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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

ElJoaki5 said:
i dont believe kashmo scales to 15 f sukuna, im just saying the interval of speeds MBA Kashimo's speed can fall into happens to be the same as 15 f sukuna for similar reasons, this is explained in the sandbox.
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Kashimo does not scale a whole blitz tier above HH even if you think he's faster
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Why I said maybe for 15F speed. You can make arguments at least for it is what I mean

Also yeah, you can argue MBA Kashimo is above the heavy hitters in speed. Kashimo is still at least as strong/as fast as them before Shinjuku. They raised their stats but it's not like they literally went whole blitz tiers above anyone. Before going MBA Kash and Sukuna have a little bout and they're relative and then Kash goes MBA and starts overwhelming Sukuna with speed to the point he can only dodge attacks and doesn't counter. I'm not gonna say its a blitz tier (cause it's not I mean Sukuna straight dodges one attack) but he's definitely still faster than the heavy hitters with what we've seen (granted it's not a lot)
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Scaling cripplekuna to HH to assert that MBA kashimo is much faster than HH is beyond me
Sukuna was not relative to Kashimo, neither could he counter attack even before Kashimo went MBA, he blocked like ONE single strike from him
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then moved back and Kashimo goes MBA, that's LITERALLY all
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That's like trying to assert that Ino blocked a kick from Sukuna, therefore he's relative to him, and HH can blitz Ino so they're a blitz tier above Sukuna (its gen insanity)
 
Mommyleona said:
Kashimo does not scale a whole blitz tier above HH even if you think he's faster

Scaling cripplekuna to HH to assert that MBA kashimo is much faster than HH is beyond me
Sukuna was not relative to Kashimo, neither could he counter attack even before Kashimo went MBA, he blocked like ONE single strike from him
10-hYB6HzdJZdUGA-scaled.jpg

then moved back and Kashimo goes MBA, that's LITERALLY all
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That's like trying to assert that Ino blocked a kick from Sukuna, therefore he's relative to him, and HH can blitz Ino so they're a blitz tier above Sukuna (its gen insanity)
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That Sukuna has MHS perception speed btw
 
Mommyleona said:
Scaling cripplekuna to HH to assert that MBA kashimo is much faster than HH is beyond me
Sukuna was not relative to Kashimo, neither could he counter attack even before Kashimo went MBA, he blocked like ONE single strike from him
10-hYB6HzdJZdUGA-scaled.jpg

then moved back and Kashimo goes MBA, that's LITERALLY all
11-XmSZhVEsCJmly-scaled.jpg


That's like trying to assert that Ino blocked a kick from Sukuna, therefore he's relative to him, and HH can blitz Ino so they're a blitz tier above Sukuna (its gen insanity)
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I'm not scaling crippled Sukuna to heavy hitters I'm saying that he's still relative in speed to Kashimo before going MBA. It's not like Kashimo would've held back in terms of speed even before going MBA, what reason would he have to do that?

If anything the scaling from what I'm describing would go like: Base Kashimo = Crippled Sukuna < Heavy Hitters < MBA Kashimo. While they got stronger and faster, they didn't get a whole blitz tier above what they were before, or at least that wasn't properly conveyed if they did.
 
While I don't think JJK should be capped to Superhuman, I also don't think the comparison with CW flash is valid
For all the uproar it generated, the statements in that show were actually consistent with each other and show a clear progression of speed
Barry starts out at subsonic in season 1, reaches Mach 1.1 mid-season and eventually, Mach 2 at the end of the season with all sorts of mental amps
The same statements have him at Mach 3 or so in season 2
By season 5, the statements increased to the infamous "just over mach 7"
At the end of the series (season 9), he was noted to move at Mach 20
That's consistency
What trumps feats over statements in this case is that the writers are hilarious unreliable at best and blatantly wrong at worst. That's why they can say something like "3 billion Joules = 3 megatons" and a host of other wrong shit
This creates a basis where we can now discredit the statements made by the same writers
Gege doesn't have anything as egregious as that. He goes the extra mile to invite science experts to explain certain things as accurately as possible

FYI, I don’t think CW Flash is MFTL+ via that one calc on the profile because that relies on using the already disregarded statements (uhm picoseconds) because it gives a big number
 
KingTempest said:
this needs to be calced tbh i don't want an "Assumed antifeat", it could actually be good
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There's a thousand THs cramped close to one another and it took him 299 seconds to kill them all, if we assume there was a 1 meter distance between each transfiguered human then 1000m/ 299s = 3.34 m/s
 
KingTempest said:
this needs to be calced tbh i don't want an "Assumed antifeat", it could actually be good
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
Assuming that each transfigured human was 1 meter apart from each other, and that Gojo's arm movement was 90 degrees for each kill, the total distance would be 2146.1 meters.

Total speed is 7.1775919732m/s
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7m/s with a high ball


Also
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Because I got more time now and I thought it'd be funny

Also its more like piss color but you gotta drink more water piss color
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Check this calc abaddon
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Kagurabachi - Some feats

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Giannysmag said:
There's a thousand THs cramped close to one another and it took him 299 seconds to kill them all, if we assume there was a 1 meter distance between each transfiguered human then 1000m/ 299s = 3.34 m/s
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account for him actually moving his arms back and forth, dodging the humans, seeing who was human and who wasn't, etc.
calc takes too many assumptions
 
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Mahoraga shall be attempting to survive in your favorite verses. Can he pull it off? Speed will not be equalized. Round 1: The Mahoraga that Megumi summoned before any of his adaptations against Sukuna. Round 2: The Mahoraga that Sukuna summons before his fight with Yorozu. Round 3: Mahoraga...
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Mommyleona said:
MBA Kashimo did not go a whole blitz tier above either? im not getting what you're saying
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I think we're misunderstanding each other. I actively disagree with MBA Kashimo being a blitz tier above even crippled Sukuna. What that was talking about was the heavy hitters. What I'm saying is crippled Sukuna is roughly comparable in speed to Kashimo in base. Kashimo has no reason to actively hold back in terms of power nor speed even before going MBA considering what he wants out of the fight and given it is Sukuna makes sense even while crippled he's still powerful. Kashimo in base is below the heavy hitters given they improved their stats, however the heavy hitters did not become a blitz tier above what they were previously with training that one month, at least that's not conveyed well. Given that MBA Kashimo can move faster to the point where Sukuna is getting overwhelmed by his speed and only manages to dodge a single attack I believe that's ground for MBA Kashimo to be considered faster than the heavy hitters
 
Mommyleona said:
Kashimo does not scale a whole blitz tier above HH even if you think he's faster

Scaling cripplekuna to HH to assert that MBA kashimo is much faster than HH is beyond me
Sukuna was not relative to Kashimo, neither could he counter attack even before Kashimo went MBA, he blocked like ONE single strike from him
10-hYB6HzdJZdUGA-scaled.jpg

then moved back and Kashimo goes MBA, that's LITERALLY all
11-XmSZhVEsCJmly-scaled.jpg


That's like trying to assert that Ino blocked a kick from Sukuna, therefore he's relative to him, and HH can blitz Ino so they're a blitz tier above Sukuna (its gen insanity)
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Tbf this is the Sukuna they figured everyone would be able to jump if Gojo lost no? And we already have Hakari fighting Kashimo, he's clearly not above them in base.
 
Giannysmag said:
They where frozen
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still in the way
Giannysmag said:
An instant is 3 minutes from his perspective (Subsonic+ perception btw), that shouldn't take him any significant time
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still takes time, and regardless it's just not an easy task

we visibly see there's a shit ton of humans. doesn't make it easy.

antifeat? yeah i guess, the calc value is just stupid tho
 
i definitely don't think anyone reached the levels of subsonic though. there aren't any good feats for anyone except naoya and naobito. all the heavy hitters and such seem consistently below it
 
Testarossa002 said:
While I don't think JJK should be capped to Superhuman, I also don't think the comparison with CW flash is valid
For all the uproar it generated, the statements in that show were actually consistent with each other and show a clear progression of speed
Barry starts out at subsonic in season 1, reaches Mach 1.1 mid-season and eventually, Mach 2 at the end of the season with all sorts of mental amps
The same statements have him at Mach 3 or so in season 2
By season 5, the statements increased to the infamous "just over mach 7"
At the end of the series (season 9), he was noted to move at Mach 20
That's consistency
What trumps feats over statements in this case is that the writers are hilarious unreliable at best and blatantly wrong at worst. That's why they can say something like "3 billion Joules = 3 megatons" and a host of other wrong shit
This creates a basis where we can now discredit the statements made by the same writers
Gege doesn't have anything as egregious as that. He goes the extra mile to invite science experts to explain certain things as accurately as possible

FYI, I don’t think CW Flash is MFTL+ via that one calc on the profile because that relies on using the already disregarded statements (uhm picoseconds) because it gives a big number
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I was the one of the ppl who made the CW flash comparission so let me answer the comparission wasn't fully comparing the situations one by one. I was noting the specific scene where Flash runs around the earth while they are calling him Mach 7 to make the comparission of how JJK also has feats higher than "Superhuman", "Transonic" and "Mach 3" yet gege will still do caps like the "reaches mach 3" statement. It doesnt mean we should use it if feats contradict it. All Gege did was think to himself "yoo this sounds cool" and added it as a dialogue. That was literally the line of thinking and we are taking it as gospel that can't be contradicted lol, there's 0 things supporting the statements for naoya and just complete contradictions everywhere just like with that CW Flash moment.
 
Can someone calc Megumi blocking arrows (Ch.43)? I think it's worth to put when comparing the feats and anti feats. No clue what is the result but iirc Sun once said that it was around subsonic
 
Giannysmag said:
imo the heavy hitter tier is when you actually get subsonic characters since they are consistently moving at FTE speeds and an injured Maki could keep up with unstacked Naoya
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FTE is a range that they come close to they just seem like they aren't there

I don't think maki being mildly injured really affects much, plus like i said, naoya seemed faster than maki regardless
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Can someone calc Megumi blocking arrows (Ch.43)? I think it's worth to put when comparing the feats and anti feats. No clue what is the result but iirc Sun once said that it was around subsonic
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it's really not when blocking arrows can range from ******* average human to supersonic and this feat seemed like it's pushing average human levels
edit: nevermind
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
What I'm saying is crippled Sukuna is roughly comparable in speed to Kashimo in base.
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As comparable as a strong grade 1 to a special grade ig
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Kashimo in base is below the heavy hitters given they improved their stats, however the heavy hitters did not become a blitz tier above what they were previously with training that one month, at least that's not conveyed well. Given that MBA Kashimo can move faster to the point where Sukuna is getting overwhelmed by his speed and only manages to dodge a single attack I believe that's ground for MBA Kashimo to be considered faster than the heavy hitters
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Cripplekuna (lowest end relative at best) < Kashimo < MBA Kashimo
I dont see where HH come in here exactly?
And i did say even if MBA kashimo is somewhat faster, its not worthy of some separate tier, why would HH be capped by mach 3 but not MBA kashimo?
Who's to say HH wont be overwhelming that Sukuna the same?
Yuta's performance against TF Sukuna is basically the same as MBA Kashimo's
 
KingTempest said:
FTE is a range that they come close to they just seem like they aren't there
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Jogo moves FTE to Maki and Nanami (albeit Nanami was missing an eye), Maki moves FTE to Ogi, Hakari moves FTE to Charles and there's probably some more I'm forgetting
KingTempest said:
I don't think maki being mildly injured really affects much, plus like i said, naoya seemed faster than maki regardless
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It was effecting her enough to where if the fight dragged on any longer she'd probably lose and while she is slower she is keeping up in reactions and blocking his punches
 
Mommyleona said:
As comparable as a strong grade 1 to a special grade ig

Cripplekuna (lowest end relative at best) < Kashimo < MBA Kashimo
I dont see where HH come in here exactly?
And i did say even if MBA kashimo is somewhat faster, its not worthy of some separate tier, why would HH be capped by mach 3 but not MBA kashimo?
Who's to say HH wont be overwhelming that Sukuna the same?
Yuta's performance against TF Sukuna is basically the same as MBA Kashimo's
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I don't agree with MBA Kashimo getting a separate speed tier. I was going to do a CRT on that to change his rating but we have like 2 CRTs up right now and another on the way that's planning on making everything superhuman for some reason so I didn't make it yet.

Also I doubt I'm going to convince you so I'm just going to drop it before we end up going in circles arguing
 
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