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I wish we could trade you for a new court jester that's actually entertaining but alas
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Legend of Zelda General Discussion Thread
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I can't believe it, Sean was right all along, I never knew this official timeline existed. My hatred for Hyrule Warriors blinded me to the truth. I now accept that base Ganondorf in Hyrule Warriors is the strongest being in all of fiction.
TRUE!!!!
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Damn Bro, everyone's falling for your rage bait. You are something else!
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The true timeline...
TRUE!!!!
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When does the Deku Tree say that? I see the Master Sword is in it's pedastal but Link has the 13 hearts needed to pull it out, is this dialouge that shows up if you decide to let go of the sword before pulling it out?
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But like... they're in the same verse tho?
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I mean, The Deku Tree's just wrong then lol. With 13 hearts it just barely makes Link strong enough to pull the sword without threat of dying, so if he's stronger here than he was 100 years ago then he wouldn't have been able to obtain it back then, plus Zelda says he's not fully recovered his power during the final battle with Dark Beast Ganon.
Seans not very knowledgable about Zelda so don't pay too much attention to his takes.
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I’m gonna be honest: Zelda’s line is only there because you can go straight to Ganon after finishing the tutorial, and she says “you may not,” as if she’s not even sure herself.
She says the same thing even if you collect all the memories, even though she explicitly tells you that you’ve finally remembered everything.
So i wouldn't really trust that line.
Your first point is good tho, so mmmm...
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They could've had a different piece of dialouge play depending on Link's progress in the game if they only wanted what she says to apply to just Link after he gets off the great plateau, can't really ignore that she says it even when he's as strong as you can make, also those are his memories of Zelda / the champions, he wouldn't be getting all his nearly 17 years of total memory back just from those, Zelda even says he recovered all his memories "about us".
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As in they're both Legend of Zelda, but the BotW games are noncanon.
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Well, I would say they did take it into account by wording the sentence that way.
Zelda is unsure; there is nothing definitive at play
Like, in JPN she outright says "i don’t know how much of your strength and your memories you’ve managed to regain right now... " (Thx Chariot)
Isn't the whole point of the memories to make Link fully remember the events of the past?
Even if that isn’t the case, it brings us back to my first point: why rely on that line when she doesn’t even know whether Link has regained his powers?
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
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Bro spent so much time making bait that he ignored that the BotW games literally aren't connected to any other game in his little timeline.
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They're canon, take it up with Nintendo if you don't agree
Eh, that's fair. Zelda does know firsthand how strong he is and can see (or sense? I dunno it's one or the other) his fights in BOTW and can tell that Ganon at full power would be too much for Link without her help. Given the way she words it at the end where she's not sure, I can see BOTW Link and Pre-Calamity/AOC Link being about even in that case.
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Yeah, they intentionally left their exact placement vauge besides just taking place after all the others, if you actually did any kind of research (Or bothered reading Chariots posts about it) you'd know that.
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I see... he should inform himself more, BoTW has been stated to be canon already... i just don't have the link to give him right now, someone should
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Yeah, I wonder what's making me not consider Chariot's word as gospel.
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Eiji Aonuma and Hidemaro Fujibayashi said that BOTW takes place at the end of one of the three timelines, but what one it is at the end of is up to player interpretation in an interview transcript on page 360 of the book Creating a Champion. I don’t have a scan rn tho.
EDIT: I think the Zelda fanon wiki cites the wrong page, I’m trying to find it now.
EDIT: I think the Zelda fanon wiki cites the wrong page, I’m trying to find it now.
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whoops sorry dropped something was distracted reading vaati fanfiction, hope it's not too important
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"It's at the end" doesn't mean it gets to be canon, and if they're not even willing to say its placement then that means they're not even willing to commit to it being canon.whoops sorry dropped something was distracted reading vaati fanfiction, hope it's not too important
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It's nearly good rage bait but it's let down by the fact Sean still believes in what he says like Full Triforce level base Ganondorf. He needs a class to truly hone this baiting skills.
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Yeah, like you believe in above Tier 8 BotW verse?
(this is me leaning into the joke)
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I actually believe in 9-C BotW verse, I could beat the demon king with a shotgun. Which is a step up from the original HW Ganondorf who I could beat in a straight fist fight tbh.
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Would calamity Ganon earthquake in botw memories be worth to be calculated?
Oh and Nanatsu verse got tier 3 for infinite /limitless magic statement, can we get 3-A Vaati for Limitless light force pls
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I'm taking you to RVR.
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So what LoZ projects are people working on at the moment?
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Whats that
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Could get some nice results now that we have hard confirmation Hyrule itself is a continent which can help determine the distance between hyrule castle and wherever the champions were when they felt the quake (Weren't they at dueling peaks or something?), I ain't no calc expert tho so I have no idea if it'll be a nice supporting feat or a potential upgrade.
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Place is Lanayru Road - East Gate.
I think it could give us a good result, especially because it seems to be pretty strong as magnitude.
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Yeah, I agree with everything Demifiend is saying here
The Great Deku Tree (who absolutely has tons of credibility given the context) saying that Link is outright stronger than his AoC self holds MUCH more weight than Zelda saying she's unsure if Link's fully recovered his power and memories.
The "about us" angle also isn't true. There are multiple memories Link has to recover that do not have Zelda in them
I think Link (at the point where he is capable of acquiring the Master Sword in BotW) upscaling his AoC self is reliable here. Certainly more reliable than Zelda's unsure stance and contradictory statements regarding memories
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Mmm... I'm fine with them being equals
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Does anyone have a scan of that one BOTW loading screen tip that talks about malice turning pools of water poisonous? I tried getting it to show up during my breaks at work but it just would not show up and I ain't getting home to charge my switch to try again for another 2 hours because I'm busy running some errands.
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