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Premise
I am indeed aware that Season 2 is introducing new feats, the main ones being Tier 6. But this thread is exclusively about Season 1 feats, any why I diagree with them.I have re-calculated all the feats in question (including some others like the infamous cliff split) in this blog, so for any new value I argue, just check there.
Credits to @TheOrangeGuy09 in helping with some arguments for this CRT as well.
Adam is NOT vaporizing Sir Pentious' ship
So, the main reason why Adam has Heat Manipulation in the first place are this calculation and this CRT.However this is a flawed exaggeration for multiple reasons.
The first being that it clearly didn't vaporize anything, if you look at the frames of the remnants of the ship, it only left specks which could be just dust.
There's no evidence for vaporization besides "I say so lmao, just trust me lil' bro", there's no vapor nor any context that could hint at Adam's beam possibly getting this hot at all. It's completely baseless.
Even then, Adam's beams being 3500 °C is outright impossible if you see his fight against Lucifer. He was definitely bloodlusted and not super casual like against Pentious, and yet, his beam does not vaporize, or even melt the Hazbin Hotel, despite the fact that the melting point of concrete is merely 1150°C!
The aftermath shown later in the same episode show no signs of vaporization/melting either, further cementing that Adam's light beams are nowhere this hot.
Using just pulverization, in the blog above I've calculated the pulverization of the ship (alongside new sizes which don't make weird cross-scales between series and pilot) to 566.57 Tons, or 8-A+, which is consistent with Adam's more serious cliff split being calculated at a higher tier, that being 2.51 Kilotons, or Low 7-C.
This means that Adam and whoever scales to him gets downgraded from 7-C to just Low 7-C, and he also loses both Heat Manipulation and resistance to it.
Edit: Adam's Heat hax can still be there as he made Niffty steam with the shockwave of his beam, who has other heat resistance feats in her profile. Meaning that his heat manipulation simply gets downgraded than outright removed.
Also Charlie and Vaggie should get a similar resistance as they took the shockwaves better than Niffty did, and Charlie also isn't bothered from the fire of her own transformation, so... yeah.
Sir Pentious is lying about Alastor's tentacles
This calculation is wrong, because other than using the inflated measurements of a ship that's not even the same one (Sir Pentious builds one that is completely different design-wise in the series, yet somehow it's scaled to the one destroyed by Alastor in the Pilot), it does not aknowledge that it's the work of 6 tentacles, yet Sir Pentious is fully scaled to the combined KE of all of them put together for some reason.In the blog I've recalculated the feat using just the proportions of the Pilot and the fact that it's 6 tentacles, and the feats gets dropped from 8-B+ to 9-A (0.00688 Tons of TNT).
Though at least I've got Alastor's Tentacles to Class G given that they've crushed the ship after all. They're barely above baseline individually, meaning we are getting an upgrade out of this (even though Alastor himself wouldn't scale to these tentacles LS-wise, given they've managed to grab and throw away Adam without any problem, and Adam is obviously far, far stronger than Alastor is).
But hey, this would mean that Sir Pentious would still be 8-B from his feat of surviving Alastor's explosion right? Well, not quite. I'll explain right below.
Tier 8 for normal Sinners is hella (yes) inconsistent
8-B, or Tier 8 at all, for Pentious, who is noted to be really weak physically in-verse, makes literally no sense given the other feats and anti-feats the regular Sinners (not the Overlords though, they're fine).The first thing first is the so-called 8-C+ "durability" feat from Pentious surviving the explosion of his ship in the pilot... only that he dies according to the official name of the soundtrack used in the scene.
We have then the random sinner being crushed by a rock, which is 9-B, something Vivize herself is not even sure whether he survived or not, another random sinner bleeding after being ran over by a car, and the aforementioned 9-A tentacles of the feat above straight up bullying Sir Pentious.
Sure, you could say that the latter is not a true anti-feat given that Alastor would just scale, but look at the feats for a bit:
8-B from him surviving Alastor's explosion is a straight-up outlier and inconsistent with the showings above, which is further cemented by him being among the weakest Sinners physically. Him having the highest durability feat when Sinners who are supposedly stronger get consistently harmed by far less just makes no sense at all.
Sir Pentious, and every Sinner so would be downgraded to 9-B+ by upscaling from Millie's feat of creating a crater, as she's a Hellborn, the lowest class in all of Hell, and Sinners like Pentious shouldn't be any weaker than her, given how by how Vivize described the hierarcy, it definitely seems to be power-based given how Lucifer is on the top. 9-B feats are also pretty consistent for Hellborns, and to add another 9-B feat, let's calculate the KE of Sir Pentious throwing Angel Dust:
- 0.5 * 167.8 * 47.4134615^2 = 188610.248 or 188.61 KiloJoules
Lil' fun fact: by scaling Pentious from Millie's feat, he'd end up as being x2.66 weaker than the aforementioned 9-A feat from Alastor, which fits with how badly he was beaten up by these, too.
Class M is also inconsistent
Right now, the entire verse is rated as being Class M by a single feat, and there are only 2 in the page rn:
- Lute, an exterminator, something that is supposed to eat Sinners and Hellborns for breakfast, gets incapacitated by a boulder not too larger than herself, and is forced to amputate her own arm to free herself.
EDIT: Apparently there are quite the feats that could justify Class K:
- A cherub's Class 10 feat
- A recalc of the Class M in question, which is Class K (504.87 Tons)
- Millie ripping out a demon's spine (also Class K, 101.97 Tons)
Speed
Don't worry this isn't a downgrade. In my blog Adam's beams and Lucifer catching Charlie mid-fall were calculated to 1.82 Mach and 1.64 Mach respectively, aka both are Supersonic.I dunno who scales to these as they're the God tiers of the verse though, that'll be up to the supporters.
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