One-Punch Man: Gaia Cannon

[Kachon123]

Alright, so with One-Punch Man Season 3 having finished airing, the anime ended up adapting the pre-redraw version of Orochi vs Saitama, meaning the Gaia Cannon was not animated. One of the main reasons PE is currently used is that there was no agreed upon timeframe for the feat, so we opted to wait for the anime. Since that’s no longer an option, I’ve created a blog outlining four different possible timeframes.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss these timeframes and reach a consensus on which one is the most reasonable.

(thanks to @Therefir for evaluating the calc)

One-Punch Man: Gaia Cannon KE

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30 second end:
1 minute end:
2 minutes end: 3 (@Therefir, @KLOL506, @Floxy178 )
3 minutes end:

 

[Recon1511]

Following

 

[Raiden38]

imo looking at the paneling I find the 1 minute version a good compromise even if my opinion is worth nothing

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Wild how the manga has more frames than the anime. Yes, that is a low-hanging joke, but I will say it anyway. I agree with the 2 min timeframe

 

[Saqphire]

I prefer my timeframes how I prefer the FPS of the OPM anime.
Two frames, two minutes look the best.

 

[Floxy178]

You can put me as agree for 2 min end.

 

[KLOL506]

Aye on the 2 minute end.

 

[Tural2004]

NGL sitting there for two minutes feels utterly out of character for Saitama and doesn't make a sense as a battle move either on Orochi's part. I would say it took at most a minute

 

[MrTayman616]

NGL sitting there for two minutes feels utterly out of character for Saitama and doesn't make a sense as a battle move either on Orochi's part. I would say it took at most a minute

He was taking a "short bath", so it is reasonable imo.

I honestly think it got slower overtime. It's shown to cross over half of the distance almost instantly, probably within seconds. After that panel, we see their reactions, them talking and what happens to the enviroment etc.

If we're talking about how long it took for it to reach from the core to it's location in this panel, even 30 second end is probably a lowball. But if we're talking about how long it took for it to reach Orochi(or at least for him to fully prepare to shoot the attack), i think 30 sec and one minute fits, maybe two as well but it seems too long even if we say everything happened one by one imo.

 

[NikHelton]

Oh no, my dear child will be removed from the OPM page.

I agree that 2 minutes is too long.
Understand that we're calculating the time it takes for each core layer to move apart, not the speed at which each core piece is torn out. Therefore, 5 and 10 seconds are optimal.

 

[Raiden38]

NGL sitting there for two minutes feels utterly out of character for Saitama and doesn't make a sense as a battle move either on Orochi's part. I would say it took at most a minute

Agree
I would like to know why 2 minutes should be suitable because for me it seems like a lowball hypothesis I would say that 1 minute is more suitable but if you can CGM's tell me your opinion

You can put me as agree for 2 min end.

if you can I would like to know your reasons for the end of the 2 minutes

 

[DavidTPPM]

Wait wasn't a huge problem with the faster timeframes the fact the DC just blatantly contradicts that? Having a massive small planet level chunk of mass blasting through the planet and leaving it completely undamaged.

Especially given we see it's affecting earth by creating volcanic eruptions and shaking the surface so it's not like a bullet flying through a piece of paper and more like a car ramming into a building.

I'm no expert on the matter (idrc about the gaia canon personally, it's kinda cringe) but that seemed to be a far more prominent issue with the KE calculations, not the lack of a timeframe. It's the same reason the Low 5-B calculation for Madara was removed and even trying to re-instate it has failed so what's different here?

 

[Therefir]

OPM supporters are still as greedy as ever, I see.

I'm fine with either keeping the current PE value or using the 2-minute timeframe; I wouldn't want to use a much faster timeframe and risk making the feat unusable because it's calculated KE isn't being reflected on the planet itself.

 

[Mommyleona]

Moon lvl Tatsumaki

 

[Tural2004]

it's calculated KE isn't being reflected on the planet itself

OPM Earth is built different. Jokes aside, I don't think we can expect realistic side effects out of a manga. The initial movement of the core happens within a page iirc and that would have already been an irreversible disaster in real world.

 

[Engine]

OPM supporters are still as greedy as ever, I see.

I'm fine with either keeping the current PE value or using the 2-minute timeframe; I wouldn't want to use a much faster timeframe and risk making the feat unusable because it's calculated KE isn't being reflected on the planet itself.

Ah appeal to real life physics when a feat next chapters further proven that it doesn't really need to be.

 

[Engine]

Anyways 1 min timeframe is better(or even lower)

 

[Engine]

He was taking a "short bath", so it is reasonable imo.

I honestly think it got slower overtime. It's shown to cross over half of the distance almost instantly, probably within seconds. After that panel, we see their reactions, them talking and what happens to the enviroment etc.

If we're talking about how long it took for it to reach from the core to it's location in this panel, even 30 second end is probably a lowball. But if we're talking about how long it took for it to reach Orochi(or at least for him to fully prepare to shoot the attack), i think 30 sec and one minute fits, maybe two as well but it seems too long even if we say everything happened one by one imo.

Their reactions is happening at the same time
Agree to other statement

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

He was taking a "short bath", so it is reasonable imo.

I honestly think it got slower overtime. It's shown to cross over half of the distance almost instantly, probably within seconds. After that panel, we see their reactions, them talking and what happens to the enviroment etc.

If we're talking about how long it took for it to reach from the core to it's location in this panel, even 30 second end is probably a lowball. But if we're talking about how long it took for it to reach Orochi(or at least for him to fully prepare to shoot the attack), i think 30 sec and one minute fits, maybe two as well but it seems too long even if we say everything happened one by one imo.

Mag 5-6 Earthquakes last 10-30 Second
Mag 7 and above last from 30 Seconds to 10 Minutes.
(Source)
Not saying it guarantees a lower timeframe, but we can argue it. From the visuals, I would argue a Mag 6

 

[DavidTPPM]

Ah appeal to real life physics when a feat next chapters further proven that it doesn't really need to be.

This wiki has certain rules and one of those is that a KE cannot contradict the visible destruction. It's not an appeal to real life physics it's basic logic (also wtf do you mean "appeal to rlp", you're literally using those very physics to calc the KE…???).

I don’t think it's crazy to say calculating an attack to city level when it was directly stopped a wall and didn't even scratch it is clearly wrong and against what the story is trying to say.

Mag 5-6 Earthquakes last 10-30 Second
Mag 7 and above last from 30 Seconds to 10 Minutes.
(Source)
Not saying it guarantees a lower timeframe, but we can argue it. From the visuals, I would argue a Mag 6

This doesn't work because the earthquake is directly caused by the gaia canon, so it's naturally going to last as long as the GC regardless of speed.
Also it's waaaayyyy more than magnitude 6 lol

 

[Engine]

This wiki has certain rules and one of those is that a KE cannot contradict the visible destruction. It's not an appeal to real life physics it's basic logic (also wtf do you mean "appeal to rlp", you're literally using those very physics to calc the KE…???).

I don’t think it's crazy to say calculating an attack to city level when it was directly stopped a wall and didn't even scratch it is clearly wrong and against what the story is trying to say.

Psykorochi's Earth cutting feat somehow got an exemption I seee.

All of the low-ball are just agenda not logic.
Just follow the manga on what it has shown to make sense and apply VSBW's common take about it.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Psykorochi's Earth cutting feat somehow got an exemption I seee.

It didn't? The surface it lifts doesn't hit anything it could or should destroy so there's no contradiction with KE.

All of the low-ball are just agenda not logic.

And yet you can't make any logical argument against the rule.

Ngl a OPM fan complaining about "agenda lowballs" is absolutely hilarious given how good the verse has it here. Especially in reference to a wiki-wide rule that has been in place for years

Just follow the manga on what it has shown to make sense and apply VSBW's common take about it.

Yes that's exactly what we're doing. We're following the manga which shows Orochis feat not doing anything close to small planet level DC despite the attack going directly through the planet and applying common sense that the author probably didn't intend for it to be that strong or he'd have made it do more damage.

Yk like I said, same reasoning why Madaras low 5-B shinju spreading through the planet feat was rejected. Hell the feat has way more wiggle room too and yet it's rejected based on the same rule

 

[Damage3245]

OPM supporters are still as greedy as ever, I see.

I'm fine with either keeping the current PE value or using the 2-minute timeframe; I wouldn't want to use a much faster timeframe and risk making the feat unusable because it's calculated KE isn't being reflected on the planet itself.

I'm fine with keeping the current PE value.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Ah appeal to real life physics when a feat next chapters further proven that it doesn't really need to be.

...the entierty of vswiki is based on the assumption that fictional characters obey at least SOME laws of physics in order for crossverse and inverse scaling to make sense between characters that aren't in the same verse

Obviously OPM like any shonen breaks a lot of laws of physics because the authors are human beings at the end of the day can't expect perfection, but even ignoring vswiki standards for consistency, the calcs and scaling needs to be in line with author intent and portrayal, you need to jump a LOT of logical hoops to justify why a stronger version of Orochi is slicing continents instead of blowing up the planet (if Orochi is low-5B and Psyrochi is way stronger their feat would have been more impressive not less like we see)

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Alright, so with One-Punch Man Season 3 having finished airing, the anime ended up adapting the pre-redraw version of Orochi vs Saitama, meaning the Gaia Cannon was not animated. One of the main reasons PE is currently used is that there was no agreed upon timeframe for the feat, so we opted to wait for the anime. Since that’s no longer an option, I’ve created a blog outlining four different possible timeframes.

The purpose of this thread is to discuss these timeframes and reach a consensus on which one is the most reasonable.

(thanks to @Therefir for evaluating the calc)

One-Punch Man: Gaia Cannon KE

vsbattles.fandom.com

30 second end:
1 minute end:
2 minutes end: 3 (@Therefir, @KLOL506, @Floxy178 )
3 minutes end:

I vote 3 min end (would vote higher if it was an option) mainly because Psyrochi's feat is a one shot below this weaker version of Orochi

Unless we assume Orochi only scales this high via energy absorption? In that case where do we scale base Orochi?

 

[Engine]

Eh whatever, this is how always treated this series anyways. Put whatever the staffs like...

 

[DavidTPPM]

A OPM fan unironically acting like anyone is downplaying their verse because we don't scale an attack that fails to destroy earth on screen to planet level

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

A OPM fan unironically acting like anyone is downplaying their verse because we don't scale an attack that fails to destroy earth on screen to planet level

Agent of GOD. Ignore him fellow Hero Association Supporters.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Agent of GOD. Ignore him fellow Hero Association Supporters.

Don't expose me publicly like that or he'll suck my dry

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Don't expose me publicly like that or he'll suck my dry

I think Psykos can handle that

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I think Psykos can handle that

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Bro acting like he wouldn't tap that

 

[DavidTPPM]

I think Psykos can handle that

Looking at her backstory with Fubuki, I'm afraid she might not swing that way

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Looking at her backstory with Fubuki, I'm afraid she might not swing that way

I choose to deny your reality and replace it with my own

 

[Raiden38]

I think Psykos can handle that

before the discussion reaches certain levels of culture I would say that the grace period is over

Looking at her backstory with Fubuki, I'm afraid she might not swing that way

more than history and Fubuki who uses Psykos and seals her powers with a kiss because otherwise she is afraid that Psykos will do a better social climbing

 

[Farfetchedx]

I don’t get the whole “It can't be small planetary since the planet wasn't destroyed” argument, when we accept that Garou fired a large planetary Gamma Ray Burst that didn’t do anything to the planet.

Also wouldn’t call it greed for wanting to use the most commonly accepted timeframes of a feat, especially after waiting years just to use its KE, which most sites were already using.

30 seconds seems like the most logical timeframe In My Opinion, since I can’t picture a genius fighter like Orochi sitting there and charging it for longer(In a high-stakes battle against a top-tier opponent(or anyone really), remaining immobile for several minutes would make the attack a liability rather than a threat and wouldn’t make much sense at all). Plus the environmental effects all seem to happen suddenly and simultaneously. Just my two cents

 

[Damage3245]

I don’t get the whole “It can't be small planetary since the planet wasn't destroyed” argument, when we accept that Garou fired a large planetary Gamma Ray Burst that didn’t do anything to the planet.

That wasn't aimed at the planet.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

I don’t get the whole “It can't be small planetary since the planet wasn't destroyed” argument, when we accept that Garou fired a large planetary Gamma Ray Burst that didn’t do anything to the planet.

Also wouldn’t call it greed for wanting to use the most commonly accepted timeframes of a feat, especially after waiting years just to use its KE, which most sites were already using.

30 seconds seems like the most logical timeframe In My Opinion, since I can’t picture a genius fighter like Orochi sitting there and charging it for longer(In a high-stakes battle against a top-tier opponent(or anyone really), remaining immobile for several minutes would make the attack a liability rather than a threat and wouldn’t make much sense at all). Plus the environmental effects all seem to happen suddenly and simultaneously. Just my two cents

With Garou's GRB Saitama himself showed concern and felt the need to make sure it did not even graze the ground which at least somewhat supports the large planet calc as it did not hit anything, with the Gaia cannon it supposedly rammed through all the layers of the planet at massively hypersonic speeds, if it were small planetary it would have drilled its way to the top and sent city Z into space, not to mention Psyrochi cutting a continent is portrayed as far more impressive of a feat, and Saitama himself with Orochi he was just chilling in lava and wasn't worried at all, just bummed out that he couldn't take a bath, which further supoorts that the Gaia cannon wasn't allat

 

[Kachon123]

Currently 3 CGMs agree with the 2 minute and and 1 is pushing for the PE. Grace has long passed so I'll go ahead and make a CRT to get this added.