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Well, the neutral space contains all 12 Universes, so it would be much larger than all 12 Universes and their dimensions. I think low 1-C at minimum (just a supposition from my own head)
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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread
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It was not accepted, it was tied, and we decided to close it before it was accepted or rejected.No, rather, the Dragon Ball universe is infinite, and this has already been accepted on this forum.
You can review this thread:
『INFINITE UNIVERSE IN DRAGON BALL SUPER』
I'll be simple and direct here: The Dragon Ball Universe is cited several times as having an Infinite Universe both in extension and in "base" size the only contradictions in this exist (as far as i can remember) ONLY in the anime, where Super Shenlong is invoked and we catch a glimpse of the...vsbattles.com
Therefore, the universe in Dragon Ball itself, not in the games, is indeed infinite.
There is a substantial amount of evidence supporting this, and it has already been approved.
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What are counterarguments for Bulma saying that universe has a center and an edge?
Hellformer
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I think this argument is pretty solid to upscale the neutral space to 5-D, or upgrading the verse as a whole to Infinite 6-D.
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Bulma's word is not the ultimate authority when it comes to the universe, and the Earth is on the edge of the galaxy, not the universe. Bulma is strongly refuted by Jaco, and it took help from Sheron and an omniscient being to come up with ideas about the Super Spheres.
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@ProfectusInfinity you haven't touched the verse in a while, do us a favour and give us something about 6D.
Hellformer
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I can make the CRT myself if there's a general consensus from all DB supporters.
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Killerdrone123
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Nuh uh
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It's fine with me if you want to do it, anyone else against doing this?
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The universe of the Dragon World is either "perfectly" spherical, as is described by numerous databooks and depicted both in-universe and in official, supplementary material; or toroidal, as is suggested by sketches within Bulma's blueprints for the Time Machine—both of which have connected topology; as in, rather than expanding outward infinitely like a flat plane does, the space within a sphere or a torus simply curves in on itself, creating a finite boundary. Also, a sphere, as a result of having a positive curvature, is inherently finite.
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There is also the case of Kaioshin planet being 1/10 of size of the universe.
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True!
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Yes, you can see it in the image itself, where it is demonstrated that the earth is on an edge of a galaxy and in the background several other galaxies, and when Goku is about to teleport, Goku leaves the same place galaxy where Earth was located, and also during the DBS Broly film, where you can clearly see that the Earth is in this galaxy, and also Akira Toriyama's script regarding the Freeza film, where it is mentioned that the earth is on the edge of a galaxy, in addition to Jaco refuting Bulma about everything her crazy theory, in addition, help is needed from the Sheron who has knowledge about the Universe and does not even know about such a centre or spheres,he couldn't even find this centre or super spheres, kind of like she needed help from Zuno to learn about the dragon balls.
In summary: Bulma talks a lot of nonsense.
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It's a shame, but Dragon Ball Universes is no longer available in bubble format here, so your point is moot
Back to the beginning
The new DBS map is just the Observed Living Universe, that's all, it doesn't contain all the other realms, so it shouldn't be accepted as being absolute for the macrocosm, because this map only represents the Observed Living Universe. Ah but Luffy how can you know that this map is just the...
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That is a separate dimension, unrelated to the size of the conventional universe.
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Can we not
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It's not 1/10 size of the universe. The Kaioshin realm is 1/10 of size of both Afterlife and mortal universe, but not Kaioshin' planet
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Even infinite universe can have an edge, also by that logic even Toei(it was stated that Kaioshin realm is on the edge of the universe) and Games universes are finite
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I am more ready to believe that animators just had no idea how to draw the universe, so they drew galaxies. Same situation was in TTGL where author said they wanted to draw universes, but galaxies were easier to draw. Especially when text on your screenshots also mention universe.
And seriously? We are now saying Bulma is talking nonsense and put Jaco's words above her? Bulma is the same person that studied blueprints of the time machine, understood it and built it again. And in fact this time machine is travelling between two timelines instead of going back and forth in time. Why wouldn't she have authority and knowledge about universe? The mere fact that she brought up edge and center of universe already proves she have knowledge about it.
Also what Kaioshin realm being in different dimension have to its size? It's stated in official sources that Kaioshin planet is a specific fraction of the size of universe.
I am sorry but just how many things we are going to ignore or throw away? You say universe is infinite when palnet in other dimension has 1/10 of its size. You believe in Bulma's statements but when she mentions size of the universe you say she is saying nonsense. Anime states universe, but you say it's galaxy just because animators had no idea how to draw the edge of universe. That theory is a colossal titan on tiny shaky legs
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How it changes the core meaning tho? You can't have 1/10 of infinity.
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That's wrong, Universe 7 has always appeared as bubbles and not galaxies, so much so that you can see other galaxies appearing around that same galaxy. Bulma's word is useless when she needs the help of others to get an idea about her crazy, meaningless theories.
Everything else below is nonsense about the dimension of the Kaioshins. The world of the Kaioshins is 1/10 of the Universe. That is the size of that dimension and not of the universe. But anyway, if it were Whis or any entity that had knowledge about the Universe, we would agree, but it's Bulma, the same girl who was brutally refuted by Jaco and cursed at.
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The greater universe in Dragon Ball is actually capable of containing all possible worlds.
A person needs many years of experience to understand how a comprehensive universe works.
While you are arguing about whether it is infinite or not, in reality, it is capable of containing all possible worlds.
A person needs many years of experience to understand how a comprehensive universe works.
While you are arguing about whether it is infinite or not, in reality, it is capable of containing all possible worlds.
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High 1-A+ CRT when?
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Don’t you realize that the term “possible worlds” can mean many different things if you don’t clarify what you mean by it?
There are possible worlds in set theory, and those are what I am referring to here, and all of them are capped at Low 1-A.
As for logically possible worlds, those reach High 1-A+.
The phrase “possible worlds” by itself, when used in fictional works, does not necessarily mean logically possible worlds unless it is supported by explicit context.
There are many different interpretations of what this phrase can refer to, and that is not what I mean here.
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Again, not "bubble format(?)", but "perfectly spherical". For example, Daizenshuu 7 says space is "wrapped around" (包み込んだ tsutsumikonda) every celestial body of the universe. Also, the entire macrocosm existing inside of a "perfectly round", "perfectly spherical" ball/globe should prove none of the realms inside can be spatially infinite, no?It's a shame, but Dragon Ball Universes is no longer available in bubble format here, so your point is moot
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Would like to mention that Jaco never refuted any of Bulma's claims; he simply stated that the idea of traveling from Earth (presumably on the edge of the universe) to the center of the universe would be an infeasible task because of how vast the distance is.
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Nullflowerblush
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This must be an off day for you
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Mfw r/powerscaling complains about Vsbw but 90% of them can't scale anything
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The one thing they always complain about are FTL characters for some reason, they think everyone that’s had a FTL feat regardless of what kind, can run that fast in travel speed
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Oh ! Thats because the entire sub is full of either Shitposters or Agenda Scalers
No one actually debates there unless its Bleach vs DBZ but even then lol
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Yes, I personally agree with them. If a character has light-speed or massively faster-than-light speed, then they are indeed able to move at such speeds. We already have other works, such as Dragon Ball, where Gotenks was able to circle the Earth many times in fractions of a second. This shows that it is not merely a matter of perception, as some people assume, but that in Dragon Ball the characters can genuinely perform such feats.
If child characters like Gotenks can do this at that level of speed, then what about Goku, or the others? And what about Whis or the Grand Priest? Whis was able to evade Gogeta’s Instant Transmission, and Instant Transmission is either infinite speed or immeasurable speed, yet Whis still avoided it.
If child characters like Gotenks can do this at that level of speed, then what about Goku, or the others? And what about Whis or the Grand Priest? Whis was able to evade Gogeta’s Instant Transmission, and Instant Transmission is either infinite speed or immeasurable speed, yet Whis still avoided it.
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Faster-than-light - Wikipedia
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I also agree that time travel via speed is just ftl, because some theories clearly state that, and no theory talks about immesurable speed.
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uh cool?Faster-than-light - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
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https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Janemba I think Janemba proves that multipliers does multiply universes in DB(he could fight with SS1 Goku, but was mogged by SS3 and SS3 Goku could match Janemba, so Goku went from high 3-a to Low 2-c with multiplier)
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