CC is fine
Also this is not correct, manifest a fictional character is just Subjective Reality. I don't see Nonexistent creation in it, as it is ability to create a nonexistent thing, not manifest something fictional into reality
Yeah that's true, I think the easiest way to prove IM2 can define concepts is with the Hetero Tower, since it's composed of information yet governs and encompasses/contains the entire multiverse. It was created by Agent Zero who herself (itself) is literally CC (which like everything else in the verse is composed of IM2 as mentioned at the start) and CC itself was made by Watchers who establish the laws and rules of all existence and stuff existing even beyond the Tower and Gate. I could find more examples of defining concepts through some characters if more proof is necessary
Conversion to existence is what I was thinking, I'll just leave it at SR
Cool the my issues with that are null
While I don't need explicitly the word concept, I don't see in any of the current scans you provided the idea that they're manipulating ideas/concepts. I see the manipulation of the information very easily as it explicit treats information as the core of everything, but I don't see any of your scans stating that this information makes up the idea or conceputal things. The information making up space, time, and gravity in of itself does not make something automatically qualify for concept manipulation as these things aren't just concepts but actual things which do exist. If you have some scans indicating the information composes ideas in of themselves I think Concept Manipulation would work but as is I think you need more proof.
I think those scans are good enough prrof to give the resistance then.
Something being fundamentally chaotic in its nature shouldn't normally qualify for chaos manipulation as that is just a way to describe something. Like people can be chaotic but we wouldn't classify that as chaotic manipulation or something might naturally be unstable and ever changing and unpredictable but that wouldn't mean it is inherently manipulating chaos.
I did post more on that above, lmk what you think
That is true, though these are definitely beyond merely being chaotic/unstable via an emotional or mental state or something. However yeah that does make sense
We also have it governing things like logic, speaking of, where will logic be on the metaphysical aspects? With IM2, CM1 & Plot? Or above them? Or will it just join CM1 or smth?
I saw it, and my main issue is that what its describing to do should still fall under Information Type 2 without crossing over into conceptual manipulation. That said, I did do a rerun to double check myself and I do see under Red Tide there is a scan which states a character can implant the concept of Red Tide into someone. But that wouldn't go into Type 1 Conceptual Manipulation since Red Tide itself doesn't appear to qualify as a Type 1 Concept, it'd likely just fall under Type 3. I'd really be looking for something which we know to be purely conceptual in nature that is made of this information.
Logic manipulation is its own page so it'd just go under that. Though I do think standards for logic manipulation are strict
As Duate has said, all of this is well within the ability Info 2 without crossing over to CM
Well, it is void manipulation, not nonexistent creation, nonexistent creation imply you can create something that is nonexistent, which sure as hell isn't conversion to existence which mean changinh something from NEP to existence
This is at best Type 3 Concept
Can you elaborate why that's the case?
Unexplained Concepts all goes to type 3
The concepts aren't unexplained though, the scan specifically says all concepts within and beyond the Hetero Tower, which if you recall from my previous scan encompases and contains the entire multiverse (and yes it affects that too as well as the Gate) how would this be type 3 exactly?
The verse need to establish how the concept work, what they defines/governs, concept of what thing. It need to be somewhat specific, not generalized as all concepts, for example concept of evil is a specific concept and even that still make the concept type 3, some concepts that can easily get type 2 at least are concept of time and space (assume they are literal)
Somethings not adding up here lol, especially when we have characters like Zues as an example of CM1 and souls in GoW at large, but alright. Kinda just wanted to pick your brain on that, I don't really feel like derailing the thread with something that genuinely deserves it's own CRT. So I'll leave it at that, so CM1 for M.I.N.D and PV are to be removed. Anything else? Or can this thread be passed?
Zues?.
Yeah, unless other staff have anything else to say, though tbf i skim through half of these stuff, but whatever, i or other will make a thread in case something is not right in the future, for now it is fine
Would appreciate if you could close the thread then, thanks.
Closing
