The Mah-vel Unfawking Thread Step Three: I Came Back with Milk

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Flowery language

There is little to no reason for it to be flowery language, Hecate is more than capable of doing it.

Where does she tank this? What's the scan for that?

I put all the scans on my early comment

Ms. Marvel does state in a Kurt Busiek(?) run at some point that she purposely holds back unless there is a life or death situation. In general I always think she's kinda... downplayed as she is currently?

Everyone has at least one of those holding back, but Carol is a "soldier" she holds back on destruction but she rarely holds back in destroying an enemy, I remember in the 2006 run that she blasted a man's d!ck multiple times because he didn't recognize her.

My previous comment was ignored so I will bring it up again this time I will add scans.
Ms. Marvel in her weakest form OG in 1977 took on an explosion caused by a carvorite crystal an explosion which is stated to be capable of destroying Earth.
The carvorite was brought back again in 2006 in which the brood planned to destroy an alien called Cru by exploding a carvorite cystal which was stated to also take the earth with it, one time stated that it would vaporize a hunk of the planet, half the planet, destroy earth, wipe out the planet and Cru was stated to channel enough energy to wipe out the planet

She exploded the crystal on space she was right at the center of it, she was also almost out of energy and hurt when it happened

 

[The_Impress]

What Mandarin feat?

The Mandarin shakes the state

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[The_Impress]

There is little to no reason for it to be flowery language, Hecate is more than capable of doing it.

I put all the scans on my early comment

Everyone has at least one of those holding back, but Carol is a "soldier" she holds back on destruction but she rarely holds back in destroying an enemy, I remember in the 2006 run that she blasted a man's d!ck multiple times because he didn't recognize her.

will review

until then rq can you post the references of the scans

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

will review

until then rq can you post the references of the scans

All references are on each imgur link below the scan.

 

[PresentTrunks]

Well, it should be reliable feats that have been or can be calciuated. The feats do not have to be exactly 5-B.

Tried to calculate it, but couldn't. Here's the shit.

In X-Men: Kingbreaker #2 & #3, the Hodinn destroys the Clench Worlds (a group of inhabited planets), including taking a massive chunk out of a planet and burning a planet and its moon simultaneously. The problem is that he may have just life-wiped the others, like he did with the first planet.

In #4, Havok (bloodlusted) supercharged himself with this character's energies to beat up Vulkan.

I'm not sure what tier this is, but Black Bolt would downscale for inflicting similar damage on Vulcan later into this storyline.

Sorry it's only a vague supporting feat, I didn't mean to derail.

 

[Tahoy49574]

Proxima's is bullshit because she can control the density of her spear, so said spear's variable, also Hulk tanks a hit from Thanos in the same comic - Infinity #6

Yet another CRT for the LS pertaining to everyone with Stellar rating ?

Iirc the giant explosion which nearly killed Luke Cage, things like that.

The feat he's currently scaling to was performed by multiple ultron drones that killed She-Hulk with average energy blasts, which he can tank just fine

Battles should also be analyzed with more scrutiny, just like the famous "hollbacc" characters such as Spider-Man and Thor.
I may argue some other heavy hitters among the heroes might tend to hold back and instead of having a million villains scaling 1:1 to them simply because they landed a punch and send them back, we should weed out possible cases of characters just "fighting" or letting themselves be hit or hurt even so slightly.

Plenty of Spider-Man villains would be downgraded with this, right ? At least I would agree. Like, Kingpin and Tombstone are supposed to be comparable

 

[Antvasima]

To be fair, Bendis has a bad habit of degrading She-Hulk and wanking Luke Cage as much as possible in his stories.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

 

[That_moron2]

I did a calc for the Thing that got 7-C, also my version of the moon feat, which doesn't assume its the size of our moon, got accepted and its just barely 6-C. I'll let y'all know if I find anything else in my journeys

 

[Rex_Eckles]

There was this old calculation for Iron Man model 9 tanking the energy of Thanos' psychic blast, which was at 2% it's peak strength by the time it reached Earth, using ISL it got High 6-A. It's flawed because it uses the explosion formula, which is a no-go in space. But, it's shown that earlier the wave had destroyed a Red Giant, and I did the rough math using it's GBE and all the other factors and still got 6-B results. Maybe I'll make a blog for it later.

 

[Antvasima]

So which accepted calculations have we assembled, which reliable feats have we found that need to be calculated, and what else currently needs to be done here?

 

[Rex_Eckles]

So which accepted calculations have we assembled, which reliable feats have we found that need to be calculated, and what else currently needs to be done here?

A couple people are sifting through some comic runs to find more feats.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is good then.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Honestly, I think one way to solve this is to see if we can split each character into different eras and only scale them to feats that canonically take place at those times, like how we treat many mangas. Especially since people like Iron Man have continuously upgraded themselves and gotten stronger and yet we see similar characters consistently matching him across several runs.

 

[ObberGobb]

Personally, I am strongly opposed to us doing anything that isn't supported by in-universe logic. It's why I don't like the cosmology split or anything like that. If a character has an in-universe reasoning for a split, then by all means we should do that. For example, Scarlet Witch could do with many key splits because the nature of her powers and her control over them has changed a lot. But with someone like Namor for instance, I don't think there is any in-universe indication that he has gotten any stronger.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

Personally, I am strongly opposed to us doing anything that isn't supported by in-universe logic. It's why I don't like the cosmology split or anything like that. If a character has an in-universe reasoning for a split, then by all means we should do that. For example, Scarlet Witch could do with many key splits because the nature of her powers and her control over them has changed a lot. But with someone like Namor for instance, I don't think there is any in-universe indication that he has gotten any stronger.

Well, we do know that Tony typically gets stronger armors over time, and upgrades each model as he uses them. Yet we've seen Namor fight just as well against the Model 3 as the Model 4 and so on, so there seems to be something going on.

Honestly, I'm surprised some of Tony's armors don't have their own Varies ratings because there are numerous indications that he holds back his armors' powers depending on the situation.

 

[That_moron2]

Personally, I am strongly opposed to us doing anything that isn't supported by in-universe logic. It's why I don't like the cosmology split or anything like that. If a character has an in-universe reasoning for a split, then by all means we should do that. For example, Scarlet Witch could do with many key splits because the nature of her powers and her control over them has changed a lot. But with someone like Namor for instance, I don't think there is any in-universe indication that he has gotten any stronger.

A lot of characters do train and get stronger

 

[ObberGobb]

Well, we do know that Tony typically gets stronger armors over time, and upgrades each model as he uses them. Yet we've seen Namor fight just as well against the Model 3 as the Model 4 and so on, so there seems to be something going on.

Honestly, I'm surprised some of Tony's armors don't have their own Varies ratings because there are numerous indications that he holds back his armors' powers depending on the situation.

I think you are right about the Varies for Tony's armors. The strength of the armors depends on how much energy he is allocating to them basically. At one point when he was fighting Namor, he mentioned that while he could match him, it took much more energy than normal, so he would have to recharge afterwards. In one guidebook or something, its implied that Tony can reach the level of Thor and others in one of his classic armors, but just for a few seconds by expending all of his energy. I think basically every armor needs to be something like "Varies from _____ to 5-B." Certain armors that can very temporarily reach Herald Tier can have like "up to 3-C in a short burst" or something.

 

[Antvasima]

@The_Impress

What should we currently do here?

 

[Jason_Courne]

At one point when he was fighting Namor, he mentioned that while he could match him, it took much more energy than normal, so he would have to recharge afterwards. In one guidebook or something, its implied that Tony can reach the level of Thor and others in one of his classic armors, but just for a few seconds by expending all of his energy

Yeah it comes from Spider-Man Annual #15, 'course he puts himself and Luke Cage in the same strength tier as Silver Surfer lol

 

[Rex_Eckles]

I did the recalc for Tony surviving Thanos' psychic wave, I sent it off to the evaluation forum, I hope it gets accepted because it's got some pretty useful things for us.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Eseseso]

I did the recalc for Tony surviving Thanos' psychic wave, I sent it off to the evaluation forum, I hope it gets accepted because it's got some pretty useful things for us.

It would be consistent with Doom surviving a 6-B explosion

 

[Rex_Eckles]

It would be consistent with Doom surviving a 6-B explosion

When was that?

 

[Eseseso]

When was that?

Darvel DOMics: Doom durability

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[The_Impress]

What's the feat compilation at now?

Any scaling split is a tall order and probably needs more justifications and threads.

Sorry for the inactivity, exam season.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

will review

until then rq can you post the references of the scans

What's the feat compilation at now?

Any scaling split is a tall order and probably needs more justifications and threads.

Sorry for the inactivity, exam season.

 

[The_Impress]

The Volume 1 feat is a nonstandard explosion that couldn't even blow up the island she was on. This was corroborated with her premonition earlier, note that it states the destruction only went till the atoll.

In general the implication seems to be it would be through the dimensional warp thing which Clairemont describes, rather than a standard explosion, so the exact mechanics as to how it would "destroy the earth" can be anyone's guess. many not even tier 5. It's an implosion, not an explosion: The "energy fields collapse into themselves, opening a gateway into another dimension. Moments later, the gateway closes into itself".

I think the mechanic implied is that it teleports away the matter into another dimension or something tbh, either way it's likely not scaleable in a destructive AP sense, there is way too many nonstandard factors to apply real-world physics, I'd honestly argue it's a weird duraneg/hax that Carol has a resist against

 

[Antvasima]

Impress seems to make sense here.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The Volume 1 feat is a nonstandard explosion that couldn't even blow up the island she was on. This was corroborated with her premonition earlier, note that it states the destruction only went till the atoll.

In general the implication seems to be it would be through the dimensional warp thing which Clairemont describes, rather than a standard explosion, so the exact mechanics as to how it would "destroy the earth" can be anyone's guess. many not even tier 5. It's an implosion, not an explosion: The "energy fields collapse into themselves, opening a gateway into another dimension. Moments later, the gateway closes into itself".

I think the mechanic implied is that it teleports away the matter into another dimension or something tbh, either way it's likely not scaleable in a destructive AP sense, there is way too many nonstandard factors to apply real-world physics, I'd honestly argue it's a weird duraneg/hax that Carol has a resist against

It's most likely an AP thing through energy, all energy is released similar to a supernova which then turns into a black hole. A similar feat happened in Marvel team up comic with spider-Man where Super Skrull was hit by it the same way Carol was this time, with the Super Skrull directly stating that he was hit by an amount of energy that he has never seen beforethe way the comic describes on those scans it also supports that.

 

[The_Impress]

It's most likely an AP thing through energy, all energy is released similar to a supernova which then turns into a black hole. A similar feat happened in Marvel team up comic with spider-Man where Super Skrull was hit by it the same way Carol was this time, with the Super Skrull directly stating that he was hit by an amount of energy that he has never seen beforethe way the comic describes on those scans it also supports that.

Holy ****, the literal next page has this panel:

Yeah no bullshit, straight up confirms the crystal teleports off matter and that's the mechanic. "Feeling energies" means literally nothing when those energies aren't destructive, writer literally mentions the issue by number and tells us that K'lrt getting sucked into the dimensions was the exact same thing that happened there, this is a BFR resist on Carol and literally nothing else.

Suig, no offense, do you not read the comics you get these scans from? Because I'm trying to be nice but like, c'mon dude.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Holy ****, the literal next page has this panel:

Yeah no bullshit, straight up confirms the crystal teleports off matter and that's the mechanic. "Feeling energies" means literally nothing when those energies aren't destructive, writer literally mentions the issue by number and tells us that K'lrt getting sucked into the dimensions was the exact same thing that happened there, this is a BFR resist on Carol and literally nothing else.

Suig, no offense, do you not read the comics you get these scans from? Because I'm trying to be nice but like, c'mon dude.

The scan I showed you specifically states it was "raw power" that was going through him before the portal opened, both descriptions mention that the crystal releases "nova bright" energy that twists space, essencially it's clear in both cases which are written by the same writer that the reason the portal opens is because the energy is too powerful resulting in the space being twisted, it's not an ability to create a portal it's the same as many other times where characters bend space with pure energy which already happened later when Binary used her powers.

 

[The_Impress]

Raw power to open a portal. It opens a portal. They say multiple times it opens a portal.

Fancy ways to open portals are still opening a portal.

If Binary does it she also opens a portal.

This isn't remotely real physics, not scaleable. If you believe otherwise give me the joule value to open a portal.

All I'm hearing from you as to why the destructive nature isn't hax, is "they used the word energy". Energy can be used to perform hax. Most magic systems are based on some energy currency too. It doesn't mean we're applying E=MC2 creation energy for making a flower appear out of thin air.

It has to be a tangible destructive outcome for it to use frag values. So far the crystals don't seem to frag shit, they teleport shit.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Raw power to open a portal. It opens a portal. They say multiple times it opens a portal.

Fancy ways to open portals are still opening a portal.

If Binary does it she also opens a portal.

This isn't remotely real physics, not scaleable. If you believe otherwise give me the joule value to open a portal.

They were both hit by enough energy to open a portal, in the first time the resulting energy was described as "the end of the world" "Stars crashing with planets" ect. That's the energy that is scaled by joules because that's the amount of energy that was released through them. Opening a black hole can be calculated with joules energy the same of when using energy for Creation because while they are "powers" they were made through pure energy.
Binary diodn't opened a portal the energy was simply bending space around her, it was just impossible to go through.

 

[The_Impress]

dude i cant ******* believe i have to explain to you that BFR isnt AP what the **** is this

@Antvasima Do you understand my points? Do you understand the problem with Suig's? Do you think a single staff member would stand by the notion that teleportation is an AP feat? Can we move on?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

dude i cant ******* believe i have to explain to you that BFR isnt AP

So are you gonna downgrade everyone who makes black holes since they are also space time twisting singularities which makes them portals?

 

[The_Impress]

Suig.

Are portals real?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Suig.

Are portals real?

Yes, because this case was described as spacetime twisting which is exacly what black holes are. So now I ask. Are black holes real?

 

[The_Impress]

Yes, because this case was described as spacetime twisting.

Bro you are twisting spacetime right now, everything twists spacetime, that shit isn't special.

What the **** is the joule value of making a portal, tell me that right ******* now.

BLACK HOLES AREN'T EVEN ******* MENTIONED BY ANYONE IN THE COMIC