Gojo powering a nation Re-Do

[Phoenks]

" long period of time " is vague and can mean anything. They don't give any explicit time so technically speaking anything could work to be honest. Safest to just go with him equalling the per second energy consumption.

" assume he doesn't get tired " is pretty irrelevant since it's a theoretical statement. Gojo just needs to be capable of consistently powering the country with his output for the statement to be true.

Also Gojo can use techniques in his sleep anyway. I disagree with your arguments here.

 

[Arkenis]

Huh? How does the knowledge of the person doing the statement not matter when interpreting the meaning of the statement???? The secretary isn't making a statement to the viewers or something, he's making it to the president. This point makes no sense. And the "readers knowing" means nothing, if the guy saying the statement just doesn't know.

I said what you think doesn't matter, what Cyrus says matters very little to the actual known facts about Gojo.

Gojo powering the country is still part of main point, that being that they want to use the sorcerers for a complete energy independence for a lifetime. Gojo powering a country by himself would be irrelevant as a point if they were talking about "short periods of time" specially when they literally know there's very few sorcerers because, well, Kenjaku literally tells them. So they'd run out of sorcerers easily at this point for "complete energy independence" lol.

Yes and that point is broken up into two distinct statements. One's about Gojo himself powering a nation alone, the others about sorcerers in general producing lifetime of energy.

And when they'd ask him where Gojo is since they would much prefer abducting someone like him first...? Kenjaku is very intelligent, for him to make such an easy mistake like this and talk about the guy that they literally can't get is stupid.
Also do you not see the amount of stretches you have to do to get the "1 second" conclusion? We are making up stuff that literally isn't said in the story ever for the sake of debunking a feat, instead of simply using what's shown. How is this interpretation any less of a stretch than what I'm doing (simply using what the story shows...?)

He can lie. I said this and I'll say it again.

"Also do you not see the amount of stretches"
I told you this Kenjaku point isn't important.

Because the whole point is that Gojo could do one nation by himself. A group of sorcerers can do the same as Gojo yes but together. They all can product said lifetime energy, however only one of them can produce such a high amount by himself, that being Gojo.

Where's it stated "a group of sorcerers can do the same as Gojo"

I do want an answer on how you see your interpretation as less of an assumption than mine by the way.

• My "interpretation" Is simply: Person with 0 shown knowledge about six eyes, and simply sees sorceres getting tired after minutes of using CE says Gojo can power the entire country after seeing the recording.
• Yours is that said person somehow got a off-screen knowledge about six eyes that allowed him to understand that Gojo has infinite stamina, and for some reason by Kenjaku himself, the guy who knows they can't have Gojo eitherway.

How is yours my reasonable can you please explain?

My assumption is to just go by seconds for a year like the calc does because that's usually the standard we go with powering stuff like this without trying to argue any more like you're attempting.

Again:

Because he wants them to be incentivized to invade Japan. The guy's been lying and hiding his intentions and scheming the whole manga but somehow its impossible for you to believe he'd lied? Again, its not important because your numbers don't follow what we actually know about Gojo.

He explains ce before the viewing so what are you saying? It makes perfect sense while they viewed the footage Kenjaku likely floated the idea Gojo's the strongest and has endless ce, but again it really doesn't matter if you believe this.

 

[Arkenis]

Thanks.

I agree with that, but it would help cease your debate with Arkenis if acknowledged imo. Cuz Arkenis argues as if Gojo has infinite stamina, when we know he canonically sleeps, and exactly for how long cuz we know his normal schedule (and have seen him sleeping in-universe).

We both know Gojo only sleeps because he likes dreaming about food.

 

[Rodriiogo]

" long period of time " is vague and can mean anything. They don't give any explicit time so technically speaking anything could work to be honest. Safest to just go with him equalling the per second energy consumption.

They strictly say the sorcerers are supposed to be energy for a lifetime. Hence why I put it under brackets.
And to just quote myself again:
Their plan is complete energy independency using Cursed Energy:

• They plan for sorcerers to replace every type of energy for a life time
• They single out Gojo as a special one because he can do an entire nation by himself. The wording itself is implying that, yes, others can do it but not by themselves, as they don't have as much CE Output as Gojo.

I think it's pretty clear here. Also even if you think he only does it for a "week" he would still need... rest.

" assume he doesn't get tired " is pretty irrelevant since it's a theoretical statement. Gojo just needs to be capable of consistently powering the country with his output for the statement to be true.

What do you mean? The statement is for it to be practical eventually. They were planning to use the sorcerers for a lifetime as I said, and Gojo was singled out as the person able to do it for an entire country. They were planning to do it, the statements interwine with eachother and are in the same context.

Also Gojo can use techniques in his sleep anyway.

The under secretary... doesn't know that? We have to take into account what the under secretary knows, not what we know.
All he knows is through recordings of the Kyoko Goodwill Event arc, where:

• Gojo uses barely any attacks
• Sorcerers are shown to get tired after minutes in fights.
• (Relates to the second one, but to make it even more clear) Sorcerers are shown to run out of CE in minutes of usage.

So tell me how does it make sense the under secretary just. somehow thinks Gojo is a infinite stamina god with no basis.

 

[Phoenks]

They strictly say the sorcerers are supposed to be energy for a lifetime. Hence why I put it under brackets.
And to just quote myself again:
Their plan is complete energy independency using Cursed Energy:

• They plan for sorcerers to replace every type of energy for a life time
• They single out Gojo as a special one because he can do an entire nation by himself. The wording itself is implying that, yes, others can do it but not by themselves, as they don't have as much CE Output as Gojo.

I think it's pretty clear here. Also even if you think he only does it for a "week" he would still need... rest.


What do you mean? The statement is for it to be practical eventually. They were planning to use the sorcerers for a lifetime as I said, and Gojo was singled out as the person able to do it for an entire country. They were planning to do it, the statements interwine with eachother and are in the same context.


The under secretary... doesn't know that? We have to take into account what the under secretary knows, not what we know.
All he knows is through recordings of the Kyoko Goodwill Event arc, where:

• Gojo uses barely any attacks
• Sorcerers are shown to get tired after minutes in fights.
• (Relates to the second one, but to make it even more clear) Sorcerers are shown to run out of CE in minutes of usage.

So tell me how does it make sense the under secretary just. somehow thinks Gojo is a infinite stamina god with no basis.

Even if everything you said is true, the idea that he produces 3 days of energy in an instant is literally just a random guess with next to no basis whatsoever. So I disagree with the current OP.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I said what you think doesn't matter, what Cyrus says matters very little to the actual known facts about Gojo.

Actual known facts...by the viewers. Not Cyrus. Cyrus knows absolutely nothing about Gojo, why are we using his stamina showings for the viewers, that Cyrus never saw, as something Cyrus just knows.

Yes and that point is broken up into two distinct statements. One's about Gojo himself powering a nation alone, the others about sorcerers in general producing lifetime of energy.

The gojo powering a nation statement comes from Cyrus pushing the idea onto the president about how they could have total energy independence. The statement loses it's meaning entirely if you think he was saying "Gojo can do it for a few minutes".

He can lie. I said this and I'll say it again.

"Also do you not see the amount of stretches"
I told you this Kenjaku point isn't important.

It's still a point that is trying to counter mine, so I will address it. It doesn't work. If you don't want me to talk about it then don't use it as a counter?

Where's it stated "a group of sorcerers can do the same as Gojo"

As I said the wording and context implies it.
The wording, by the fact that Cyrus specifically adds "by himself" during his statement. They are singling him out as the only person that can do it by himself, but others can do it together as that's the whole plan as we see in the context of them talking about total energy independence, for this Gojo powering a singular nation would not bring total energy independence in the long run and that's why they need the other sorcerers. Otherwise they'd just say they want Gojo and that's enough.

My assumption is to just go by seconds for a year like the calc does because that's usually the standard we go with powering stuff like this without trying to argue any more like you're attempting.

True that's the standard... when it's not a person with, as far as they know, very finite stamina, doing it for a long time? At that point stamina and other factors must be taken into account and the feat isn't as linear. The standards are used when the feat is simply powering something casually and there's no other factors.

As for the rest, sure, if it doesn't matter then don't bring it up as a point and stick to the main counter.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Even if everything you said is true, the idea that he produces 3 days of energy in an instant is literally just a random guess with next to no basis whatsoever. So I disagree with the current OP.

I do say my basis right there:
I simply used the normal time a body requires to recover fully after strength training, as well, using your Cursed energy should be simillar as it's shown to take a physical toll on their bodies (48 - 72 Hours)

If there's any better option on what timeframe should be used I will gladly hear it. But mine already has this basis. (Mid-End being 48 hours and High-End being 72)

 

[Arkenis]

It's still a point that is trying to counter mine, so I will address it. It doesn't work. If you don't want me to talk about it then don't use it as a counter?

It's not a counter lol, its a simple possibility that fits Kenjaku's actions. Address it all you want though, it isn't helping your argument.

The wording, by the fact that Cyrus specifically adds "by himself" during his statement. They are singling him out as the only person that can do it by himself, but others can do it together as that's the whole plan as we see in the context of them talking about total energy dependence, for this Gojo powering a singular nation would not bring total energy dependence in the long run and that's why they need the other sorcerers. Otherwise they'd just say they want Gojo and that's enough.

If you acknowledge this then you understand why the statements aren't connected.

True that's the standard... when it's not a person with, as far as they know, very finite stamina, doing it for a long time? At that point stamina and other factors must be taken into account and the feat isn't as linear. The standards are used when the feat is simply powering something casually and there's no other factors.

Its the standard unless concrete statements are given. You're tryna go around that because you've gotten yourself to believe since Cyrus has limited knowledge he could only be thinking about regular humans after seeing supernatural humans and thus you've concluded a fully rested timeframe is good.

 

[Rodriiogo]

It's not a counter lol, its a simple possibility that fits Kenjaku's actions. Address it all you want though, it isn't helping your argument.

Possibility that is unsubstantiated and has no supporting evidence or even any reason to assume this other than to counter this specific argument. You are making up "possibilities" to specifically go against this one while showing no narrative support of it. It doesn't work because a possibility, to be used, should be supported, yours isn't.

If you acknowledge this then you understand why the statements aren't connected.

??? I directly connect the context of both statements as the same in my explanation, I thought I was clear.

"So by acknowledging and explaining that they are directly connected. I understand why they aren't?"​

"Yes."​

​

Anyways, explaining again using the same thing that I used to reply to Phoenks, their plan is complete energy independency using Cursed Energy:

• They plan for sorcerers to replace every type of energy for a life time
• They single out Gojo as a special one because he can do an entire nation by himself. The wording itself is implying that, yes, others can do it but not by themselves, as they don't have as much CE Output as Gojo.

So the intent is that Gojo could complete the task of complete energy independency for an entire nation, and for that it requires a huge timeframe, in this case a life time as seen by point one, which makes sense with the context as you can't achieve "complete energy independency" by powering a country in a timeframe of only a day or two without getting tired and letting the country on a blackout for some time.

Its the standard unless concrete statements are given. You're tryna go around that because you've gotten yourself to believe since Cyrus has limited knowledge he could only be thinking about regular humans after seeing supernatural humans and thus you've concluded a fully rested timeframe is good.

I. got myself to believe that Cyrus, the guy that the story itself shows:

• Had no knowledge on what CE even was at first
• Had no knowledge on what Sorcerers were
• Had no knowledge of Satoru Gojo's existence

Has limited knowledge on the stamina and abilties of Satoru Gojo.
Hm.... I wonder why I think that?

As for the idea that he could be talking about the stamina compared to the other supernatural humans. Yea, as I said, he saw the Kyoto Goodwill Event arc... where sorcerers get tired during fights in minutes. Such a good showing of stamina right?

I'm going to sleep now, I've been answering for 4 hours straight

 

[Arkenis]

??? I directly connect the context of both statements as the same in my explanation, I thought I was clear.

If you reread my comments you'll understand how the words connect and context are being used cause we clearly aren't using them the same.

I. got myself to believe that Cyrus, the guy that the story itself shows:

• Had no knowledge on what CE even was at first
• Had no knowledge on what Sorcerers were
• Had no knowledge of Satoru Gojo's existence

Has limited knowledge on the stamina and abilties of Satoru Gojo.
Hm.... I wonder why I think that?

As for the idea that he could be talking about the stamina compared to the other supernatural humans. Yea, as I said, he saw the Kyoto Goodwill Event arc... where sorcerers get tired during fights in minutes. Such a good showing of stamina right?

Are you just telling me how you convinced yourself? I'll just let mods look this over because I don't think we're gonna get anywhere after this.

 

[Rodriiogo]

If you reread my comments you'll understand how the words connect and context are being used cause we clearly aren't using them the same.

I just explained why I am indeed arguing that they are the interwined within the same context of total energy independence.

Are you just telling me how you convinced yourself? I'll just let mods look this over because I don't think we're gonna get anywhere after this.

I'm showing you why I believe that's the case, not because I made it up to convince myself, but because that's basically what the manga tells us straight up.

I'm fine with waiting for mods then

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

OP makes sense to me, I agree (even if my opinion doesn't count since I'm not a staff member lol).

 

[Sammy818]

Take this shit down bro

 

[WizardPowers101]

Take this shit down bro

Why we got downplayers now…

 

[Rodriiogo]

Take this shit down bro

Actual counters would be good. I don't see the issue with any of my arguments and its not like this got 100% denied as of right now no need to act like this.

 

[Rodriiogo]

I wanna add some context to me saying the "country level powering" came from Gojo using very few attacks too as I feel like I didn't show what I mean;

They got this level of "power-read" from him via Mechamaru recordings as Kenjaku himself says, and the specific recordings for Gojo are shown as an image from Chapter 52 (and likely onwards until Mechamaru's defeat to Mahito).

From Chapter 52 until Chapter 82 (Mechamaru's defeat), Gojo uses simply two attacks, that being Blues, and the Hollow Purple on Hanami. (Just to make sure I also checked every single chapter before chapter 52, as the recording also show Nanami and even stuff as far 2F Sukuna from chapter 8, and Gojo simply used a single punch, a single kick and a red against Jogo before and a single punch on 1F Sukuna, that's all the times Gojo used attacks in the manga up until the chapter of mechamaru's defeat in 82)

So they got the country power very few attacks, and 0 showings of "high stamina" from anyone really. I think it's pretty straightforward (alongside every single other point I provided with the stamina and knowledge of said person doing the statement) that they aren't thinking about "per second" energy unless you think Gojo will be spamming hollow purples, red and blues every single second for a lifetime.

I also think the safest option would be to say the country powering attack is Hollow Purple as it has a way higher CE Output than anything else Gojo does and it's something they 100% saw as it's in the chapter of the image of Gojo used for the recordings.

 

[Buraqibear]

Rodriiogo might just be Eljoaki’s alt with how he’s actually cooking this crt. Still neutral for now

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Yeah, I don't think using Gojo's raw energy generation and converting to electricity through...idk, something, then somehow translating it to AP because reasons is really all at.

Well, may read and give my opinion on this later tho.

 

[WizardPowers101]

Yeah, I don't think using Gojo's raw energy generation and converting to electricity through...idk, something, then somehow translating it to AP because reasons is really all at.

Well, may read and give my opinion on this later tho.

That’s not even the context though? The OP alr explained and gave context of the scene

 

[Sammy818]

Rodriiogo might just be Eljoaki’s alt with how he’s actually cooking this crt. Still neutral for now

Icl I didn’t read dick is bro actually cooking?

 

[Rodriiogo]

Take this shit down bro

Icl I didn’t read dick is bro actually cooking?

 

[Duedate8898]

I'm a bit confused here. OP, are you trying to argue that we should use how much energy Gojo would output overtime for his AP going off the ends listed in the calc, instead of using how much he'd have to put out per second?

 

[Duedate8898]

@Sammy818 Images with slurs are a way to get a global ban put on your account, so don't do so again

 

[Sammy818]

@Sammy818 Images with slurs are a way to get a global ban put on your account, so don't do so again

My bad, that’s on me coach

 

[Rodriiogo]

I'm a bit confused here. OP, are you trying to argue that we should use how much energy Gojo would output overtime for his AP going off the ends listed in the calc, instead of using how much he'd have to put out per second?

Not really, in a VERY big TLDR.

I'm trying to say that the "per second" way doesn't work in the long timeframe context of the feat ("A lifetme", I explained why this context logically applies to Gojo's statement some comments ago btw), as it would require Gojo to output the recordings of CE continuously without rest like a generator. Something that the person doing said statement (Under secretary) has no reason nor knowledge to assume Gojo is some infinite stamina god that can output the levels he saw in the recording for a long timeframe every single second, it's completely unreasonable to use this interpretation.

Said outputs which were also likely just the blues and hollow purple from Kyoto Goodwill Event, as the image to symbolize the recording of Gojo is a frame of that arc in chapter 52, where Gojo does those exact moves. (Which is why I said 5 comments ago that the safest option would be to say the country powering attack is Hollow Purple)

And a more reasonable and correct approach would be a time continuous output, where Gojo outputs X energy for X time and fully regains enough stamina, before doing it again, so the energy that he outputs in a single powering would require excess energy for his rest time, sleep, eating, everything else so he can continuously power the nation by himself as the statement says.

 

[Sammy818]

Not really, in a VERY big TLDR.

I'm trying to say that the "per second" way doesn't work in the long timeframe context of the feat ("A lifetme", I explained why this context logically applies to Gojo's statement some comments ago btw), as it would require Gojo to output the recordings of CE continuously without rest like a generaor. Something that the person doing said statement (Under secretary) has no reason nor knowledge to assume Gojo is some infinite stamina god that can output the levels he saw in the recording for a long timeframe every single second, it's completely unreasonable to use this interpretation.

Said outputs which were also likely just the blues and hollow purple from Kyoto Goodwill Event, as the image to symbolize the recording of Gojo is a frame of that arc in chapter 52, where Gojo does those exact moves. (Which is why I said 5 comments ago that the safest option would be to say the country powering attack is Hollow Purple)

And a more reasonable and correct approach would be a time continuous output, where Gojo outputs X energy for X time and fully regains enough stamina, before doing it again, so the energy that he outputs in a single powering would require excess energy for his rest time, sleep, eating, everything else so he can continuously power the nation by himself as the statement says.

Holdup…

 

[Phoenks]

I do say my basis right there:
I simply used the normal time a body requires to recover fully after strength training, as well, using your Cursed energy should be simillar as it's shown to take a physical toll on their bodies (48 - 72 Hours)

If there's any better option on what timeframe should be used I will gladly hear it. But mine already has this basis. (Mid-End being 48 hours and High-End being 72)

I don't understand what the correlation is here to how much he can produce in a single second of output. This seems incredibly random and this idea uses far too many assumptions to be viable over the per second calculation.

 

[Duedate8898]

Not really, in a VERY big TLDR.

I'm trying to say that the "per second" way doesn't work in the long timeframe context of the feat ("A lifetme", I explained why this context logically applies to Gojo's statement some comments ago btw), as it would require Gojo to output the recordings of CE continuously without rest like a generator. Something that the person doing said statement (Under secretary) has no reason nor knowledge to assume Gojo is some infinite stamina god that can output the levels he saw in the recording for a long timeframe every single second, it's completely unreasonable to use this interpretation.

Said outputs which were also likely just the blues and hollow purple from Kyoto Goodwill Event, as the image to symbolize the recording of Gojo is a frame of that arc in chapter 52, where Gojo does those exact moves. (Which is why I said 5 comments ago that the safest option would be to say the country powering attack is Hollow Purple)

And a more reasonable and correct approach would be a time continuous output, where Gojo outputs X energy for X time and fully regains enough stamina, before doing it again, so the energy that he outputs in a single powering would require excess energy for his rest time, sleep, eating, everything else so he can continuously power the nation by himself as the statement says.

Going to be honest, we don't really get anything useable for scaling purposes from this feat if we're not focusing on what his output per second would have to be. If you're trying to use your feat to scale him by taking how much energy he'd have to output across a period of two-three days, and then use that total for scaling then its not really useable until we see what the output per second would be.

To better explain, if we're saying overtime Gojo outputs 7-A energy then that's great, but we would still want that 1 second value because Gojo doesn't have any abilities which he spends multiple hours charging up. And no one would be able to scale to that because no one would be getting hit or clashing with these abilities which don't exist. Maybe we could argue that his usage of any of limitless extensions or reversals has a charge time, but we have no stated timeframe for such so we still wouldn't have much to work with.

As is, the new calc while probably accurate, just isn't usuable

 

[Rodriiogo]

I don't understand what the correlation is here to how much he can produce in a single second of output. This seems incredibly random and this idea uses far too many assumptions to be viable over the per second calculation.

Think of it like this.

If we use the per second calculation, no matter how many time you think the under secretary thinks Gojo sleeps for example, 8, 7, 6, 5 hours, whatever hours you want. The moment Gojo has to sleep or gets tired the entire power would go down because he would not be outputting CE anymore. So the whole point is gone? There needs to be excess energy that he outputs so he can have time to rest, and in this case it would be how much the secretary thinks he would need to fully gain back his full power/CE Output.

The point is that the "he produces energy every second" way doesn't work here unless Gojo produces CE output (Which as I said is likely Blues or Hollow Purple every single second for a "lifetime" with no breaks, no rest, nothing. This makes no sense.

 

[Phoenks]

Think of it like this.

If we use the per second calculation, no matter how many time you think the under secretary thinks Gojo sleeps for example, 8, 7, 6, 5 hours, whatever hours you want. The moment Gojo has to sleep or gets tired the entire power would go down because he would not be outputting CE anymore. So the whole point is gone? There needs to be excess energy that he outputs so he can have time to rest, and in this case it would be how much the secretary thinks he would need to fully gain back his full power/CE Output.

The point is that the "he produces energy every second" way doesn't work here unless Gojo produces CE output (Which as I said is likely Blues or Hollow Purple every single second for a "lifetime" with no breaks, no rest, nothing. This makes no sense.

We would only be able to assume that he just produces unquantifiably more energy than the per second rate. Since that is the most logical baseline, and still makes sense for him to have "excess."

 

[Rodriiogo]

Going to be honest, we don't really get anything useable for scaling purposes from this feat if we're not focusing on what his output per second would have to be. If you're trying to use your feat to scale him by taking how much energy he'd have to output across a period of two-three days, and then use that total for scaling then its not really useable until we see what the output per second would be.

To better explain, if we're saying overtime Gojo outputs 7-A energy then that's great, but we would still want that 1 second value because Gojo doesn't have any abilities which he spends multiple hours charging up. And no one would be able to scale to that because no one would be getting hit or clashing with these abilities which don't exist. Maybe we could argue that his usage of any of limitless extensions or reversals has a charge time, but we have no stated timeframe for such so we still wouldn't have much to work with.

As is, the new calc while probably accurate, just isn't usuable

My point is that Gojo would output energy for the two-three days (or whatever timeframe is decided as I'm fine with changing), in one powering. And then he would need his rest/stamina regain time. He can't continously do that like a generator.



The only other best way I could see us doing this is saying Gojo outputs two-three days (or some other timeframe) worth of energy in like X seconds and use the per second from there. As his would obviously be differerent from the usual per second that a generator with no rest, breaks, or anything needed does as Gojo needs stuff like day breaks.

 

[Rodriiogo]

We would only be able to assume that he just produces unquantifiably more energy than the per second rate. Since that is the most logical baseline, and still makes sense for him to have "excess."

Refer to the "only other best way" I referenced in the comment above. We can still calc that with the showings that the under secretary saw.

The under secretary saw how long sorcerers can fight continuously with their CE (minutes lol) and would have no reason to assume Gojo's stamina is that different from theirs. So he would likely use that as the time Gojo could keep outputting energy every second before being tired. So Gojo would output the 2-3 days (Or again, whatever timeframe is decided) in those minutes that he can do that. That isn't a hard calc to do and I can adjust it in the calculation page aslong as we decide on the timeframes.

 

[Phoenks]

Yeah this requires more assumptions than what I just said so it's just not a better option, sorry.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Yeah this requires more assumptions than what I just said so it's just not a better option, sorry.

So it's better to use a calc that... doesn't work? I think it's way fairer to use one that would actually be simillar to what the narrative is trying to convey rather than one that uses something narratively impossible and illogical and assumes the under secretary just assumes (Assumption of an assumption lmao) Gojo's stamina is from a godlike being. Because even ur excess way doesn't work. As it would require Gojo to output twice the energy currently used in the accepted calc for AN ENTIRE DAY (Even if you SOMEHOW think he can output blue/purple levels of energy every second for an entire day without losing ANY of his output, which is ridiculous, in the under secretary's eyes he can't) just to have a single day of rest.

There's a difference between assumptions and just using what the story shows as stepping stones to getting a value for the feat.

 

[Mythic381]

We fr got the "love in a bottle" person making a JJK CRT.

Anyways, following for now, this seems very interesting.

 

[Rodriiogo]

Final thing before I go to sleep is that, for whatever reason, the feat is being treated as if Gojo is like trapped and having cables inserted in him constantly drawing out his CE Output (Gojo trapped in the Energy chamber for a million years ) when thats not the point of the statement. The statement is that they got the conclusion that Gojo could power the country via his attacks thats the whole reason the feat is accepted on the wiki verse page right now. With those attacks being either blues or, most likely, Hollow Freaking Purple.

Put your hand in the air if you think its reasonable to say that someone (under secretary) who has no knowledge on Gojo other than "hes a white haired jujutsu sorcerer", no info on his stamina nor six-eyes, and his only view on sorcerers were fights that lasted minutes before they got tired would assume that Gojo can spam hollow purple every single second with no issues on stamina, rest, eating, anything for a life-time. Scrap that, even saying he could do this for hours (3600 holow purples per hour btw ) is ridiculous.

The 1 second end makes no sense, whatsoever. Both logically and narratively.

 

[Duedate8898]

The 1 second end exist not because we're expecting Gojo or any sorcerer to literally power a nation indefinitely with no rest. The 1 second end exist because that's how much energy we would be expecting to go into any given attack at least. The multiple day ends you are trying to use are useless for scaling purposes because Gojo wouldn't spend that much time charging any attack.

 

[Sammy818]

Final thing before I go to sleep is that, for whatever reason, the feat is being treated as if Gojo is like trapped and having cables inserted in him constantly drawing out his CE Output (Gojo trapped in the Energy chamber for a million years ) when thats not the point of the statement. The statement is that they got the conclusion that Gojo could power the country via his attacks thats the whole reason the feat is accepted on the wiki verse page right now. With those attacks being either blues or, most likely, Hollow Freaking Purple.

Put your hand in the air if you think its reasonable to say that someone (under secretary) who has no knowledge on Gojo other than "hes a white haired jujutsu sorcerer", no info on his stamina nor six-eyes, and his only view on sorcerers were fights that lasted minutes before they got tired would assume that Gojo can spam hollow purple every single second with no issues on stamina, rest, eating, anything for a life-time. Scrap that, even saying he could do this for hours (3600 holow purples per hour btw ) is ridiculous.

The 1 second end makes no sense, whatsoever. Both logically and narratively.

Sleep is for the weak

 

[FusionPrime0]

Final thing before I go to sleep is that, for whatever reason, the feat is being treated as if Gojo is like trapped and having cables inserted in him constantly drawing out his CE Output (Gojo trapped in the Energy chamber for a million years ) when thats not the point of the statement. The statement is that they got the conclusion that Gojo could power the country via his attacks thats the whole reason the feat is accepted on the wiki verse page right now. With those attacks being either blues or, most likely, Hollow Freaking Purple.

Put your hand in the air if you think its reasonable to say that someone (under secretary) who has no knowledge on Gojo other than "hes a white haired jujutsu sorcerer", no info on his stamina nor six-eyes, and his only view on sorcerers were fights that lasted minutes before they got tired would assume that Gojo can spam hollow purple every single second with no issues on stamina, rest, eating, anything for a life-time. Scrap that, even saying he could do this for hours (3600 holow purples per hour btw ) is ridiculous.

The 1 second end makes no sense, whatsoever. Both logically and narratively.

The U.S. officials have basically no authority here. Kenjaku is the one that states the Gojo has the energy to power a whole nation. Why would we take the U.S. officials biased pov that Gojo would be powering the nation via his attacks? And add the assumption that they think Gojo has a certain level of stamina? We should only go by what Kenny says at best, which would be based on how CE and Gojo actually work. And even then what he says here is dubious as he's just trying to get them to invade Japan so he could easily lie his ass off. Also the lifetime statement and powering a nation statement are completely unconnected, so it's a stretch to assume that a sorcerer producing power for a lifetime would extend to Gojo being able to produce power for an entire nation for a lifetime.

Is Gojo's regular CE output above just powering a nation for a second? Maybe
But using the biased view of U.S. officials who know almost nothing paired with Kenny's claims to assume Gojo would gas out after a second and rest for 2-3 days makes absolutely no sense. The 1 second end is the most logical way to calc the feat while making the least amount of assumptions.

 

[Rodriiogo]

The 1 second end exist not because we're expecting Gojo or any sorcerer to literally power a nation indefinitely with no rest. The 1 second end exist because that's how much energy we would be expecting to go into any given attack at least. The multiple day ends you are trying to use are useless for scaling purposes because Gojo wouldn't spend that much time charging any attack.

"power a nation indefinitely with no rest." So not the feat in question? The feat in question isnt "That white haired one might power the nation for some time", the point is that the whole group of statements gives context on how the feat isnt as simple as "1 second" because we all know Gojo isnt a generator that needs 0 rest. The current calc wouldnt work even if gojo only had a rest for 5 hours, 5 minutes, 5 seconds. Literally any timeframe would cause a nation-wide blackout and remove the whole point of the feat.

The idea of "any given attack" having the potency of even CLOSE to only 1 second is ridiculous in this context because, as I said, put your hand in the air if you think its reasonable to say the Under secretary thinks Gojo can pull out 3600 hollow purples levels of CE every because he has no knowledge on gojo and yada yada, I already explained this. The point is that the under secretary has no reason to think Gojo can only do that and theres no assumption because we know what his knowledge on sorcerers is. We know what he saw and from what he did see theres no reason for such an absurd claim. The government doesnt even measure per second energy btw they make their notes in gigawatts per hour im pretty sure. Unless the secretary has the mind of a calculator he wouldnt even know how much energy is needed for a second. Theres SO MANY ways to say that the 1 second way just... doesnt work?

And I don't think my point got through. I am not saying Gojo would power the country throughout a day, 2 or 3 nonstop charging thats the very thing I'm trying to say is impossible. Im saying Gojo in a single powering/in this case attack would power the country for that period so he could have enough rest for the lifetime timeframe consistently.