Maybe they are talking about Bankai Yamamoto’s full power which we never saw defeated on screen. So far nobody scales to Bankai Yamamoto. Also Hogyoku Aizen scales to Soul King level God because databook says so.
No, there's a 17-month time difference between the Fullbring arc and the Arrancar arc. I think you don't know that SAFWY is after the Arrancar saga and before the Fullbring arc. The Fullbring arc is the Lost Agent Shinigami arc.
No, the statement refers to the holding back shikai Yamamoto during Rukia's execution. Shunsui is comparing the heat of Tokinada's flames to Yamamoto's flames and says Yamamoto's were hotter.
The exaggerated point would be the characters going from tier 6 to tier 5 in such a short time. It wouldn't be such an exaggeration if it started with Zommari.
Lanza del Relampago is scalable. Because even Vasto Lord Ichigo uses partial resurrection to destroy it. Although it's not very clear in the anime due to lighting, it's more understandable in the manga. Also, Orihime can restore the Soi Fon arm destroyed by Baraggan's Respira, but she can't heal the wound Ulquiorra inflicted on Ichigo's chest with Cero Oscuars. This is a matter of power, because Ulquiorra told her that her power wasn't enough to heal it.
I meant a year not two years my bad, a year as also passed since the events of the arrancar saga in the novels as well. Also we shouldn't compare hollows AD with Soul reapers AD. Hollows get stronger by devouring other hollows unlike soul reapers and training. The piccaro is even more crazy because the get more numbers becoming stronger and they were trapped with plenty hollows under heuco mondo.
Its not a few months, a year has passed, gimme a sec to find a scan
Wait a minute, were we talking about Picaro's AD? I mentioned that Byakuya's power wouldn't increase that much.
There are no characters going from tier 6 to tier 5 in a short time, some characters are already tier 5 in the arrancar arc.
Restoring an arm isn't the same as restoring a hole through where your heart is suppose to be, there is even the possibility of soul reaper organs(forgotten the name) being affected
Byakuya was already low 5B in the arrancar arc tho, since he along with Kenpachi kills yammy who would be low 5B as well.
I mean she REALLY did want to bring Ichigo back to life, and her power is based on her conviction. Cus who wouldn't want to bring your best friend back. Yet wasn't able to...
I mean yeah, but I don't get your point.
In that the Spiritual Pressure from Ulquiorra's Lanza is higher than Baraggan's Respira. Though as before Respira is pure hax, so not really much to go off of there.
It wasn't mentioned that regenerating an arm is more difficult than regenerating a hole in the chest. Also, I recall that when regenerating Menoly's wounds, he was able to repair wounds on a large part of the body, including the chest.
But those who are already Tier 5 are characters like Aizen and Yamamoto, at a level that others can't reach.
I think Byakuya's feats with Yammy are outliers, but the bigger problem is that Yammy loses without even being able to fight them when he's in his peak form. As described in the short story "Nestle to Night," he collapses from exhaustion due to rage. So he doesn't directly lose to Zaraki and Byakuya.
Not really, via cien's statements, barragan would age lanza so fast before it reaches him which makes barragan have the higher reaistu in this case.
And why are we using orihime to scale characters, her powers are dependent on her mental state, she nearly went insane seeing ichigo get a hole blown threw his body. We can't use that as a comparison to every other instance where she is at her best.
How are they outliers exactly? We literally see him injured and seriously beaten. They scale.
Shunsui, bankai Bkakuya, Starkk with wolves, 2nd form yammy, Barragan's Respira and kenpachi post yammy fight all scale
I’m not even sure all these people would scale, but I’ll wait for your thread.
You misunderstand, the calc comes from the sawfy piccaro not cien but who scales to it is dependent on cien's own words. He says only starkk wolves, Yammy physicals and Baraggan's Respira can surpass the gran rey cero he unleashes on roka in the entire hueco mondo including the piccaro Black hole. Which means those abilities are stronger and anyone stronger than those abilities are stronger as well.
How? Cien wouldn't make empty boasting even if he was doing that. He has very high in depth information on every hollow and arrancar in heuco mondo.
Why wouldn't she try to save the man she loves with her best performance when he's dying? Besides, her emotional state increases the strength of the barriers. There's no indication that her ability to heal others' bodies has increased. It was specifically shown that she had a mental amp in the Yhwach fight. And Orihime received a mental amp while Ulquiorra was in base form.
The reason it's considered an outlier isn't actually because of this. Reaching Yammy level from Zommari level in a single day would be an outlier, especially considering he used a 2x amp Senkei to match Bankai Ichigo in the Soul Society arc. There's also not much more than four months between the Soul Society and Arrancar arcs. He also struggles against Tsukishima in the Fullbring arc. Tsukishima is weaker than CFYOW Base Grimmjow, and Grimmjow has never been stronger than Baraggan or, as a dolly, stronger than Yammy.
How is Shunsui going to scale up? Starrk doesn't use his wolves against Shunsui. He did in the anime, but the anime has a lower canon level than the manga. Also, after using the wolves, Starrk's soul splits, meaning the Starrk Shunsui defeated was an off-guard, nerfed Starrk, and even he was defeated with Hax. Even the non-serious Starrk's Cero took Shunsui out of action. The Databook confirms that Starrk wasn't serious until Baraggan died.
Yes, Eye Patch Zaraki <= 60% Cien
Because her powers depend on her mental state, she wouldn't be at her best performance when she is literally shown to almost loose her mind if ichigo hadn't woken up. She isn't at her peak here.
So? 4 months is enough time to go from Country to Small planet level, if you are trying to use kisuke as an example. He is going from country to MSS.
Because tsukishima knows his weaknesses and strengths and can bypass durability lol. Not because he was too strong for byakuya.
kubo was involved in the fake karakura town arc scripts in the anime and the databooks says Shunsui in shikai surpasses starkk's power, which is clearly in his profile.
doesn't matter, databooks says shunsui is superior.
You realise shunsui was PRETENDING right? Thats why Lisa kicks his ass and that shunsui was off-guarded as well.
Is that supposed to be less than or equal to ≤?
He's losing his mind because he can't fix Ichigo. It's not that he can't fix him because he's lost his mind.
I disagree that Kisuke scales Aizen in his Zanpakuto Ap, but even if you accept that, you could say Kisuke is regaining his past power because he's rusted. And you mentioned that this could be the case when we discussed it before.
I think you forgot how Tsukishima's ability works. For him to enter someone's memories, he first needs to stab the person with his sword. This means he already had enough AP to hit Byakuya even before training with him. So, Byakuya took damage from a weaker character than CFYOW Base Grimmjow.
We've discussed this before. The word "overcome" in this expression doesn't mean becoming stronger. It can also be used if you're defeating someone. This means overcoming an obstacle.
Why would Shunsui reduce his durability when Ukitake is being pierced by Wonderweiss? You know what off-guard is, right? The character is already aware of being in combat and is attacking Wonderweiss.
Yes, less than or equal to:
Where is Mayuri's statement?
This is not a counter, she was already shown to have a mental argument even before she started healing ichigo. This is false.
I am following wiki scaling, its not whether about you agree or not.
By this logic tsukishima will scale to true shikai ichigo lol. His sword can bypass durability my guy.
Byakuya from the fight was obviously the stronger opponent, the only reason the fight was a tough one was because of his abilities not AP.
We haven't discussed that before, the wiki already accepts unless you make a CRT proving your case. Then I will follow with what the wiki says.
There is nothing about serious or not, not being serious doesn't limit your attack potency. Again shunsui tanked that attack.
He did not take damage and he was off-guarded.
Imma need you to prove this.
This is baseless chain scaling that is soo false as hell. Arrancar arc zaraki until after the fight with nniotara isn't stronger than shunsui.
Yes attacking wonderweiss, not expecting an attack from another character and he doesn't get hurt by the attack either.
Huh?
It's found towards the end of the novel.
I should make an argument for Kenpachi’s gaining a 50 times amp from removing his post safwy eye patch. Since the previous one in sawfy gave him a bankai level (5) times boost and the new is one is 10 times nerfed.
Can you show me the panel? I can't remember it.
Ichigo was off-guard and had already taken a lot of hits from Yhwach. No, Tsukishima doesn't scale up to him in terms of power. At worst, I'd call him an outlier. Besides, Tsukishima's ability to outmaneuver Byakuya throughout the fight isn't something that would qualify as an outlier. Byakuya had to lower his guard to defeat him.
On what basis exactly are you saying Byakuya isn't a low-level captain? The evidence used to support Byakuya's claim of strength is:
We discussed this in the Fullbring Ichigo downgrade CRT. Naeobito also argued that Starrk > Shikai Shunsui. Unlike me, Naeobito ONLY argued that Shikai Shunsui was weaker than Starrk in the FKT arc.
We've seen many times in the series that attacks can be weaker when they're not taken seriously.
Do you watch Shikai Ukitake vs Mue fights? They're relative, and Eye Patch Zaraki easily defeats Mue. Against Nnoitra, the eye patch fell off. While Nnoitra scales into a stronger Zaraki form, Mue gets one-shotted by a weaker Zaraki form. And Mue is Shikai Ukitake level.
Why would my durability decrease when attacking Wonderweiss? You didn't understand the Shinji-Tosen example I gave. You're arguing that durability decreases when you're off-guard. Yes, it does decrease, but characters should guard when attacking someone, even if they don't know someone is attacking them. Attacking Wonderweiss =/= I only have durability that tanks Wonderweiss's attacks; my durability is low against others. This only explains why I don't react to the speed of other attacks. It doesn't answer why I can't withstand them.
Where does it say that the previous eye patch weakened its power to Bankai level (5x)?
Calling something an outlier isn't an argument, also according to his profile, the book of the end allows him to match his opponents and thats how he got to Byakuya's level.
That was KS, he didn't hit Aizen. There is no sign of the wounds at the end of their fight.
This is all debunked by Aizen using KS and Tsukishima's having RE via the book of the end which allowed him to match byakuya his profile supports this.
With the book of the end increasing his stats yes and he still scales to grimjoww.
He doesn't scale to byakuya in this wiki.
Because he is the fastest espada, so he obviously he would be able to react.
Nope he doesn't, he is the slowest espada lol.
Via the databooks rating of the captains, byakuya and Shunsui are comparable with shunsui being a bit stronger.
Okay?
I am not even gonna counter this because this wiki, the conclusion on the manga amongst other things debunk your point.
Base Grimmjow doesn't scale to his gran rey cero, because it is 10 times stronger than he is even his ressurecion is weaker than his gran rey cero unless he using grc or his signature attack in his res form.
I didn't say it didn't happen, I said he isn't stronger.
Ikomikidomoe talks about prime barragan that he knows and barragan still has crazy hax that grimjoww can't counter. We also read all espadas including grimjoww putting the paws and harming Ikomikomodoe in his final form while hikone is fighting zaraki. So at best they are all relative.
Cyfow base grimjoww isn't stronger than base Tsukishima, he is only stronger with a 10× amp which doesn't scale to his physicals.
And nothing changed his profile that literally states, he surpasses the full power of starkk.
You would have to prove starkk wasn't taking shunsui seriously, he literally was forcing him to use bankai and he off guarded him with intent to finish him. Unless you provide proof of otherwise this is a fact.
Huh? I need scans of all this because I don't recall mue fighting ukitake. The only ukitake canon fights i can remember is him vs aareneiro in rukia's flashback and him fighting starkks other half.
I don't need to, the profile agrees with it already. And the anime being secondary canon shows him surviving starkks ceros.
The attack still didn't do anything to him, he was pretending. Lisa proves this but thanks for explaining further I didn't really understand before.
Azashiro likens his power up to a bankai level increase when he removes his eye patch in safwy.
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To use the Book of the End, he needs to hit him, or instead of hitting him, he needs to stab him with the sword without inflicting damage, as Orihime did. How can he do the same thing against Byakuya, who is trying to kill him, as he did with Orihime? To prove it, you need to prove that you can blitz Byakuya's perception speed, just like Orihime did with her perception speed.
I repeat, to use this ability, you need to either cut the target beforehand or, like in the Orihime scene, just touch them with the sword without inflicting damage. You need to prove that you touched Byakuya without inflicting damage.
That's a flawed interpretation. To defeat Zommari, he needs to activate his Bankai. There isn't a huge difference between Byakuya's shikai and his Bankai.
He's not the fastest Espada in terms of raw speed. The term "fastest Espada" refers to his ability to use Sonido. Senbonzakura doesn't use Sonido when reacting to Goukei. He activates his Shell form before Goukei can reach him. So, this isn't something he does with Sonido speed.
I'm not talking about travel speed. I'm talking about attack and reaction speed. If the Espada is the slowest in terms of attack and reaction speed, how can they injure Zaraki and Byakuya? How can their attacks reach them? And according to this logic, Espada number 0 can't defeat/kill any other Espada because they're too slow...
What exactly refutes the statement on Nestle to Night?
Databook statements aren't always consistent. Renji has a score close to Byakuya's.
Great, even if you calculate 10x, Grimmjow is still weaker than Yammy from Baraggan.
I misread it, sorry.
I hadn't mentioned this statement, but it also can't be proven that the young Baraggan that Ikomikidomoe knew was stronger than Yammy. When Cien talks about the strongest Arrancar abilities, he includes Respira, thinking of the greatest Baraggan of all time.
He can fight both Base Ginjo and Tsukishima at the same time, and I'm not saying he's 10x stronger without GRC. The fact that he scales to him shows he'll scale to TLAS Byakuya as well.
Starrk, whose soul is split, is defeated by Shunsui using the game's hax. Starrk is nerfed because his soul is split, and Shunsui defeats him with the game's hax. In a game, anyone can beat anyone else according to the rules. Therefore, being able to defeat Starrk during the game doesn't give him any AP stat.
The databook states that Starrk became serious when his friends were involved. Baraggan was fighting Shunsui before he died. The manga refers to Baraggan as a friend. The statement in the databook proves that Starrk wasn't serious before Baraggan's death.
The profile also includes a scan indicating that his power has increased. It says that those who have been captains for a long time don't experience power increases. He needs to be in the same tier in SS, Arrancar Saga, TYBW, and CFYOW. The profile is incorrect. For example, despite the scan not increasing power, a value 5x higher than before has been assigned.
If the character isn't taking damage, why does he fall after the attack hits him? The part where Lisa mentioned he was joking was when he pretended to be dead. I'm not saying the character is taking so much damage he can't get up. He's just taking damage.
If he says so, then it's usable.
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