BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

[Ghostimuscrime]

It is said that there is a dimension here.

I recall that the room-sized section was the area he controlled.

TYBW also used this later in the story, but I can't remember the arguments they made.

ch number pls

 

[DragoZeroNova]

ch number pls

448

 

[Bastolan27]

I don't know why Gremmy specifically is included considering he always had his ability and I don't recall it being suggested that Yhwach shared a piece of his soul with him.

Every Quincy has a piece of Yhwach’s soul in them. That’s what makes them a Quincy in the first place. Auswahlen only works due to the piece of his soul in them, so every person he has ever used Auswahlen on has a piece of his soul, and he has done that to even the most random Quincy thousands of years after he was sealed. Thus, again, every Quincy has his soul. To leave Gremmy’s Schrift out would mean he isn’t a Quincy in the first place, and honestly that side has the burden of proof, since Gremmy has never even been hinted at to not be a Quincy. Pernida, a part of the Soul King, still claimed to be a Quincy and used Vollstandig, and Auswahlen worked on Gerard, so even if he was the brain of the Soul King, he could still be a Quincy. He only had to drink Yhwach’s blood.

Even if you think they should be removed(im personally lukewarm on the idea of Yhwach having them,and prefer how his profile note has it be an optional thing for matches involving Yhwach). I think a thread on the topic should be reserved for after cour 4.
But I agree this topic is wasting time, since the last cour may or may not give some insight into it.

But I agree this topic is wasting time, since the last cour may or may not give some insight into it.

 

[Crobatman44]

Is Saqphire the only sane bleach supporter left

Do i not count.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Do i not count.

twas an exaggeration myf

 

[Crobatman44]

Understandable.

 

[Purgy]

Every Quincy has a piece of Yhwach’s soul in them. That’s what makes them a Quincy in the first place. Auswahlen only works due to the piece of his soul in them, so every person he has ever used Auswahlen on has a piece of his soul, and he has done that to even the most random Quincy thousands of years after he was sealed. Thus, again, every Quincy has his soul. To leave Gremmy’s Schrift out would mean he isn’t a Quincy in the first place, and honestly that side has the burden of proof, since Gremmy has never even been hinted at to not be a Quincy. Pernida, a part of the Soul King, still claimed to be a Quincy and used Vollstandig, and Auswahlen worked on Gerard, so even if he was the brain of the Soul King, he could still be a Quincy. He only had to drink Yhwach’s blood.

There is a clear distinction between being a Quincy and receiving a fragment of Yhwach’s soul through the blood ritual. Also, you claim that being a Quincy requires having a piece of Yhwach's soul, and yet you bring up Pernida who is a clear contradiction to this since Pernida predates Yhwach and has always considered itself a Quincy. It is also mentioned that there were other Quincy before Yhwach without the ability to gather Reishi like Jugram, so having a piece of Yhwach's soul cannot be what defines a Quincy.

• Gremmy always had his power, unlike the vast majority of the Sternritters who obtained their Schrift through the blood ritual.
• Gremmy is implied to be the Soul King's brain in CFYOW which means that much like Pernida, he would predate Yhwach.

As far as I'm aware, there is no convincing evidence suggesting Yhwach imparted a piece of his soul onto Gremmy as he did with the other Sternritters.

 

[Mommyleona]

is CFYOW canon?

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

It is said that there is a dimension here.

I recall that the room-sized section was the area he controlled.

TYBW also used this later in the story, but I can't remember the arguments they made.

Coming back to this, the word here seems to be kukan/space instead of jigen/mathematical dimensions, which I guess could still be interpreted as a dimension, I am personally of the opinion they don't scale similar to the three worlds

is CFYOW canon?

they are officially licensed material, while not explicitly stated canon kubo did help supervise them as stated in his klub outside q&as

 

[Apollonir.Scale]

In the CFYOW, it's stated that Gremmy is just a brain, that he gave himself a boy's body through his own imagination. It was specifically mentioned that the reason he was male was because he was considered the stronger gender. It's likely Gremmy didn't drink Yhwach's blood. For example, there were two Arrancar who fought for Yhwach but weren't Quincy. Gremmy, being neither a Quincy nor one of Yhwach's Sternritters, could have been one of them. He also never used Blut Venn or Blut Arteria. He probably didn't possess them. I don't know if there was anything indicating he was a Quincy.

By the way, as Purgy said in the comment above, Gremmy is not the Soul King's brain. This was just a misinterpretation of some statements in the novel. It's stated that the Soul King's parts and Gremmy's brain were used in creating Hikone. It doesn't say that Gremmy's brain is also a part of the Soul King.

 

[Mommyleona]

they are officially licensed material, while not explicitly stated canon kubo did help supervise them as stated in his klub outside q&as

is there a blog with all the evidence and stuff? (or was there a crt im too lazy to look up) as the rules for what can be considered canon got harsher just recently

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

is there a blog with all the evidence and stuff? (or was there a crt im too lazy to look up) as the rules for what can be considered canon got harsher just recently

dawg we dont even have a cosmology blog what makes you think we'd have a canonicity blog


I saw the KT thread, I don't think the manga / databook / novel / anime would be hurt, because they have direct involvement from the writer

that being said iirc the seretei size was reliant on content from some non canon movie, so that might get ****** up at worst, but all else is fair game

 

[Purgy]

By the way, as Purgy said in the comment above, Gremmy is not the Soul King's brain. This was just a misinterpretation of some statements in the novel. It's stated that the Soul King's parts and Gremmy's brain were used in creating Hikone. It doesn't say that Gremmy's brain is also a part of the Soul King.

It's not stated but it is implied from what I remember, which is why Gremmy's abilities are on the Soul King's profile.

 

[Mommyleona]

dawg we dont even have a cosmology blog what makes you think we'd have a canonicity blog

oof

 

[ichimojii]

There is a clear distinction between being a Quincy and receiving a fragment of Yhwach’s soul through the blood ritual. Also, you claim that being a Quincy requires having a piece of Yhwach's soul, and yet you bring up Pernida who is a clear contradiction to this since Pernida predates Yhwach and has always considered itself a Quincy. It is also mentioned that there were other Quincy before Yhwach without the ability to gather Reishi like Jugram, so having a piece of Yhwach's soul cannot be what defines a Quincy.

• Gremmy always had his power, unlike the vast majority of the Sternritters who obtained their Schrift through the blood ritual.
• Gremmy is implied to be the Soul King's brain in CFYOW which means that much like Pernida, he would predate Yhwach.

As far as I'm aware, there is no convincing evidence suggesting Yhwach imparted a piece of his soul onto Gremmy as he did with the other Sternritters.

This is just unture it's never stated in cfyow

In the CFYOW, it's stated that Gremmy is just a brain, that he gave himself a boy's body through his own imagination. It was specifically mentioned that the reason he was male was because he was considered the stronger gender. It's likely Gremmy didn't drink Yhwach's blood. For example, there were two Arrancar who fought for Yhwach but weren't Quincy. Gremmy, being neither a Quincy nor one of Yhwach's Sternritters, could have been one of them. He also never used Blut Venn or Blut Arteria. He probably didn't possess them. I don't know if there was anything indicating he was a Quincy.

By the way, as Purgy said in the comment above, Gremmy is not the Soul King's brain. This was just a misinterpretation of some statements in the novel. It's stated that the Soul King's parts and Gremmy's brain were used in creating Hikone. It doesn't say that Gremmy's brain is also a part of the Soul King.

Nope it's stated verbatim his power was given/awakened by yhwach. Yhwach can literally give powers to even robots so a brain in a jar shouldn't be a problem. The only exception where Pernida and Gerad this was even repeated in the anime key word.
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[Bastolan27]

There is a clear distinction between being a Quincy and receiving a fragment of Yhwach’s soul through the blood ritual.

Touch alone is enough to impart a piece of Yhwach’s soul into someone; that’s how he did it as a baby. Drinking his blood is only a stronger way of doing it.

Also, you claim that being a Quincy requires having a piece of Yhwach's soul, and yet you bring up Pernida who is a clear contradiction to this since Pernida predates Yhwach and has always considered itself a Quincy.

Pernida, in its current form as a sentient being, does not predate Yhwach. Heck, you could even argue that, due to the flashback about 1,000 years ago, it wasn’t truly sentient until after it got with Yhwach. But it really doesn’t matter, because, as shown with Gerard, he didn’t have to have given them their Schrift for them to still have a piece of Yhwach and have their powers absorbed, as happened with Auswählen.

It is also mentioned that there were other Quincy before Yhwach without the ability to gather Reishi like Jugram, so having a piece of Yhwach's soul cannot be what defines a Quincy.

Yhwach was still the first Quincy. As we know from the flashback in the anime, he predates the world. Honestly, the whole Quincy timeline is messed up until we get Cour 4, because we have two conflicting statements about them. What we do know is that even though we don’t know when he incarnated, he has “always existed” (in comparison to the current world), just like Jesus Christ pre-incarnation. Thus, he is still the first Quincy and the origin of them, even if we do not know exactly how.

• Gremmy always had his power, unlike the vast majority of the Sternritters who obtained their Schrift through the blood ritual.

Never stated

• Gremmy is implied to be the Soul King's brain in CFYOW which means that much like Pernida, he would predate Yhwach.

Another dude answered this already.

As far as I'm aware, there is no convincing evidence suggesting Yhwach imparted a piece of his soul onto Gremmy as he did with the other Sternritters.

the dude above me answered that


Every Quincy is connected to Yhwach. That’s why only Quincies are affected by Auswahlen, and you seem to forget that Gerard was a victim of Auswahlen even though he was a piece of the Soul King.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Wym

There are other feats that depend on that, not just speed. LS and Reio earthquake feat and any other scale in the future.

Best of luck

It does….the image you linked IS the one I’m talking about

Both of them are compactified, just one of them is cartoony between them id choose the one that’s the more informative than goofy, it has the higher chance of getting accepted as well

The image in the blog is different from one I linked. That depiction is more consistent across the verse. Being cartoony doesn't remove that. The image is meant to be a map.

What’s the proof of this? If we accept that what makes you say ichigo’s initial speeds are equal or superior to this?

Simple, his travelling speed blitzes candice when he lands when he didn't do so when he came in. He also bursts through the seretei's membrane which would drop his speed, and changes the direction of his movement so I don't think he is going at peak acceleration

Has he successfully decelerated to the his lowest speeds if he himself said “I came in too fast” (or something along those lines)

Coming in too fast isn't an evidence, you can reduce your speed and still be too fast..

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

There are other feats that depend on that, not just speed. LS and Reio earthquake feat and any other scale in the future.

Very True, I thought you meant something else

The image in the blog is different from one I linked. That depiction is more consistent across the verse. Being cartoony doesn't remove that. The image is meant to be a map.
Simple, his travelling speed blitzes candice when he lands when he didn't do so when he came in. He also bursts through the seretei's membrane which would drop his speed, and changes the direction of his movement so I don't think he is going at peak acceleration
Coming in too fast isn't an evidence, you can reduce your speed and still be too fast..

ight bro

 

[Purgy]

This is just unture it's never stated in cfyow

I didn't say it was stated, I said it was implied.

Nope it's stated verbatim his power was given/awakened by yhwach. Yhwach can literally give powers to even robots so a brain in a jar shouldn't be a problem. The only exception where Pernida and Gerad this was even repeated in the anime key word.
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Given this, they should be removed from the Soul King's profile, I'll make a CRT for it soon.

 

[ichimojii]

I didn't say it was stated, I said it was implied.

Given this, they should be removed from the Soul King's profile, I'll make a CRT for it soon.

Lol adneyous has reality warping either way. Even just his nails have RW

 

[ichimojii]

I was gonna make a serious response to this at first but the first half of this is just pathetic whining, you truly wouldn’t survive the scrutiny Naruto high end metas get, you’re spoiled

I think it would no one has proven their was a star in the root space. Besides the root space It's nothing but assumption she made all those dimensions. In a actual debate the arguments wouldn't hold.

Was Yukios dimension even called a dimension? Can you prove it’s real enough to be scaling applicable? I see it the same as Orochimaru’s mental realms, if someone can control the worlds or they can die out if the controller dies then it doesn’t necessarily have to be 1:1 to those other, not to mention it’s shown be room sized

Lol it's not same as a mental space. They are real and have real effects on reality. He controls reality like a video game.

Not to mention it's based off of video games, video games don't generate the whole planet much less the solar system when rendering the playable area

Now this is cope their stated to be dimensions and they affect real world things. Yukio can make food you can eat,control time,gravity ect. This is like me saying kaguya's world is made of chakra their for not a real dimension.

This is hilarious, you’re something else bud

Is Saqphire the only sane bleach supporter left

It's true bud they created a dimension using blanks It's no different then kaguya. I don't think they scale to it same way I don't kaguya scales

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Lol it's not same as a mental space. They are real and have real effects on reality. He controls reality like a video game.

No he controls his own domain and nothing outside, that not only proves that he can’t manipulate the real world like a video game it also proves his worlds are similar to simulated / mental spaces which don’t translate to physical values as they’re not equivalent tangible material

Now this is cope their stated to be dimensions and they affect real world things. Yukio can make food you can eat,control time,gravity ect. This is like me saying kaguya's world is made of chakra their for not a real dimension.

Well normally I’d ignore whataboutism attempts but this serves as a good differentiating example, Kaguya’s worlds live independently from her, even after she was sealed and killed they exist as they were before with no changes, where as in fiction usually simulated spaces / mental spaces / dream worlds tend to despawn if the caster is taken out proving they’re not the same as real life eternally existing tangible objects

Yukio does posses ability to alter things exclusively in his own world which furthers my point as I said earlier

I like how you ignored me saying video games don’t generate the whole structure

Also it’s not stated as a diff dimension, kukan isn’t accepted in the wiki to necessitate spatial separation (keep in mind this isn’t me saying that cannot be true, it’s merely to establish the specific thing you’re claiming isn’t present)

It's true bud they created a dimension using blanks. I don't think they scale to it

Why don’t the bleach characters scale to it?

 

[ichimojii]

No he controls his own domain and nothing outside, that not only proves that he can’t manipulate the real world like a video game it also proves his worlds are similar to simulated / mental spaces which don’t translate to physical values as they’re not equivalent tangible material

A mental space is world that exist in the mind Again this is not in the mind real people and object can go their. People can't physical go inside video games or mental spaces. They are tangible aswell you can physically interact with everything their

Well normally I’d ignore whataboutism attempts but this serves as a good differentiating example, Kaguya’s worlds live independently from her, even after she was sealed and killed they exist as they were before with no changes, where as in fiction usually simulated spaces / mental spaces / dream worlds tend to despawn if the caster is taken out proving they’re not the same as real life eternally existing tangible objects

Affects disappearing after death doesn't prove anything. By your own logic kaguya's worlds are fake since she can manipulate the real world they same way she does in her spaces. Yes i agree dream worlds aren't real. However some dream worlds are tangible like dorothy from black clover or tot musica from one piece. It's like saying things made of chakra or soul are not real. What determines if something is real is if it's tangible for the most part.

Yukio does posses ability to alter things exclusively in his own world which furthers my point as I said earlier

Okay this still doesn't disprove them being pocket dimensions

I like how you ignored me saying video games don’t generate the whole structure

This is true however these aren't literal video games their dimensions

Also it’s not stated as a diff dimension, kukan isn’t accepted in the wiki to necessitate spatial separation (keep in mind this isn’t me saying that cannot be true, it’s merely to establish the specific thing you’re claiming isn’t present)

Kukan like any word depends on context it can still mean dimension. Kubo us kukan to define the soul palace,valley of screams,hm and the dangai as dimensions. We know for 100% that yukio's spaces are different dimensions they have their time flow,their bigger then what they are on the outside and lastly cfyow says verbatim his dimensions are isolated from reality. In addition to this he altered the valley of screams dimension into room and also controlled Karakura town in the novels isolating it from the real world.
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Why don’t the bleach characters scale to it?

It was made using a external power source the blank souls. All tho they are just fodder human souls. I think it's just a dumb troupe where they have a bunch of fodder put their power together and create things far beyond what they should have been able to make. Think of something like a spirit bomb which 99% the power of fodders yet can take down powerful characters.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

A mental space is world that exist in the mind Again this is not in the mind real people and object can go their. People can't physical go inside video games or mental spaces. They are tangible aswell you can physically interact with everything their

It does not need to be 1:1, just that they follow a similar logic, a projected simulated space who's constructs are not scaling applicable due to not being real / projections / simulations

Having real objects get transferred into their does not really contradict them being mental worlds, since you love bringing up naruto so much I'll use that verse as an example in where you can put physical alive beings into peoples mind spaces and also take them out back into the real world (bijuus)

In such cases we deem the true objects to be turned into the same material as the domain they reside in, kind of how you need kishi-reishi conversions from going to the soul society to wol and vice versa, it's really a very a common trope in fiction

Affects disappearing after death doesn't prove anything.

it does, differentiates from natural constructs that are able to follow mass energy conservation laws

By your own logic kaguya's worlds are fake since she can manipulate the real world they same way she does in her spaces.

what does this mean lol, if the limits of her powers are unchanged between two dimensions thats gonna lead you towards them not being any faker than the other

genuinely dont see why you think this is a strong point

Yes i agree dream worlds aren't real. However some dream worlds are tangible like dorothy from black clover or tot musica from one piece. It's like saying things made of chakra or soul are not real. What determines if something is real is if it's tangible for the most part.

you cite entirely different series as evidence for bleach? this is odd
also I don't need to consider the counterparts of those other verses physical either so that evidence falls off pretty quickly

Okay this still doesn't disprove them being pocket dimensions

ignored my reasoning for why it would and just claimed otherwise, W rebuttal

This is true however these aren't literal video games their dimensions

hard appealing to reality right until it ***** your scaling, never change lmao

Kukan like any word depends on context it can still mean dimension. Kubo us kukan to define the soul palace,valley of screams,hm and the dangai as dimensions. We know for 100% that yukio's spaces are different dimensions they have their time flow,their bigger then what they are on the outside and lastly cfyow says verbatim his dimensions are isolated from reality. In addition to this he altered the valley of screams dimension into room and also controlled Karakura town in the novels isolating it from the real world.
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Interesting, I shall remain neutral on this bit

It was made using a external power source the blank souls. All tho they are just fodder human souls. I think it's just a dumb troupe where they have a bunch of fodder put their power together and create things far beyond what they should have been able to make. Think of something like a spirit bomb which 99% the power of fodders yet can take down powerful characters.

if you're ambitious enough you can still try to scale them by dividing number and timeframe to attribute powers to the fodder souls

 

[Soulking22334]

do modal realism yhwach scaling have any good point

 

[Doctorsolos]

do modal realism yhwach scaling have any good point

Modal realism does not always have to take H1a+; modal realism occurs in 4D anyway, always conceptual impossibility or illogicality, not H1A+, but Vsbw allows this, and monadic coherence is also required in matters of transcendence, etc.

 

[Soulking22334]

Modal realism does not always have to take H1a+; modal realism occurs in 4D anyway, always conceptual impossibility or illogicality, not H1A+, but Vsbw allows this, and monadic coherence is also required in matters of transcendence, etc.

so........

 

[Crabwhale]

@Arc7Kuroi

Daddy ain't coming back from getting that milk, son.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Since the last one had calc staking issues, I made a new one devoid of that and the new distance is now over 370 times higher than the current calc in the blog lol.

How incredibly ironic.

 

[Mommyleona]

Since the last one had calc staking issues, I made a new one devoid of that and the new distance is now over 370 times higher than the current calc in the blog lol.

How incredibly ironic.

its still calc stacking dude, even more blatant one at that
also candice perceived the landing just fine anyway

 

[Specterxxxx]

its still calc stacking dude, even more blatant one at that

Where is the calc staking?

also candice perceived the landing just fine anyway

Based off what? She saw something crash but she could barely perceive him crossing him the radius, that is the point and the point of the casual speed.

 

[Damage3245]

This is where the problem of ignoring the visuals in the series crops up, because we're just making up for no good reason that Ichigo passed through the Seireitei's barrier 509 kilometers above the ground and then somehow uncontrollably shot down the rest of the way 242 times faster than the speed of lightning.

Even though when we can see it for ourselves, Ichigo's perspective of falling down clearly does not show the Seireitei being 500+ kilometers away from him.

 

[Specterxxxx]

This is where the problem of ignoring the visuals in the series crops up, because we're just making up for no good reason that Ichigo passed through the Seireitei's barrier 509 kilometers above the ground and then somehow uncontrollably shot down the rest of the way 242 times faster than the speed of lightning.

I don't understand this point? Could you please elaborate?.

And actually, its over 700 km currently, I linked that one because thats where the logic of the feat was written and not in the other one. I linked the current one where the calc was accepted.

Even though when we can see it for ourselves, Ichigo's perspective of falling down clearly does not show the Seireitei being 500+ kilometers away from him.

Are you trying to use visuals, that Bleach consistently does a piss poor job of depicting as an argument? Also didn't we already agree to the size of the seretei already?

 

[Damage3245]

I don't understand this point? Could you please elaborate?.

And actually, its over 700 km currently, I linked that one because thats where the logic of the feat was written and not in the other one. I linked the current one where the calc was accepted.

Alright, 700 km, thanks.

Are you trying to use visuals, that Bleach consistently does a piss poor job of depicting as an argument? Also didn't we already agree to the size of the seretei already?

I don't really care what the wiki agrees on for this. The wiki could agree it's 10,000 km. Wouldn't make it good to use.

 

[Specterxxxx]

Alright, 700 km, thanks.


I don't really care what the wiki agrees on for this. The wiki could agree it's 10,000 km. Wouldn't make it good to use.

I think this shouldn't be an argument, when we have a whole blog on why the visuals concerning the seretei are not consistent or valid.

 

[Damage3245]

I think this shouldn't be an argument, when we have a whole blog on why the visuals concerning the seretei are not consistent or valid.

It's not an argument because this isn't a Content Revision thread. I'm just venting because it's pure powerscaling brainrot where we disregard what the manga shows us, unless it's convenient to us which happens worryingly often.

 

[Specterxxxx]

It's not an argument because this isn't a Content Revision thread. I'm just venting because it's pure powerscaling brainrot where we disregard what the manga shows us, unless it's convenient to us which happens worryingly often.

But we are well within rights to disregard inconsistent visuals, when actual consistent reliable statements, population density of the seretei and the literal plot of bleach severely disregards them so why wouldn't we?

Also aside this complaint, is there any other issue regarding the calc?

 

[Damage3245]

But we are well within rights to disregard inconsistent visuals, when actual consistent reliable statements, population density of the seretei and the literal plot of bleach severely disregards them so why would we? I am not trying to offend you but I am just curious.

All of that information can quite simply be retconned if Kubo desired it. I believe the portrayal of the Seireitei in the final arc is consistent enough that Kubo has seemingly done that, but I know it won't get accepted on here. It's been discussed too many times before so there's no point arguing about it.

Also aside this complaint, is there any other issue regarding the calc?

I think the timeframe is unreliable for the calc. It is essentially calc stacking because it is skipping over a step of actually calculating Candice's real reaction time. It is substituting in a value derived from the speed of lightning and not actually finding the necessary timeframe for the feat.

 

[Specterxxxx]

All of that information can quite simply be retconned if Kubo desired it. I believe the portrayal of the Seireitei in the final arc is consistent enough that Kubo has seemingly done that, but I know it won't get accepted on here. It's been discussed too many times before so there's no point arguing about it.

Well he hasn't desired it yet and I don't think he will any time soon if anything more material even supports the irrelevance of the visuals. E.g Cyfow

The portrayal of that scene is even completely different in the anime even. The seretei is much smaller from Ichigo’s POV when he enters the seretei.

I think the timeframe is unreliable for the calc. It is essentially calc stacking because it is skipping over a step of actually calculating Candice's real reaction time.

Her reaction time is the 0.004773s where she can easily perceive lightning from the ichigo casual speed calc tho. Or is the already accepted calc calc staking?

It is substituting in a value derived from the speed of lightning and not actually finding the necessary timeframe for the feat.

The time frame of lightning touching the ground is her reaction time and I pointed out in the calc how the anime uses heavy cinematic time frame in that so I didn't see it being better than the already accepted speed calc ichigo had.

 

[Mommyleona]

Where is the calc staking?

it takes Candice's reaction time as a lightning timer for some reason, which is prob from Grimmjow's "lightning speed" statement, then chainscales her to him, or from her own lightning, which is already calc stacking

Based off what? She saw something crash but she could barely perceive him crossing him the radius, that is the point and the point of the casual speed.

because she literally had no trouble perceiving him? bruh

she has time to turn around and look at him falling, and we also see a close shot of her perceiving him fall
what are we doing here

i really gotta force myself to finish the thread

Her reaction time is the 0.004773s where she can easily perceive lightning from the ichigo casual speed calc tho.

yeah and its wrong too