"Minato becomes Country level and that's the most important thing you need to know (Naruto Bijuu tiers revision)" ~ Sparkle

[Ghostimuscrime]

Hello everyone! Here is the long awaited continuation thread from my last few ones, today's thread is going to cover Naruto's verse wide high tier AP revisions, the chain ranges from Gyuki to all the way upto the first form ten tails, I got a lil lazy with the sandbox as every possible character is not updated but seeing the sandbox will give you an idea of what exactly their updated numbers will be, I want to use this thread as an opportunity to update calcs to new values as well as fix the inverse scaling chains, so if there are changes you feel are needed to those feel free to share with class. As this is a high tier revision CRT we will not be touching the top tier side of the verse nor the mid tier side of the verse, to avoid a mess so I'd appreciate not talking about the other tiers side of the verse. I'm also omitting the high tiers involved for Boruto's side of things to allow Nierre to rework them.

Calculations​

• Isobu's Bijūdama = 15.61 Teratons (Country level)
• Kokuo's Bijūdama = 15.92 Teratons (Country level)
• Chomei's Bijūdama = 17.77 Teratons (Country level)
• Matatabi's Bijūdama = 18.1 Teratons (Country level)
• Saiken's Bijūdama = 18.34 Teratons (Country level)
• Madara Cleaves Mountains = 22.83 Teratons (Country Level)
• Tengai Shinsei = 143.918 Teratons (Large Country level)
• Bijūdamas Nuke Konoha = 547 Teratons (Large Country level+)
• Combined Bijūdama = 2.46 Petatons (Continent level)
• Kurama & Gyuki's Charged TBB = 29.47 Petatons (Multi-Continent level)

Scaling Notes ​

• The Low 6-Bs like Temari with Ninjutsu scale to 1/4th of the lowest 6-Bs (1.75 Teratons)
• The lowest 6-Bs like Gyuki downscale to baseline from the average Bijūdama.(7 Teratons)
• The lower middle 6-Bs like KN7 Kushina scale twice as strong as the lowest 6-Bs. (14 Teratons)
• The middle 6-Bs like KN6 Naruto with Bijūdama possibly scale to the KN6 Bijūdama.(14.9 Teratons)
• The higher 6-Bs like Gyuki's Bijūdama scale to the Average Bijūdama. (18.34 Teratons)
• The highest 6-Bs like KCM2 Naruto scale 5x stronger than the lowest 6-B. (35 Teratons)
• The lower High-6Bs like Madara with Telekinesis scale to Madara's Tengai Shinsei. (143.92 Teratons)
• The higher High 6-Bs like Saiken with charged attacks scale to the Charged Bijūdama. (246.12 Teratons)
• The 6-A characters like KCM2 Kurama with Bijūdama scale to his own Bijūdama. (1.23 Petatons)
• The lowest High 6-As like KCM2 Kurama downscale from the Ten Tails Jūbidama. (4.435 Petatons)
• The lower middle High 6-As like Gyuki with Charged Bijūdama scale to half it's Charged Bijūdama. (14.735 Petatons)
• The middle High 6-As like the 1st Form Jūbi scale above Kurama-Gyuki Charged Bijūdama. (29.47 Petatons)

Note​

An important thing I would like to mention is, with Arc's greenlight. I have published the calc for the destruction of Konoha but there is a bit of conflict in the scaling of it. If you open the sandbox you will notice that the tier of the cast is a bit on the lower end despite some feats being stronger and I did this just as a safer interp of everything, so arc argues that this statement of the bijuubomb erasing konoha is all encompassing and applies to any normal bijuu like shukaku or gyuki, where as I interpreted it to be only applying to the TBBs in the reference image beside it, it shows kurama sending his own TBB that equally matched the other 5 bijuu's, which means the avg bijuu wont scale to it and even their charged tbbs will only have 1/5th of the total yield, so basically no one scales, where as with Arc's interp of things it applies to gyukis normal TBB since they made a general statement, one that does not clarify exclusivity so if we accept the 547 tt value to apply to a standard bijuubomb the characters you see rated at baseline country will end up as baseline large country+ (7 teratons to 500 teratons) Ultimately i don't have issues with either, I only went with what I find more comfortable in defending but I will leave it upto staff to decide if they wanna scale the nukage of konoha to the avg bijuu or to kuramas tbb. Calc Here.

Sandbox​

Thanks to Net, Test, David, Sparkle and co for helping discuss some of the chains off site and Special Thanks to Alt, Sparkle and Areaz for helping with the sandbox dirtywork. With all that's been said and done let us discuss!

Agree : Saqphire, Damage3245 (Thinks Konoha Bust Calc should be possibly, agrees with all else), Apollonir.Scale, MinatoSparkle, Kaydee1648, R81handman, Karo_senpaii, Kachon123, Nierre, Godernet, DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree :
Neutral :

 

[Saqphire]

Another solid CRT. Agree

 

[DavidTPPM]

Minato upgrade = automatic disagree I'm afraid

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Minato upgrade = automatic disagree I'm afraid

minato slander?

 

[Damage3245]

OP seems fine. I have my own reservations about the ratings end up this way, but the content of the OP itself is fine - though the 547 Teratons calc (if it ends up being used) should also be a "possibly" calc like the 6-Tailed Naruto BB calc that uses Konoha's size.

 

[BlackeJan]

As long as it’s accurate I agree though what bout MKCM Naruto surviving Tenpachii? while he was wound, Choji stated Naruto saved everyone so should MKCM get a “possibly” with a rating in later arc?

 

[Damage3245]

As long as it’s accurate I agree though what bout MKCM Naruto surviving Tenpachii? while he was wound, Choji stated Naruto saved everyone so should MKCM get a “possibly” with a rating in later arc?

Naruto would've been hit only by a tiny fraction of it, no?

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

I agree

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

OP seems fine. I have my own reservations about the ratings end up this way, but the content of the OP itself is fine - though the 547 Teratons calc (if it ends up being used) should also be a "possibly" calc like the 6-Tailed Naruto BB calc that uses Konoha's size.

Thanks for the eval, While I can understand feeling the conflict in sizes for Konoha, it was accepted to fully scale to be 62 km based on much more consistent info like population density / several statements reaffirming the FOD size in favor of inconsistencies here and there
Since the scaling comes from a statement we don’t have the issue of inconsistent visuals like we did with the KN6 calc so logically it should fully scale

As long as it’s accurate I agree though what bout MKCM Naruto surviving Tenpachii? while he was wound, Choji stated Naruto saved everyone so should MKCM get a “possibly” with a rating in later arc?

I'm tackling Ten Tails feats in the next thread but the others don't really get anything meaningful and even Naruto who was the closest to them only gets city level physicals (using isl to find out how much he tanked) which is basically the same tier he previously was so it does not change anything in a meaningful manner

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Minato should be Continental, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to disagree
I agree obviously. Might have some more things to say about the inverse scaling after going through the whole sandbox but the general proposal is cool.

 

[Damage3245]

Thanks for the eval, While I can understand feeling the conflict in sizes for Konoha, it was accepted to fully scale to be 62 km based on much more consistent info like population density / several statements reaffirming the FOD size in favor of inconsistencies here and there
Since the scaling comes from a statement we don’t have the issue of inconsistent visuals like we did with the KN6 calc so logically it should fully scale

I don't agree but I'll leave it for another time/thread and not here.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Ideally, a CGT could have been well for this but the arguments to make regarding those already got rejected so I find it to be pointless in all honesty

Minato should be Continental

does he know

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Ideally, a CGT could have been well for this but the arguments to make regarding those already got rejected so I find it to be pointless in all honesty

does he know

Meant Base Minato

 

[Kaydee1648]

looks nice
I was so occupied i totally forgot about this
Also there's no way that flying wood victim is 6-B

 

[BlackeJan]

Naruto would've been hit only be a tiny fraction of it, no?

Honestly I keep forgetting that. Yeah it wouldn’t do anything unless we include it as a whole regardless of what 2nd form Juubi is and scale Naruto

 

[BlackeJan]

Thanks for the eval, While I can understand feeling the conflict in sizes for Konoha, it was accepted to fully scale to be 62 km based on much more consistent info like population density / several statements reaffirming the FOD size in favor of inconsistencies here and there
Since the scaling comes from a statement we don’t have the issue of inconsistent visuals like we did with the KN6 calc so logically it should fully scale


I'm tackling Ten Tails feats in the next thread but the others don't really get anything meaningful and even Naruto who was the closest to them only gets city level physicals (using isl to find out how much he tanked) which is basically the same tier he previously was so it does not change anything in a meaningful manner

Yeah that true. Same as Damage said I keep forgetting that part unless we still scale MKCM Naruto to 1st Form Juubi and his tier still ends with a possibly

 

[Kaydee1648]

I think this will affect a fraction of the Boruto characters, so if the primary scaling gets accepted then it'll become;

• Country level+ charcters like Deepa, Sarada Uchiha, and Boruto's Compression Rasengan scale 8x higher than Pre-Kara Actuation Training Boruto's Rasengan (56 Teratons)
• Multi Continent level characters like Sarada with Chidori and Butterfly mode ChoCho scale 100x higher than Country level+ characters (5.6 Petatons)

Regardless of if there's a work in progress to possibly get the scaling chain revised, its best to have the profiles updated up until then.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

iirc nierre was gonna change up the boruto era scaling so the high tier chain would not extend to that part of the story, so I didn't bother touch up on them, it'd be unnecessary headache if it's eventually removed

 

[karo_senpaii]

Hello everyone! Here is the long awaited continuation thread from my last few ones, today's thread is going to cover Naruto's verse wide high tier AP revisions, the chain ranges from Gyuki to all the way upto the first form ten tails, I got a lil lazy with the sandbox as every possible character is not updated but seeing the sandbox will give you an idea of what exactly their updated numbers will be, I want to use this thread as an opportunity to update calcs to new values as well as fix the inverse scaling chains, so if there are changes you feel are needed to those feel free to share with class. As this is a high tier revision CRT we will not be touching the top tier side of the verse nor the mid tier side of the verse, to avoid a mess so I'd appreciate not talking about the other tiers side of the verse. I'm also omitting the high tiers involved for Boruto's side of things to allow Nierre to rework them.

Calculations​

• Isobu's Bijūdama = 15.61 Teratons (Country level)
• Kokuo's Bijūdama = 15.92 Teratons (Country level)
• Chomei's Bijūdama = 17.77 Teratons (Country level)
• Matatabi's Bijūdama = 18.1 Teratons (Country level)
• Saiken's Bijūdama = 18.34 Teratons (Country level)
• Madara Cleaves Mountains = 22.83 Teratons (Country Level)
• Tengai Shinsei = 143.918 Teratons (Large Country level)
• Bijūdamas Nuke Konoha = 547 Teratons (Large Country level+)
• Combined Bijūdama = 2.46 Petatons (Continent level)
• Kurama & Gyuki's Charged TBB = 29.47 Petatons (Multi-Continent level)

Scaling Notes ​

• The lowest 6-Bs like Gyuki downscale to baseline from the average Bijūdama.(7 Teratons)
• The lower middle 6-Bs like KN7 Kushina scale twice as strong as the lowest 6-Bs. (14 Teratons)
• The middle 6-Bs like KN6 Naruto with Bijūdama possibly scale to the KN6 Bijūdama.(14.9 Teratons)
• The higher 6-Bs like Gyuki's Bijūdama scale to the Average Bijūdama. (18.34 Teratons)
• The highest 6-Bs like KCM2 Naruto scale 5x stronger than the lowest 6-B. (35 Teratons)
• The lower High-6Bs like Madara with Telekinesis scale to Madara's Tengai Shinsei. (143.92 Teratons)
• The higher High 6-Bs like Saiken with charged attacks scale to the Charged Bijūdama. (246.12 Teratons)
• The 6-A characters like KCM2 Kurama with Bijūdama scale to his own Bijūdama. (1.23 Petatons)
• The lowest High 6-As like KCM2 Kurama downscale from the Ten Tails Jūbidama. (4.435 Petatons)
• The lower middle High 6-As like Gyuki with Charged Bijūdama scale to half it's Charged Bijūdama. (14.735 Petatons)
• The middle High 6-As like the 1st Form Jūbi scale above Kurama-Gyuki Charged Bijūdama. (29.47 Petatons)

Note​

An important thing I would like to mention is, with Arc's greenlight. I have published the calc for the destruction of Konoha but there is a bit of conflict in the scaling of it. If you open the sandbox you will notice that the tier of the cast is a bit on the lower end despite some feats being stronger and I did this just as a safer interp of everything, so arc argues that this statement of the bijuubomb erasing konoha is all encompassing and applies to any normal bijuu like shukaku or gyuki, where as I interpreted it to be only applying to the TBBs in the reference image beside it, it shows kurama sending his own TBB that equally matched the other 5 bijuu's, which means the avg bijuu wont scale to it and even their charged tbbs will only have 1/5th of the total yield, so basically no one scales, where as with Arc's interp of things it applies to gyukis normal TBB since they made a general statement, one that does not clarify exclusivity so if we accept the 547 tt value to apply to a standard bijuubomb the characters you see rated at baseline country will end up as baseline large country+ (7 teratons to 500 teratons) Ultimately i don't have issues with either, I only went with what I find more comfortable in defending but I will leave it upto staff to decide if they wanna scale the nukage of konoha to the avg bijuu or to kuramas tbb. Calc Here.

Sandbox​

Thanks to Net, Test, David, Sparkle and co for helping discuss some of the chains off site and Special Thanks to Alt, Sparkle and Areaz for helping with the sandbox dirtywork. With all that's been said and done let us discuss!

Agree :
Disagree :
Neutral :

Looks good.
I noticed something in Naruto's section..part of the description for his H6A Durability notes that it should be comparable to his SS but his SS itself isn't that tier

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Looks good.
I noticed something in Naruto's section..part of the description for his H6A Durability notes that it should be comparable to his SS but his SS itself isn't that tier

Will change it to dura being at least equal or above SS instead of straight up equal (and separate avatar from body as well) in a bit

 

[R81handman]

I Agree with this CRT.

 

[BlackeJan]

So what bout the lil Juubi’s that the gang face? When Sakura was monologuing bout catching up since apparently Base Sasuke in the kage summit arc is High 7A and iirc one of those lil Juubi’s stalemated his sword attack but Naruto was able to evenly clash with it?

Also Naruto was stated to have surpass his parents regarding chakra control and when u have that and the quantity of it, it does makes someone stronger

 

[MinatoSparkle]

So what bout the lil Juubi’s that the gang face? When Sakura was monologuing bout catching up since apparently Base Sasuke in the kage summit arc is High 7A and iirc one of those lil Juubi’s stalemated his sword attack but Naruto was able to evenly clash with it?

1. This is a high tiers revision, Base FKS Sasuke is a mid tier
2. Sasuke is rated High 7-A with the Sharingan

Also Naruto was stated to have surpass his parents regarding chakra control and when u have that and the quantity of it, it does makes someone stronger

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

 

[BlackeJan]

1. This is a high tiers revision, Base FKS Sasuke is a mid tier
2. Sasuke is rated High 7-A with the Sharingan

Ah that’s true though the sharigan part should be include in his profile

And yes I said what I said bout the chakra control. I ain’t taking it back

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Ah that’s true though the sharigan part should be include in his profile

Prolly

And yes I said what I said bout the chakra control. I ain’t taking it back

 

[Kaydee1648]

bump (staff votes needed)

 

[Kachon123]

OP and sandbox look good, I agree.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

yo guys look, I'm not staff but I still have the ability to tag people

‍ SUMMONING JUTSU

@Nierre @Godernet

 

[Kaydee1648]

@LordTracer @DarkDragonMedeus can you give this a look

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

smh kay i was tryna do the thing

 

[Nierre]

OP looks good to me

 

[Kaydee1648]

smh kay i was tryna do the thing

hey it worked

 

[Shi4njutsu]

W (WAITING THE TIME WHERE IKEMOTO SAYS THAT THE WORLD OF NARUTO IS 100 BIGGER THAN EARTH)

 

[Godernet]

Overall, this CRT looks fine.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Thank you for the evaluations everyone!
Since grace has passed and it is well accepted, I shall start applying the changes (and kidnap alt kay and sparkle to help me do the dirtywork of applying em)

 

[Damage3245]

@AlternativePrinciple When you're editing the profiles, make sure you're using the templates for the tiers.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

@AlternativePrinciple When you're editing the profiles, make sure you're using the templates for the tiers.

oh forgor about that, ill fix that

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Thoughts on using these statements to scale Minato and/or Kushina's Rasengan to 18.34 teratons? It should definitely apply to Kushina considering the intent is for her to counter Bijuudamas with the Rasengan, and the argument exists for Minato scaling via him crafting the jutsu with the express purpose of fighting Bijuudamas.

And in case it gets brought up, Minato knows the power of the explosion, not just its spherical, unquantifiably above physicals state.

Also, given the whole Naruto, Bee, and Itachi each contributing one third to the CT's destruction thing, should Naruto's Rasenshuriken and Itachi's Susanoo scale to the Bijuudama?