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You are simply ignoring how the description of the feat is made because the end result is something different.
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The Mah-vel Unfawking Thread Step Three: I Came Back with Milk
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The value for creating portals is not fixed and cannot be calculated, which is why we have a description of the feat which tells us that.
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Dude is this ragebait or are you deadass right now? Actual answer, my respect for you is dependent on this.
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**** it sure, I'll play along.
Or even theoretical portals. Go wild. I just need a tangible scale.
It varies? If it does then can you give me an instance of the joule value of any real world portal? Doesn't matter which, can be any of them, I'll let you pick yourself.
Or even theoretical portals. Go wild. I just need a tangible scale.
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If an hammer is described as having enough power to destroy the planet, will you argue that the direct statement is wrong because a real hammer cannot destroy a planet? The description given gives us statements that can be used to reach a value in joules. For example both explosions state to release nova bright flares which clearly as per the comic release heat so calculating that is a value in joules that came from "opening a portal".
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Replace hammer with magic spell. We know tangibly what a hammer can do, we do not know what a magic spell can do. Repeat the question for me again with that change.
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Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if it's magic or physical, anything described as having a stated power has it, it's why we have characters scale from creation feats.
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Also portals are not a real thing. I am not even remotely arguing "portals that exist in real world are not like that", YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE who is saying portals exist in real world. They don't exist at all.
Description tells us:
This is the nicest, most comprehensive way I can explain this to you, I hope you understand now and stop hoarding the thread. I'm moving on regardless.
Description tells us:
- The portal teleports away matter to another dimension
- The " energy implosion" caused by the explosion creates portals between matter to teleport them into another dimension (NO MENTION OF FRAGGING. Also implosions aren't explosions)
- Nova flames aren't a real thing and means nothing. Also can be a byproduct which is not what the main function of the doomsday device is (Obvious considering the literal first thing they always seem to mention is the teleportation mechanic). So literal nothing states the fires are the 5-B component
- The portals alone, assuming they are given enough range without interruption for the destruction scenario, would be able to destroy the earth: Their teleportation mechanic is seemingly fractured as opposed to taking the matter wholly, so earth on the other side would be fragmented. This also fits the inconsistent ranges of the event in future runs, and even fits the incineration visual. Unfortunately for you, destruction of the world in this way is entirely fantastical and will not give any tier whatsoever, since energy for "teleportation via portal" is a fictional happenstance with no backing in physics, therefore no joule value can be assigned to it. It's magic in science's guise. If a wizard uses "magical energies he never saw before" to turn the world into gold, he has effectively destroyed the world, AND did it though non-scaleable means, even if there was a implication there was some sort of energy exchange. Warp energies are just as real a concept as magical energy. In these instances there are gaps irreconcilable via real-world physics, and as such we can't scale them.
- Even if this was all correct, Carol would still not scale because the intended use of the energy was to teleport her, which she resisted. Teleportation resists aren't durability.
This is the nicest, most comprehensive way I can explain this to you, I hope you understand now and stop hoarding the thread. I'm moving on regardless.
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Again ignoring descriptions.
They are, we literally have a calc for that for Human Torch that calculates the energy in form of heat that is released by his flames.
No one mentioned "using teleport mechanics to fracture or fragment earth, actually it's specifically stated the energy will "ravage" the world like atomic tests did his.
Clearly it's intended for planet destroying energy to destroy the world not a teleportation mechanic or whatever.
That case is a different thing turning things to gold is transmutation there will be energy to matter exchange it's really hard to calculate but not impossible.
Again, the description of both talk about how the energy is released by the crystal in form of energy which then twist space and create a portal, she was on the middle when the energy was released which then twists space creating a portal, it's the same logic of how Black holes are created because the star is so dense that twists space and time creating a black hole the creation of the black hole doesn't stop the star from having star level energy before it collapses into a black hole.
That's your problem, this wasn't even the only feat I brought relative to the carvorite crystals and you haven't brough anything about the others.
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We can move on, yes, but please try to be nicer in your tone.
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I'd have a better tone if the thread had active staff participation and it wasn't me having to explain certain people the same point across two pages, but I digress.
Anyways I'll try to compile a list of what's accepted so far tomorrow. Goal is to finish this thread as soon as possible, we've been going at this for months so I assume whatever we get is as good as it gets.
Anyways I'll try to compile a list of what's accepted so far tomorrow. Goal is to finish this thread as soon as possible, we've been going at this for months so I assume whatever we get is as good as it gets.
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Was the Quasar stuff accepted?
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I think the difference there is that there is an in-universe statement regarding the power it requires. That calc is specific to the Pacific Rim verse. In Marvel Comics, we have no idea the level of energy needed to open a portal.
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Please remind us what you are referring to.
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This thing.
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Quasar doesn't have a page is the issue, I think he straight up scales herald over bruiser
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From Fantastic Four Volume 1 Issue 232, Johnny's Nova Flame is comparable to an exploding star. There's more statements for this too, iirc
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Technically, that's a 4-A feat according to Sentry's profile.
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Sentry’s statement is a million exploding stars vs a single one.
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Aren't a million exploding stars (Sentry) a 4-B feat and a single exploding star a High 4-C feat?
Sentry's profile states the following:
"In the Marvel Universe the explosion of one Sun is capable of obliterating multiple solar systems"
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- Nova destroys an Empire State Building-sized asteroid - I dunno, maybe Low 7-B
- Firebrand's explosion - Low 7-B+
- Mindless Ones can damage ship that can withstand 200 Megaton meteor impacts - 7-A
- Mandarin causes an earthquake - High 6-C
- Captain Marvel destroys a meteor - High 6-C
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Question: is it possible to scale certain characters to lower end feats of some heralds if those characters make statements of them being comparable to those held-back heralds and have witnessed them performing those lower end feats?
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Huh, that is a little odd, yeah. Not sure if I would say that those statements give a complete blanket baseline, though. Might have to revise that sometime….
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That's Modern Captain Marvel her power varies up to Galaxy so it's useless since no one can scale from that.
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He's really exerting himself to pull this feat and his 5-B rating comes from an encounter with a Hulk where he's stomped lol
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There's the already accepted 6-B moon explosion calc that Doom scales to
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That standard needs to be very consistent for us to follow it, as it is highly illogical.
Yes. I do not think that we should base our blanket baseline based on that. It seems very unreliable.
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I guess so, though technically Supernova (i.e. real world "exploding suns/stars") already far surpass a star's typical GBE. And it's not like this could be used to upscale star destruction feats, it would only replace typical "supernova" feats if used.That standard needs to be very consistent for us to follow it, as it is highly illogical.
Yes. I do not think that we should base our blanket baseline based on that. It seems very unreliable.
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I did find some old calcs/feats that might be worth looking at (or redoing):
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Anyways I think if the Doom feat checks out, we're looking at a High 6-C+/6-B downscale with the rest as supporting non-limiter feats
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Captain Marvel's High 6-A feat is still valid.
And you haven't said anything about her 5-B explosion.
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Darvel DOMics: Doom durability
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It did knock him out but didn't hurt his armor IIRC, so downscaling to baseline 6-B (7 teratons) from the 18 teraton calc would make sense
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