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The Best Character in the Big 3 enters Tier 5 (Naruto Top Tiers Verse Wide Revision)

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Hello everyone, happy new year/near year’s eve, We are ending off this year with Top Tiers Revision & Obito Glaze! Calculations and Scaling Chains have been reworked from ground up, Obito’s profile justification especially, I’d also like to use this opportunity to introduce his newly overhauled profile courtesy of Alt, (Also the perfect time to publish this thread since we got an Obito animation video from Naruto Mobile Hehe) with allat being said let’s dig into the meat and potatoes!

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Calculations​

Scaling Notes​

Attack Potency / Striking Strength / Durability Sandbox​

Obito's New Profile​

Special Thanks to Net David Kay Test and sparkle especially for the back & forth discussions with scaling chains, Kay did the wonderful renders in Obito’s profile, with Alt doing most of the work fixing Obitos profile & Thanks to Floxy for helping evaluate so many calcs in time, Kay & Sparkle also helped with a lot of the sandbox dirtywork


Agree :
Disagree :
Neutral :

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Madara got ping pong by the tailed beasts and got up fine though iirc he was bleeding a bit. I dont remember though if it was Madara w/ no eyes
 
Kurama Avatar Minato being a thousand times stronger than Kurama's + Gyuki's combined charged Biju Bomb is a bit strange.



But aside from any scaling quibbles, the main thing I'm uncertain about is Obito's Moon level calculation. It doesn't seem like the right method to me, which I commented back on the Calc Group thread that was posted earlier. If most Calc Group Members are fine with it, then it's fine, but that's my only major concern currently.
 
Damage3245 said:
Kurama Avatar Minato being a thousand times stronger than Kurama's + Gyuki's combined charged Biju Bomb is a bit strange.
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The kurama gyuki feat was via high tiers, mkcm2 is accepted to be top tier and minato is in that range
Damage3245 said:
But aside from any scaling quibbles, the main thing I'm uncertain about is Obito's Moon level calculation. It doesn't seem like the right method to me, which I commented back on the Calc Group thread that was posted earlier. If most Calc Group Members are fine with it, then it's fine, but that's my only major concern currently.
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Well I responded to you explaining why it is valid and I didn't get any responses back & then Floxy affirmed what I said later in the thread so I moved on
MinatoSparkle said:
Minato smoking that Hashirama pack fr 🗣️🔥
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TERRORISM, it shoulda been itachi getting this upscale smh
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Well I responded to you explaining why it is valid and I didn't get any responses back & then Floxy affirmed what I said later in the thread so I moved on
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Right, I kinda forgot about that thread. I'll try and confer with some other calc experts; it might be that my concerns aren't that big a deal here. I won't try to hold up the thread.

Ghostimuscrime said:
The kurama gyuki feat was via high tiers, mkcm2 is accepted to be top tier and minato is in that range
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That kind of terminology doesn't really mean anything to me tbh. What makes someone a "high tier" and someone a "top tier" is a little bit arbitrary.
 
Kaydee1648 said:
I’ll take fr-ish
btw what’s your stance on the thread
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I've yet to really read everything cause I've got a deadline in a few days that's eating up my time, but I guess to share my preliminary thoughts:
  • I'm okay with High 6-A Top tiers, that's pretty based imo.
  • Obito's profile looks great, but I have some minor issues that I might bring up if Net doesn't first.
  • I'll leave the validity of the calc to the experts since that's not my lane, but I'm not really convinced by people scaling to the 5-C calc.

Again, don't count this as an official evaluation or anything; I've yet to actually read the revision in earnest.
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slayer was doing it iirc so ima let him cook as long as his fingers dont touch imgur again
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Yeah, the Madara profile, chakra stuff, and JJ immortality stuff are my top priorities when I get back into Wrath's basement. As is figuring out an alternative to imgur 💀
 
Great thread, i always believed obito was narratively implied to be much closer to the sage of six paths in power.

I do have a question with his white mask profile tho. Why is it only 6B when he’s tanked 2 rasengans from kcm2 naruto?
 
Before I get into discussing that specific calc a bit later there are a couple of things I noticed about the Obito profile, skimming through it.

  • Justification for the Katon in Teen Obito's first key needed (especially since we have that 2x statement for Katon, that could work.)
  • Teen Obito's LS says Superhuman, Class M. Is this supposed to be a possible/likely? or a higher rating for a specific technique. It seems like the former, so that probably needs to be fixed.
  • A justification and reference for Obito's second key being unknown would be nice, especially since we have the statement of his body being weaker at the time. As well as something for his Katon and Mokuton.
  • Masked Man Obito has a "higher with Kurama" that should be "High 6-A with Kurama" by the logic of the CRT.
  • Masked Man Obito has "At least Class M, Class T" LS. Is this supposed to be another possibility?
  • DMS Obito's justifications need a lot more fleshing out; it says possibly 5-B but doesn't have a base rating. and should outline that the damage Kakashi did was via Raikiri (tbh, given how Kakashi did this by a Kamui-infused Raikiri, Obito should be downscaled rather than fully scaled to it.
  • gross anime PFP on the front instead of the nice manga PFP that Kaydee rendered for a manga profile😔
 
Godernet said:
Masked Man Obito has "At least Class M, Class T" LS. Is this supposed to be another possibility?
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No he’s supposed to be Class T
I noticed this too when i skimmed over, thought it to be a minor error that can be fixed so i didn’t bother
 
Ghostimuscrime said:
Hello everyone, happy new year/near year’s eve, We are ending off this year with Top Tiers Revision & Obito Glaze! Calculations and Scaling Chains have been reworked from ground up, Obito’s profile justification especially, I’d also like to use this opportunity to introduce his newly overhauled profile courtesy of Alt, (Also the perfect time to publish this thread since we got an Obito animation video from Naruto Mobile Hehe) with allat being said let’s dig into the meat and potatoes!

IMG-2934.jpg

Calculations​

Scaling Notes​

Attack Potency / Striking Strength / Durability Sandbox​

Obito's New Profile​

Special Thanks to Net David Kay Test and sparkle especially for the back & forth discussions with scaling chains, Kay did the wonderful renders in Obito’s profile, with Alt doing most of the work fixing Obitos profile & Thanks to Floxy for helping evaluate so many calcs in time, Kay & Sparkle also helped with a lot of the sandbox dirtywork


Agree : Saqphire
Disagree :
Neutral :

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Terrible thread we all know Obito is large planetary in base(jk)
 
Nice work
Some things i noticed though:
  • Under his Tobi key, there's no need to mention him blocking suigetsu's attack. Adding a 7-B justification to a 6-B rating just bloats the page unnecessarily
  • Why is his Power Null in JJ key layered? The justification doesn't explain that
  • There's no need for a "possibly" rating for his spatial manipulation/creation in JJ key. The statement is as straightforward as it gets.
  • His Multiple Selves doesn't qualify for type 1 in that key
  • Disagree with Limited Transmutation & Petrification. It relies on a whole lot of outside factors to be properly considered an ability for obito. Not a hill i'll die on anyway
  • Disagree with Healing. That ability requires one to, well, heal injuries. The linked scan is talking about recovering chakra reserves
  • Disagree with Damage reduction. Naruto's durability gets a boost with SM. Damage reduction would be if base naruto managed to reduce the damage his body would normally take from an attack WITHOUT his dura increasing at all. Also, that's not a pain manipulation ability. It's just pain tolerance, ergo, stamina
  • Disagree with his resistance to curse marks via hashirama cells. That's Zetsu of all people. It shouldn't be something that applies to all HC users. Yamato is basically made up of hashirama cells and he still couldn't get rid of Danzo's Cursed Seal
    • Also, he wouldn't be getting resistance to all those abilities anyway.
  • "Power Nullification (Black Receiver are able to negate high ranking ninjutsus such as Sasuke's Amaterasu amped Susanoo Arrow.)" huh
The rest are fine with me
For the AP revision, let me see what it'll look like after you've finished working on it
Nice one, guys
 
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Will let Alt defend the hax stuff, Suigetsus line should stay imo, a profile should index the scaling avenues even if it’s from the lower tier, it’s job is to index a characters’s feats after all
 
Testarossa002 said:
Nice work
Some things i noticed though:
  • Under his Tobi key, there's no need to mention him blocking suigetsu's attack. Adding a 7-B justification to a 6-B rating just bloats the page unnecessarily
  • Why is his Power Null in JJ key layered? The justification doesn't explain that
  • There's no need for a "possibly" rating for his spatial manipulation/creation in JJ key. The statement is as straightforward as it gets.
  • His Multiple Selves doesn't qualify for type 1 in that key
  • Disagree with Limited Transmutation & Petrification. It relies on a whole lot of outside factors to be properly considered an ability for obito. Not a hill i'll die on anyway
  • Disagree with Healing. That ability requires one to, well, heal injuries. The linked scan is talking about recovering chakra reserves
  • Disagree with Damage reduction. Naruto's durability gets a boost with SM. Damage reduction would be if base naruto managed to reduce the damage his body would normally take from an attack WITHOUT his dura increasing at all. Also, that's not a pain manipulation ability. It's just pain tolerance, ergo, stamina
  • Disagree with his resistance to curse marks via hashirama cells. That's Zetsu of all people. It shouldn't be something that applies to all HC users. Yamato is basically made up of hashirama cells and he still couldn't get rid of Danzo's Cursed Seal
    • Also, he wouldn't be getting resistance to all those abilities anyway.
  • "Power Nullification (Black Receiver are able to negate high ranking ninjutsus such as Sasuke's Amaterasu amped Susanoo Arrow.)" huh
The rest are fine with me
For the AP revision, let me see what it'll look like after you've finished working on it
Nice one, guys
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Testarossa002 said:
Why is his Power Null in JJ key layered? The justification doesn't explain that
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It’s from the BR powernull, though I am not appose to removing it
Testarossa002 said:
  • There's no need for a "possibly" rating for his spatial manipulation/creation in JJ key. The statement is as straightforward as it gets.
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Sure
Testarossa002 said:
  • His Multiple Selves doesn't qualify for type 1 in that key
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He still has the collection of the tailed beasts mind inside of him
Testarossa002 said:
  • Disagree with Limited Transmutation & Petrification. It relies on a whole lot of outside factors to be properly considered an ability for obito. Not a hill i'll die on anyway
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The ten tails is a collection of nature energy, and in order to be able to control the power of your respective tailed beasts you need to take control of their chakra (in this case nature energy) and mix it with your own chakra
Testarossa002 said:
  • Disagree with Healing. That ability requires one to, well, heal injuries. The linked scan is talking about recovering chakra reserves
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The scan is faulty I’ll have that changed. Here’s a better one
Testarossa002 said:
  • Disagree with Damage reduction. Naruto's durability gets a boost with SM. Damage reduction would be if base naruto managed to reduce the damage his body would normally take from an attack WITHOUT his dura increasing at all. Also, that's not a pain manipulation ability. It's just pain tolerance, ergo, stamina
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Sage mode “activates” one’s body in order to achieve these effects. Hence reducing the effects done by sharp or blunt objects
Testarossa002 said:
  • Disagree with his resistance to curse marks via hashirama cells. That's Zetsu of all people. It shouldn't be something that applies to all HC users. Yamato is basically made up of hashirama cells and he still couldn't get rid of Danzo's Cursed Seal
    • Also, he wouldn't be getting resistance to all those abilities anyway.
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Resistance to hashi cells were accepted in another CRT.

Firstly, the fundamental way both of these things work is very different and so cannot be equalized with one another simply due to same names. Orochimaru CM works via implanting his conscience that in turn starts taking in nature energy due to it being cultivated from Jugo enzymes while Danzo one is a standard sealing jutsu, they are in completely different ball park.

Secondly, the zetsu are victims of the previous IT and hence did not posses any of Hashirama cells qualities, only when Madara started cultivating Hashirama cells with the Gedo Statue that black zetsu modify them with Hashirama cells and slowly released them from the Gedo Statue making Madara believed that it’s a defective byproduct of hashi cells cultivation. So they are as hashi cell imbued as any other Hashi cell users and hence should be able to replicate the resistance done by Guru Guru
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This was not me but someone else who got it accepted in another CRT
 
Happy new year guys

Not to be that guy, but with this calc
I'm like 80% sure that if we don't see a specific technique go off, we'd assume a lower interpretation for safety purposes

Like instead of it cratering the entirety of the land of fire or something, we'd usually do something like "explosion calc with country as the radius", something like Etherion

Even if it's usually shown to crater things like it does here, we'd have to assume something like that. Saying that it's going to make a crater as deep as a fifth of the earth needs a lot of proof on top of that. That's just it for me.

Now I don't intend to really evaluate the rest due to my intense biases at play so I'm just not going to give a bias vote, but I had to speak on that
 
KingTempest said:
Happy new year guys

Not to be that guy, but with this calc
I'm like 80% sure that if we don't see a specific technique go off, we'd assume a lower interpretation for safety purposes

Like instead of it cratering the entirety of the land of fire or something, we'd usually do something like "explosion calc with country as the radius", something like Etherion

Even if it's usually shown to crater things like it does here, we'd have to assume something like that. Saying that it's going to make a crater as deep as a fifth of the earth needs a lot of proof on top of that. That's just it for me.
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I get this issue but I feel like switching over to explosion formula robs the feat a little too much below the feats the characters naturally produce, though if you want I can switch the current calc with one that accounts solely for the surface with average elevation to get volume since we know that much would be wiped out by ten tails bijuubombs
 
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