The Construct and the nut boy are interesting tho, they kind of cooking with it. We obviously need to make a profile for them, there's just one extreme caveat I'm unsure of how we should handle because scaling is easy, technically speaking we don't actually need to make a new calc for final keys (or maybe we do, he might do an even better blood moon at some point I'm still playing through), but due to what it is, there might be an actual exorbitant amount of hax/res pre-packed into it, at least I think anyway.

 

[Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera]

There's some decent bit feats so far, one is super braindead to calc and is like 7-C, but more concerned about the hax, we finally have ******* NPI outside of the MS because poes were vague af in totk so that's cool. And the stonks going even higher (Ganon upscales his own feat, they say he was getting even stronger). The time manip stuff is also way clearer now, Ganon has some actual solid resistances now as opposed to "idk chat this might be a thing and he might res it shrug".

The Construct and the nut boy are interesting tho, they kind of cooking with it. We obviously need to make a profile for them, there's just one extreme caveat I'm unsure of how we should handle because scaling is easy, technically speaking we don't actually need to make a new calc for final keys (or maybe we do, he might do an even better blood moon at some point I'm still playing through), but due to what it is, there might be an actual exorbitant amount of hax/res pre-packed into it, at least I think anyway.

I don't wanna do even more HW profiles man

 

[Omegabronic]

The stonks are up boys, we def got some memes in here, like time stop res is locked in for Ganon off the top of my head.

I'll refrain from spoilers and I'm still playing so ya know, I'll post the list of slop after I'm done in a spoiler tab.

But this game is 100% canon, it's not an AoC case, it's straight up just what happened offscreen, and when the onscreen stuff happens, it even uses the exact totk cutscenes unedited.

But we def getting some hax and bit feats, I've already noticed a 7-C physical feat for goons, I'll be posting clips in chat as I go, probably put Dale at gunpoint to calc a few so I don't have to do all of them.

Also nut boy agenda is wild.

Which game?

 

[Dust_Collector]

Which game?

Age of Imprisonment, just came out today

 

[Lgamer099_99]

@Chariot190 sorry to bother you while u are enjoying the game, but what about the list of feats of previous game you wanted to calc to obtain some physical tier 7-6 feats? I am not asking for calcs, but just list them I will take a look and I will try to calc some myself.
Like if u can help me with maps for lore scaling I can try to calc Vaati castle feat, Demise brench feat with the lore, Hylia cutting the land with a swing of sword from SS and idk I remember u mentioned some good WW and OOT feats, would u mind list them? Just say where I have to look, please bro.
Currently fighting a guy who is against storm feats.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Been playing the game since I got home from work, Rauru is super fun

 

[Lgamer099_99]

I think Hylia cloud barrier is a bit too low end.
The main principles are like.. Too downplaying?
There are several statements about the barrier being at the very top of the sky limit, that animals can't reach it, stuff like that, it should at least be around 12 km, around troposphere limit, starting from around 2 km (where clouds star to emerge). Also it covers the entire surface, so likely the entire planet but even if we consider it covers a small continent (so a good assumption for Hyrule), and a timeframe of 10 minutes (which is fair if we take the Manga timeframe, actually you can establish less, but overall makes sense) I think the result are around continent level.
I can try to do a calc about it and maybe we can get a more generous scaling, I can do a low end calc assuming hylia covers Hyrule and an high end one (entire planet surface).

 

[Chariot190]

I think Hylia cloud barrier is a bit too low end.
The main principles are like.. Too downplaying?
There are several statements about the barrier being at the very top of the sky limit, that animals can't reach it, stuff like that, it should at least be around 12 km, around troposphere limit, starting from around 2 km (where clouds star to emerge).

This would actually lower it, the higher up in the atmosphere you go, the thinner air and stuff gets.

Also it covers the entire surface, so likely the entire planet but even if we consider it covers a small continent (so a good assumption for Hyrule),

Yeah, we already treat it like it does tho?

and a timeframe of 10 minutes (which is fair if we take the Manga timeframe, actually you can establish less, but overall makes sense) I think the result are around continent level.

This is precisely the type of stuff you're arguing right now you just said, but worse. If we can't prove a timeframe, we ain't doing KE, especially if the feat acts as a foundational feat. Under no circumstances should our ratings be based on "idk i FEEL like it's about this". It just isn't worth the trouble. If you can actually figure out a minimum timeframe that'd be one thing, but just guessing ain't it.

Buuut... This also doesn't matter, it isn't a KE feat.
It isn't like she took existing clouds and spread them across the planet. She just kind of created it, honestly if we take 10 minutes here we'd need to divide the feat by a few hundred times for energy output a second.

I can try to do a calc about it and maybe we can get a more generous scaling, I can do a low end calc assuming hylia covers Hyrule and an high end one (entire planet surface).

We also assume it covers the planet's surface, ngl bro, you kind of just argued, albeit unintentionally that we should lower it due to atmosphere thinning and divide it by timeframe.

You could maybe squeeze a few extra numbers out of the feat, but it wouldn't even hit 6-B.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

This would actually lower it, the higher up in the atmosphere you go, the thinner air and stuff gets.

Yeah, we already treat it like it does tho?

This is precisely the type of stuff you're arguing right now you just said, but worse. If we can't prove a timeframe, we ain't doing KE, especially if the feat acts as a foundational feat. Under no circumstances should our ratings be based on "idk i FEEL like it's about this". It just isn't worth the trouble. If you can actually figure out a minimum timeframe that'd be one thing, but just guessing ain't it.

Buuut... This also doesn't matter, it isn't a KE feat.
It isn't like she took existing clouds and spread them across the planet. She just kind of created it, honestly if we take 10 minutes here we'd need to divide the feat by a few hundred times for energy output a second.

We also assume it covers the planet's surface, ngl bro, you kind of just argued, albeit unintentionally that we should lower it due to atmosphere thinning and divide it by timeframe.

You could maybe squeeze a few extra numbers out of the feat, but it wouldn't even hit 6-B.

I see your point, since the air is thinner even though it's confirmed they are super thick and expanse in the official stuff and it's also pretty visible, like you can't easily "pierce" those clouds, it would still lower the result?

The manga tho suggest a very brief timeframe, we can see Hylians being sent to heaven in a very few time, that the first Link can't reach them if he doesn't grab their hand quickly.

Also many other calcs in the site have a time frame assumption, the manga actually gives as for sure that all of this happened within a day (it is mentioned the war during 7 days and 7 nights and Hylia does that in the last day)

Maybe I should check an entire day as timeframe how much it would give as a result, but I have little hope for that.

What about hylia cutting Skyloft islands tho, like Zoro from one piece got Small Country for cutting Pica, mm.

 

[Chariot190]

Obviously not listing everything so far but this one I figured was notable enough to mention now given it's an actual stat change, (there's been a fuckton of calc-worth feats so far ranging from 8-A to tier 7, ignoring obvious slop like the moon shit), but I think this feat might be Class T, if not it's at the very least 9 digit tons so that's def a huge upgrade for these lads.

 

[Lgamer099_99]

If I made the right calcs I got
High 7-C
Vaati's wind palace feat

I considered MC Link's height around 1 meter tall (18,2 times as tall as he is as a minish in game, and there is a comparison with an apple I found on devianart for estimating minish Link)

Mainteining and lifting skyloft I got Low 7-B close to 7-B (I used in-game and map skyloft size)

While Hylia cutting feat is about 0,5 megatons

I also calculated for the sake of it the sky islands of totk made by the sages, but the result isn't much especially considering there isn't a timeframe I think and they did it together.
Low 7-B again.

Ganondorf lifting castle in totk I considered 5 minutes timeframe I got high 7-C low 7-B

It's a shame that we are currently using Malladus statement but I can't find much tier 6 feats.

 

[SilentLyfe]

So to anyone who has it, how is Age of Imprisonment so far? Won’t be getting it for a while so I’m just wondering how it is.

 

[Dust_Collector]

So to anyone who has it, how is Age of Imprisonment so far? Won’t be getting it for a while so I’m just wondering how it is.

So far I think it's pretty damn good, gameplay wise I think the only thing I don't like as much as the previous two warriors games are the maps and structure of the missions but they're still fine as is, and the new additions for mowing down bokos makes up for it, unique kills had some nice depth visually and combat wise. The elemental system goes nuts esspecially with the korok fella, sync strikes are pretty varied (Some are super attacks, some are buffs, etc..), and the new gameplay type used for certain missions with the construct and korok are fun as hell. Story wise I like it so far, only major complaint is that everything leading up to the actual imprisoning war feels, rushed I guess? But everything during the war so far is pretty raw.

New characters so far are kinda hit or miss, Calamo is actually goated, the handmaid feels like she's there to be there but she's kinda funny. The two new major hylian characters I genuinely forgot were in the game for like 2 hours until I did a mission that involved one of them, there's an old Zora veteran and he's pretty cool. Returning characters get some really nice moments, Zora sage so far is alright but I really like the Goron and Rito sages. Really like Rauru and Sonia in this game, Zelda's great, Mineru's also alright.