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One-Punch Man: Orochi classification revision

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Orochi's current "Dragon or Higher" rating is likely incorrect, although this cannot be confirmed since the livestream where the original statement was made has been deleted.

But we have Korean and Japanese blogs that say the original phrase Murata used for Orochi's disaster level is: "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself" which would make it a Dragon-level disaster. Added to the fact that all the Japanese sources I found listed Orochi's disaster level as Dragon, like the link of wikipedia, it's reasonable to assume that Orochi's true disaster level is Dragon, although it can't be confirmed since the livestream was deleted and the livestream itself is practically lost media.

Our classification of Orochi as Dragon or higher comes from the One-Punch Man wiki, at this link.

This link quotes the full statement regarding the Orochi disaster level: "That's true, dragon or higher... no, dragon itself."

怪人王オロチ

파일:오로찌.jpg ワンパンマン に登場する怪人。 詳細 ワンファンマンリメイク版怪人 協会 の首長だ 。 以前のエピソードで
ja.namu.wiki ja.namu.wiki

During my exploration of the Japanese community, I found other sources and statements that support this, but for now I will use these links as a basis.

So, to change Orochi's disaster level, we have two options:


Proposal A) We consider them true and change Orochi's disaster level from Dragon or Higher to just Dragon.
Agree: @Kachon123, @Emirp sumitpo
Neutral: @Random-Helper323
Disagree:

or

Proposal B) We completely discard everything, both because there are contradictory sources and because the original livestream is deleted, and change Orochi's classification to Unknown.
Agree: @MrTayman616, @Damage3245, @Maverick_Zero_X
Neutral: @Random-Helper323
Disagree:

or

Proposal C) Same as option B, but with the addition of a note stating that Orochi is at least a Dragon-level disaster:
Agree:
Neutral: @Random-Helper323
Disagree:
 
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What other changes would, or could, occur as a result of these options?
 
I'm betting this leads to a Boros upscale since Boros is still considered the peak of Disaster Level Dragon iirc.
 
Damage3245 said:
What other changes would, or could, occur as a result of these options?
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For now, only Orochi's disaster level is changed, but I think perhaps the only ones that could benefit here would be Boros and Empty Void, although the only one I can see receiving the benefit of a real upgrade under the current wiki conditions is Empty Void... I imagine you would then opt for proposal B?
 
Original livestreams are still present in bilibili.

You can just find what he really said from there. (The streams are kinda long, so good luck :d)
 
Can a higher-level entity directly suppress a lower-level one? For example, is a Dragon Level definitely stronger than a Demon Level?
 
For the Hero Association classifications, no. Threats are based on damage caused, not on actual AP

For the MA, yeah, given they are based on Gyoro's analysis of their power.

For author statements, I don't think we have a standard. Though I'd note that the statement of Orochi being just dragon comes before the redraw that gave Orochi the 5-C feat
 
JustANormalPerson01 said:
Though I'd note that the statement of Orochi being just dragon comes before the redraw that gave Orochi the 5-C feat
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This is correct. Regardless of the statement, this fact makes it unusable since he had such a power up because of a redrawn.

I'm voting for Proposal B.
 
Since he never gets a label within the manga itself, the safest option is Unknown. However since Orochi is also the public head of the Mosnter Association which ranks itself based on strength and other Dragon-level monsters acknowledge Orochi's superiority to themselves then Orochi is at least a Dragon-level threat.

All things considered, Option B seems best for now.
 
MrTayman616 said:
Original livestreams are still present in bilibili.

You can just find what he really said from there. (The streams are kinda long, so good luck :d)
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Bilibili? That's convenient, I searched everywhere for that broadcast and couldn't find anything... I think during my visit to the Japanese community I saw at some point that they mentioned the livestream had been deleted, but I'm not sure... Anyway, thanks for the tip.
MrTayman616 said:
I'm voting for Proposal B.
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ok
Damage3245 said:
Since he never gets a label within the manga itself, the safest option is Unknown. However since Orochi is also the public head of the Mosnter Association which ranks itself based on strength and other Dragon-level monsters acknowledge Orochi's superiority to themselves then Orochi is at least a Dragon-level threat.

All things considered, Option B seems best for now.
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Okay, vote counted.
 
MrTayman616 said:
That statement is a pre-redrawn statement though.

It can't be used rn regardless, since Orochi had a massive change in his character and power.
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IDK, This will be discussed at the CRT if necessary; for now, let's see what happens.
 
Actually, now that I think about it, with the Damage vote and this being a minor review, I think the grace has already begun, right?
 
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Damage3245 said:
Since he never gets a label within the manga itself, the safest option is Unknown. However since Orochi is also the public head of the Mosnter Association which ranks itself based on strength and other Dragon-level monsters acknowledge Orochi's superiority to themselves then Orochi is at least a Dragon-level threat.

All things considered, Option B seems best for now.
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It's been over 24 hours since Damage's vote, I imagine the CRT is applicable now?
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I'm in support of A. It's pretty clear he's at the very least Dragon considering he's already stronger than established Dragon level threats. Just "Dragon" is fine.
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That's not how the ratings work though.

Sage Centipede is also clearly stronger than a Dragon level, that doesn't mean we'll give him a rating based on that. Just "unknown" since that's what we were shown.

We set the wiki page based on their canonical rating. Like Beefcake, who's normally a Dragon level but rated Demon.

This is important since it can confuse others based on scaling chain as well. For example, some can claim above dragon characters should be superior to Orochi based on him only being Dragon level etc.
Saftirix said:
I think "Unknown, at least Dragon" would be the way to go.
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We're not naming their profile, but changing wiki's OPM page. someting like this isn't possible.
 
Emirp sumitpo said:
I'm in support of A. It's pretty clear he's at the very least Dragon considering he's already stronger than established Dragon level threats. Just "Dragon" is fine.
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I'm going to count the vote.

I suppose I'll postpone modifying the page, since I'm not sure if I can apply it yet or not... An answer would be great.
 
Lilybitdun said:
Both proposals have a staff vote though? There hasn't been a consensus
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Are you talking about Emirp? If so, not all staff members have valid votes, and if I'm not mistaken, Thread Moderators are part of the staff group whose votes don't count for CRTs.
 
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