Saitama vs Lord Orochi, round 2 (The Hero for Fun vs the King of the Monsters)

[EnderLord8]

Story: The destruction of City A draws the attention of King Orochi, who happened to be nearby. After witnessing the powerful light show of the attack, Orochi realizes that a formidable opponent is above the ship that devastated City A. He quickly jumps to confront Saitama, who had just defeated Lord Boros...

Saitama, who is going to face Orochi, is the same Saitama who just faced Boros, who scales to High 6-A (3.15657 Exatons).

True Form Orochi, scales for 5.68 Exatons

Initial Distance: 50 Meters

Battlefield: Free-falling debris from Boros's spaceship

The speed is Equalized

Both are in character, but Orochi has complete prior knowledge of Saitama.

Note: I know that technically Saitama doesn't have a High 6-A key, but I recently discovered that you can choose a character from a time period outside of those used in the keys to fight, and since Saitama's best feat in this time period is his combined AP from the serious punch + CRSC, then it's valid, since it also doesn't scale to his future feats, as it's accepted that his version from a day in the future one-shots his version from a day ago.

Saitama:
Lord Orochi:
Incon:

 

[darkphantom9805]

Nobody in the entire verse can ever beat Saitama no matter what point in the series it is

 

[Recon1511]

The Saitama that beat Boros is still scaled to 4-A Ender

 

[EnderLord8]

The Saitama that beat Boros is still scaled to 4-A Ender

Still 4-A? Why, like, doesn't he just one-shot his version from the previous day? Would that make the version that fought Boros High 6-A, since it's his best feat at the moment, or is there some kind of statement or inverse scale?Still 4-A? Why, like, doesn't he just one-shot his version from the previous day? Would that make the version that fought Boros High 6-A, since it's his best feat at the moment, or is there some kind of statement or inverse scale?

 

[Quangotjokes]

Saitama

 

[LordTracer]

I recently discovered that you can choose a character from a time period outside of those used in the keys to fight

Uh… since when?

 

[EnderLord8]

Uh… since when?

I don't know, I saw a match like that a while ago, and I even played a Yujiro vs. Frisk match myself where I temporarily used the Yujiro who performed the 7-C feat because he didn't have a specific ability, and it wasn't a problem in the match.

So I'm doing it again.

 

[EnderLord8]

Nobody in the entire verse can ever beat Saitama no matter what point in the series it is

This is your argument or what? Because if that's your argument, I suggest putting Kid Saitama to fight Cosmic Fear Garou and seeing what happens.

Saitama

Reason?

 

[Arkenis]

Is there something stopping Saitama from having better RE and inevitably killing him through vap or atomize?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Saitama, who is going to face Orochi, is the same Saitama who just faced Boros, who scales to High 6-A

No saitama in any key goes to that. So this is a mismatch.

 

[darkphantom9805]

This is your argument or what? Because if that's your argument, I suggest putting Kid Saitama to fight Cosmic Fear Garou and seeing what happens.

That obviously only applies after Saitama completed his workout lol

 

[Quangotjokes]

Reason?

4-A scaling

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Uh… since when?

Gojo Vs Heian Era Sukuna is allowed despite there being zero keys for Heian Era Sukuna. Jojo matchups have done this too.

 

[EnderLord8]

4-A scaling

Is there any other scaling for the 4-A achievement besides the one-shot downscaling it has from the 4-A achievement? Otherwise, it doesn't truly scale to 4-A, only scaling to its best achievement in this scenario, which is High 6-A.

Is there something stopping Saitama from having better RE and inevitably killing him through vap or atomize?

I'm not sure, but that's why I gave Orochi prior knowledge, so he has a chance, maybe using his superior martial arts at this point to try and overpower Saitama before he grows strong enough.

 

[MrTayman616]

Is there any other scaling for the 4-A achievement besides the one-shot downscaling it has from the 4-A achievement? Otherwise, it doesn't truly scale to 4-A, only scaling to its best achievement in this scenario, which is High 6-A.

I'm not sure, but that's why I gave Orochi prior knowledge, so he has a chance, maybe using his superior martial arts at this point to try and overpower Saitama before he grows strong enough.

Uh... i don't think it works like that. Not to mention, he scales above Tatsumaki anyway.

This type of logic means i can scale Carnage Kabuto above Saitama episode 1.

 

[EnderLord8]

Uh... i don't think it works like that. Not to mention, he scales above Tatsumaki anyway.

Is there a direct upscaling above it? Like a statement, a feat, or is it just the narrative vibe?

This type of logic means i can scale Carnage Kabuto above Saitama episode 1.

As funny as it is, Saitama already scales above Karnage Kabuto during training anyway, so his post-training version would still make a good one-shot of Kabuto

 

[Arkenis]

I'm not sure, but that's why I gave Orochi prior knowledge, so he has a chance, maybe using his superior martial arts at this point to try and overpower Saitama before he grows strong enough.

It'll happen pretty fast from what we've seen no? Or is the Garou fight not a good example

 

[Quangotjokes]

Tbh even equalizing speed is useless here due to Saitama’s accelerated development which was already pretty insane even before his hair fell out. He will overcome the slight ap edge rather quickly.

 

[Kachon123]

Saitama at this point is well above 5-B, being able to tank a barrage of attacks that could destroy the planet and create a shock powerful enough to be a threat to beings several thousand kilometers away. He obviously wins here.

 

[AThe1412]

Still 4-A? Why, like, doesn't he just one-shot his version from the previous day? Would that make the version that fought Boros High 6-A, since it's his best feat at the moment, or is there some kind of statement or inverse scale?Still 4-A? Why, like, doesn't he just one-shot his version from the previous day? Would that make the version that fought Boros High 6-A, since it's his best feat at the moment, or is there some kind of statement or inverse scale?

Saitama at any point between Post-Balding and Pre-Cosmic Garou is 4-A, possibly 3-C. His power remained static since there was nothing that could've pushed him to break his limiter.

Gojo Vs Heian Era Sukuna is allowed despite there being zero keys for Heian Era Sukuna.

Heian Era Sukuna is literally just his true form minus WCS. There's no tier difference.

Jojo matchups have done this too.

Example?

 

[AThe1412]

I don't know, I saw a match like that a while ago, and I even played a Yujiro vs. Frisk match myself where I temporarily used the Yujiro who performed the 7-C feat because he didn't have a specific ability, and it wasn't a problem in the match.

So I'm doing it again.

The Strongest Martial Artist in History vs The Strongest Child of Today (Yujiro Hanma vs Frisk) [0-1-0]

Frisk could move like an Alien and it wouldn't matter because Yujiro is just reading them like a book. For that he would need a talent that works according to what you say, if Yujiro only has talents to predict human muscle movements, then he will only be able to do that in the match Even if...

vsbattles.com

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Example?

I forgot it was a while ago

Heian Era Sukuna is literally just his true form minus WCS. There's no tier difference.

Doesn’t really matter now does it. You can’t just restrict World Cutting Slash from Sukuna unless you do some shit like using Heian Era Sukuna.

 

[AThe1412]

I forgot it was a while ago


Doesn’t really matter now does it. You can’t just restrict World Cutting Slash from Sukuna unless you do some shit like using Heian Era Sukuna.

Uh... You can though? That's why it's in a seperate tabber from his true form abilities. He couldn't have gotten it without Ten Shadows.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Uh... You can though? That's why it's in a seperate tabber from his true form abilities. He couldn't have gotten it without Ten Shadows.

"All previous abilities enhanced plus:"

 

[AThe1412]

"All previous abilities enhanced plus:"

Matches where the Ten Shadows is restricted are allowed.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Matches where the Ten Shadows is restricted are allowed.

And my match where I tried to restrict the ten shadows wasn’t allowed until I specified a specific time period of Sukuna

 

[AThe1412]

And my match where I tried to restrict the ten shadows wasn’t allowed until I specified a specific time period of Sukuna

Either way, it doesn't matter for this one. Full Power Sukuna had different sets of abilities at different time periods while Saitama remained the exact same in AP Post-Balding.

 

[MrTayman616]

Saitama at this point is well above 5-B, being able to tank a barrage of attacks that could destroy the planet and create a shock powerful enough to be a threat to beings several thousand kilometers away. He obviously wins here.

Boros might scale to it as the commander believes not one, but all of the cannons should be used against a being that can defeat Boros. He could scale to one of the cannons maybe :d

 

[EnderLord8]

Saitama at this point is well above 5-B, being able to tank a barrage of attacks that could destroy the planet and create a shock powerful enough to be a threat to beings several thousand kilometers away. He obviously wins here.

Well, it's impossible to know when this scene takes place unless there's a statement outside of these particular panels, so it could happen anytime after the fight against Boros, from a few days to after the MA Arc, so that Saitama doesn't scale to this particular 5-B feat.

Saitama at any point between Post-Balding and Pre-Cosmic Garou is 4-A, possibly 3-C. His power remained static since there was nothing that could've pushed him to break his limiter.

According to our profiles and the CTR (counter-rate) he had, a different Saitama each day has different strength because he's able to one-shot his previous day's version, so I wouldn't say his power is stagnant according to our profiles.

The Strongest Martial Artist in History vs The Strongest Child of Today (Yujiro Hanma vs Frisk) [0-1-0]

Frisk could move like an Alien and it wouldn't matter because Yujiro is just reading them like a book. For that he would need a talent that works according to what you say, if Yujiro only has talents to predict human muscle movements, then he will only be able to do that in the match Even if...

vsbattles.com

The match didn't work out because of a mismatch, not because an earlier version of Yujiro couldn't be used, so that's not a valid argument.

Boros might scale to it as the commander believes not one, but all of the cannons should be used against a being that can defeat Boros. He could scale to one of the cannons maybe :d

This is an interesting perspective to have, and if we can get a certain distance between the spacecraft and Earth, we can get an AP value and reaction speed for the alien.

Edit: Assuming baseline 5-B, we have a value of 4,246 Zettatons, due to having 14 confirmed beams.

 

[Recon1511]

I don't know why we are having this discussion at all, it's simply not how things are done in the website.

 

[EnderLord8]

bump

 

[Arkenis]

Voting Saitama

 

[AThe1412]

According to our profiles and the CTR (counter-rate) he had, a different Saitama each day has different strength because he's able to one-shot his previous day's version, so I wouldn't say his power is stagnant according to our profiles.

And you are aware that a oneshot gap doesn't automatically equal a tier jump, especially for tiers as wide and encompassing as 4-A and 3-C, yes? Also...

• Even if a character has the potential to reach a certain tier, the use of any tier between that tier and the one it scales to is not allowed. For example, Avatar of Calamity cannot be used in a vs thread with a tier between High 7-A and 2-A or Unknown and 2-A depending on the used key.

One of the very first rules of match creation by the way.

The match didn't work out because of a mismatch, not because an earlier version of Yujiro couldn't be used, so that's not a valid argument.

How do you know? Does our rules say that's allowed?

 

[Arkansalter2]

Spoiler: OPM S3 Spoilers

The fight happened in the anime btw with Saitama just slamming.