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One-Punch Man: Tatsumaki Speed Upgrade

Kachon123

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Neutral on others scaling to her speed, especially since she was never going all-out until that one moment where she messed Psykos-Orochi up and then God told her to **** off.

I'm fine with Tatsumaki herself being FTL from Sonic.

(Also, the link for Hellfire/Gale being unable to see Sonic only shows a bunch of the Tenninto, not those two. You should probably change it to "Tenninto, who are superior to Hellfire/Gale")
 
Saqphire said:
I agree but how do you adress the elephant in the room known as Tatsumaki's throwing attacks burn up instantly at relativistic speeds
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It’s been a hot minute since I’ve touched OPM so someone can correct me if I’m wrong here. But iirc, Murata statements aren’t gospel and he’s said himself that he’s not a totally reliable source (hence why his statements only give possibly ratings), so if his statement contradicts what’s shown in the manga, the manga takes precedence and the statement should be discarded.
 
LordTracer said:
It’s been a hot minute since I’ve touched OPM so someone can correct me if I’m wrong here. But iirc, Murata statements aren’t gospel and he’s said himself that he’s not a totally reliable source (hence why his statements only give possibly ratings), so if his statement contradicts what’s shown in the manga, the manga takes precedence and the statement should be discarded.
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Yeah I mean from reading the interview itself, he does answer alot that "he's not sure" or "he doesn't know" which is hardly a reliable way of determining if we should use his words for context in scaling or not. I do agree with you about just discarding it entirely
 
Kachon123 said:
Psykos-Orochi would get upgraded for being able to keep up with Tatsumaki's speed. 10-second mode and Ninja Village arc Genos as well.
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We accept Tatsumaki as using way more output against Saitama, so not sure if we can scale others to her. (as we basically have her as "holding back")

As for Tatsumaki's "Relativistic" statement in Q&A, it is a weird case as the reasoning itself was given based on real physics. But that'd mean she can't throw those shurikens that already keeps up with FTL characters? Tatsumaki can't throw Flashy Flash at relativistic speed even though Flashy Flash can actually handle it?

It makes this illogical.

So i agree with upgrading Tatsumaki.
 
What's the evidence that Sonic is running at FTL speed in that scene where he's chasing Tatsumaki and Saitama?

Characters aren't automatically running around as fast as they can; Saitama can move at FTL speeds but he often travels much slower.

Also, from what I remember of the Flashy Flash vs. Sonic fight, Sonic's shuriken are far flower than both he and Flashy is.
 
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Damage3245 said:
What's the evidence that Sonic is running at FTL speed in that scene where he's chasing Tatsumaki and Saitama?

Characters aren't automatically running around as fast as they can; Saitama can move at FTL speeds but he often travels much slower.
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Your statement is actually the evidence. He's chasing after saitama, who he knows outclasses him in every way and is trying to do his best to win at least one match, he's probably running like his life depends on it
 
Damage3245 said:
What's the evidence that Sonic is running at FTL speed in that scene where he's chasing Tatsumaki and Saitama?

Characters aren't automatically running around as fast as they can; Saitama can move at FTL speeds but he often travels much slower.

Also, from what I remember of the Flashy Flash vs. Sonic fight, Sonic's shuriken are far flower than both he and Flashy is.
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Sonic doesn't have to be running as fast as he possibly can to be FTL.

Even when just normally dashing, Flashy Flash and Saitama move at a pace faster than the speed of light. In this scene, Sonic was chasing after Saitama. That's more than enough incentive for him to use a significant portion of his speed. He's been training his speed non-stop to fight Saitama, and even when face to face with a former friend/rival like Flashy Flash, Sonic' first thought is to attack Saitama at full speed (which was mentioned to be a unique quality).

Tatsumaki specifically noted that the speed at which her and Saitama were flying at was very high so there's no implication that this chase scene is happening relatively slowly. Sonic also refers to his exploding shuriken as being high speed, so them being slower than his absolute top speed doesn't mean they're not FTL.
 
Kachon123 said:
Even when just normally dashing, Flashy Flash and Saitama move at a pace faster than the speed of light. In this scene,
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I don't see any indication that Flash Flash and Saitama are dashing around at FTL speeds in these scenes.

Kachon123 said:
In this scene, Sonic was chasing after Saitama.
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Sonic says "So you're the one who was being dragged on the ground" in that page, which indicates that he didn't know he was chasing Saitama right away.

Kachon123 said:
Tatsumaki specifically noted that the speed at which her and Saitama were flying at was very high so there's no implication that this chase scene is happening relatively slowly. Sonic also refers to his exploding shuriken as being high speed, so them being slower than his absolute top speed doesn't mean they're not FTL.
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"To keep up with this movement speed" is a very vague speed statement. It absolutely does not suggest that she was dragging him across the ground at FTL speeds.
 
Kachon123 said:
Psykos-Orochi would get upgraded for being able to keep up with Tatsumaki's speed. 10-second mode and Ninja Village arc Genos as well.

Orochi could also get upgraded for being able to pressure Tatsumaki repeatedly.
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Tornado's powers all come from her psionic energy. Its shown in the Saitama fight that even against Psykos she was holding back immensely for plot reasons as her previous maximum was established to no be near her 100% output.

So if Tornado is FTL, Psykos, Orochi, and Neuron Psykos wouldn't scale in my mind for the same reason they wouldn't scale to Tornado's 100% AP.
 
Damage3245 said:
I don't see any indication that Flash Flash and Saitama are dashing around at FTL speeds in these scenes.
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Faster than Geryuganshoop's near light speed pitch.
Damage3245 said:
Sonic says "So you're the one who was being dragged on the ground" in that page, which indicates that he didn't know he was chasing Saitama right away.
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Different translation says "I knew that was him..."

Regardless, it's very obvious that Sonic had an idea that it was Saitama he was chasing, otherwise he wouldn't have started running to begin with. Before Sonic even says anything, we can literally see from his face that he's running with intent.
Damage3245 said:
"To keep up with this movement speed" is a very vague speed statement. It absolutely does not suggest that she was dragging him across the ground at FTL speeds.
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What it does suggest is that they were moving at a high speed, which does support the idea that Sonic was not moving far slower than his trained speed for whatever reason.
Qawsedf234 said:
Tornado's powers all come from her psionic energy. Its shown in the Saitama fight that even against Psykos she was holding back immensely for plot reasons as her previous maximum was established to no be near her 100% output.

So if Tornado is FTL, Psykos, Orochi, and Neuron Psykos wouldn't scale in my mind for the same reason they wouldn't scale to Tornado's 100% AP.
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This is fair.
 
He attacks Saitama. That alone should be enough to believe Sonic is not moving slow on purpose.

The shurikens are not superior to Flashy Flash and Sonic in terms of speed but they have comparable speed and they're an homing attack whcih Sonic refers to it as "impossible to evade" even for Saitama.

They're fast enough to cause problem to him, which Tatsumaki can react to.

Also Sonic also barely dodges when Tatsumaki throws it back to him herself.
 
Kachon123 said:
Sonic doesn't have to be running as fast as he possibly can to be FTL.

Even when just normally dashing, Flashy Flash and Saitama move at a pace faster than the speed of light
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Geryuganshoop's attack speed only has an a possibly rating plus it's Relativistic+, wouldn't upscaling from it at best give possibly Speed of Light?

Also, it's weird to say Saitama has casual FTL movement speed when this scene exists
 
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Lilybitdun said:
Also, it's weird to say Saitama has casual FTL movement speed when this scene exists
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That's Saitama keeping down with Flashy Flash's speed, he very obviously does not run that fast every time. Saitama is not the point of comparison. Flashy Flash's dashing speed being that fast is what's important.
 
Saqphire said:
I agree but how do you adress the elephant in the room known as Tatsumaki's throwing attacks burn up instantly at relativistic speeds
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That's Murata vision from an old interview from the times he said he drew Geryuganshoop stronger than Tatsumaki, from his words only Geryuganshoop can reach that level of mastery to eliminate the friction between objects and air so the rocks could fly at sublight speed, if we apply that logic to every character besides Geryuganshoop, nobody would have relativistic speed.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Tornado's powers all come from her psionic energy. Its shown in the Saitama fight that even against Psykos she was holding back immensely for plot reasons as her previous maximum was established to no be near her 100% output.

So if Tornado is FTL, Psykos, Orochi, and Neuron Psykos wouldn't scale in my mind for the same reason they wouldn't scale to Tornado's 100% AP.
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Sounds good to me.
 
Yeah, even if Tatsumaki scales to this, it wouldn't scale to anyone else

Problem is, his shurikens really have no relevant speed feat to go with, let's see the scans:


So the notion of the Shurikens scaling to Flash's speed, who got the FTL result in a feat done when using his Flashy Kicks (Not casual), has numerous problems:

  • It was done soon in the fight with Flash having a record of not using his top speed so casually (Sonic is even his friend contrary to opponents who he already held back his speed at varying levels)
  • It was casually dodged
  • It relies on casual dodging Flash being at the same speed he used to perform a Flashy Kick and stun+kill two dragons at once who he made a point of not allowing them to run away. And even then, this casual Flash dodged it

The shuriken barrage doesn't even need to be at such speeds in order to Sonic believe they are a fair try against Flash. They rely on numbers, explosions and homing attack as far as I remember, literally three ways one would consider to deal with faster opponents, in this case, Flash (Pressure by numbers, by area of effect and by lock on target). In the end it depends on Sonic's confidence in attacking with the shurikens, and wouldn't be the first time Sonic uses this against opponents that can't even be hurt by those Shurikens, so even his judgement on if they will work or not is unreliable
 
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Lightning_XXI said:
Yeah, even if Tatsumaki scales to this, it wouldn't scale to anyone else

Problem is, his shurikens really have no relevant speed feat to go with, let's see the scans:


So the notion of the Shurikens scaling to Flash's speed, who got the FTL result in a feat done when using his Flashy Kicks (Not casual), has numerous problems:

  • It was done soon in the fight with Flash having a record of not using his top speed so casually (Sonic is even his friend contrary to opponents who he already held back his speed at varying levels)
  • It was casually dodged
  • It relies on casual dodging Flash being at the same speed he used to perform a Flashy Kick and stun+kill two dragons at once who he made a point of not allowing them to run away. And even then, this casual Flash dodged it

The shuriken barrage doesn't even need to be at such speeds in order to Sonic believe they are a fair try against Flash. They rely on numbers, explosions and homing attack as far as I remember, literally three ways one would consider to deal with faster opponents, in this case, Flash (Pressure by numbers, by area of effect and by lock on target). In the end it depends on Sonic's confidence in attacking with the shurikens, and wouldn't be the first time Sonic uses this against opponents that can't even be hurt by those Shurikens, so even his judgement on if they will work or not is unreliable
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I also think shurikens shouldn't be scaled to Flashy Flash speed. Maybe Tatsumaki should be scaled to Gale Wind and Hellfire Flame through Tenninto members because Sonic is clearly superior than some of them
 
Lightning_XXI said:
The Ten Shadow Burial thing is nothing to Flash, notably a strong Sonic move, contrary to the shurikens
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This is a matter of skill. Not that Flash moved immensely faster than Sonic and dodged it.
Lightning_XXI said:
Sonic's barrage of punches are easily dealt with
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Why would that matter? They're superior to Hellfire and Gale Wind regardless. (Sonic also handles Flashy Kicks too)
Lightning_XXI said:
Flash casually dodges the Shurikens
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Their speed and homing system together is what makes these "impossible to evade". Not that their speed alone is superior to Flashy Flash and Sonic.

Sonic himself is also capable of dodging those while having his focus on Saitama. It doesn't scale above them, but downscales to the value.
Lightning_XXI said:
Flash even against his enemies does not open with his top speed or strength (This first moment here is even before Flash came up with the plan of stalling the fight to cut them both at the same time, cuz only after they mention his Ninja Class he realizes who they are)
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Lightning_XXI said:
Does this again against Garou, who dodged while the later fight shows them on even ground until Garou and PS sped up
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Lightning_XXI said:
The notable exception is Blast, who Flash made a case of even stating to himself to go maximum speed in order to the if he was truly "the real thing"
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Yes, even while he goes for the kill, he doesn't start with his full power against randoms.
 
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LordTracer said:
It’s been a hot minute since I’ve touched OPM so someone can correct me if I’m wrong here. But iirc, Murata statements aren’t gospel and he’s said himself that he’s not a totally reliable source (hence why his statements only give possibly ratings), so if his statement contradicts what’s shown in the manga, the manga takes precedence and the statement should be discarded.
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Said contradiction isn’t coming from anything the story actually states, it’s based entirely on fan made calculations. No one Genos can keep up with should scale to FTL, since he literally believes moving faster than light could cause time travel
 
I'm just gonna share a physics fact because I see some confusion, by the Galilean velocity addition rule, if someone is running, let's say at 30 km/h, and he throws an object, and that object actually moves forward from him, then not only is the object at least as fast as he is at minimum, but it is even faster.
So if people concede that Sonic can run FTL, then yeah, those shuriken are objectively faster in that scenario.

And given Tatsumaki was even faster, she would be even higher.

Count me as Agree.
 
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Even assuming Sonic is moving at his top speed in this scene, I don't see any evidence of the Sonic in this scene already being FTL since this is an unspecified amount of time before the Ninja Arc.

While the two arcs can't be that far from each other, Sonic went from High Hypersonic to FTL between shortly before the MA arc and during the Ninja Arc. With such a massive leap in such a small amount of time, it's not unlikely at all that he wasn't on the FTL level yet at this point. At least there's no direct evidence supporting that assumption so without us knowing what his top speed even was at this point, I don't think this feat can be used for reference.

Disagree from me.
 
In case my vote wasn't clearer earlier in the thread, I'm also voting disagree on this.
 
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