Makima (Chainsaw man) vs The Pathfinder (Deepwoken) | [0-0-0]

[Delusionaltx2]

• Speed equalized
• Fight takes place in first layer
• Both start 10 meters away
• Makima starts off low 7-C
• The Pathfinder is a blindseer with corrupted gravity field
• Makima has her high-mid regen here
• The pathfinder has First Light for their weapon
• The pathfinder has dark steel plate enchanted with rain, stench, displacement & parasol blight
• The Pathfinder has ardour as their mumur
• The pathfinder is not considered a Japanese citizen (can't forget about adding this ofc)
• Makima has all her optional equipment

The Control Freak:

The GodSeeker:

Mario with a gun:

 

[Delusionaltx2]

ik deep in this img is technically a vesperian but this was the only good looking img I could find for him tbh

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

following

 

[Delusionaltx2]

alright made the pathfinder a blindseer with gravity field

Edit: Also stuck makima to just high-mid here (could change it depending on how this goes tho)

 

[Arkansalter2]

Oh dear.. following.

 

[AthelChan]

oh god delusional, he needs to have an equipment
they cant have all of the weapons as well as enchants (limited to 4 if no legendary 3 if there is)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The Pathfinder jumps into L2 and leaves makima to die from madness

They attempt to do so however Yaldabaoth is gatekeeping any entrances to L2

 

[Delusionaltx2]

oh god delusional, he needs to have an equipment
they cant have all of the weapons as well as enchants (limited to 4 if no legendary 3 if there is)

What equipment should I give em?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Throw him an alloyed katana

Added a mumur as well (forgot abt that)

 

[AthelChan]

What equipment should I give em?

red death
rain + stench + displacement (armor enchants)
ardour

 

[Delusionaltx2]

red death
rain + stench + displacement (armor enchants)
ardour

Switching it to this then

 

[Breadbear83]

i dont know a lot about the pathfinder, i can see he has lower regeneration than makima but also he has inmortality 1,2, 4 and 8, where each time they die they have to take a trial in the depths

this is somewhatt similar to how when devils die in chainsawman they just get teleported to hell and if they die again in there they get back to earth, this is by reencarnation tho, yet this reencarnation is not considered in Chainsaw Man Devils matchups

so can the pathfinder just revive in this matchup or the Battle Conditions have them dying once as a lose? makima or pathfinder ´´dying´´ is different, makima either just ´´revives´´ by sending the damage to a japanese citizen and so regenerating, or if desintegration worked, she would reincarnate as another Control Devil with wiped out memories, while the pathfinder goes to the depths and has to make a trial to get back

would also be fair if makima had as equipment the swords she uses across the series, either the one she used to kill quanxi, the another one when pochita attacked her for the first time, or the 100 years sword from Angel Devil

 

[Arkansalter2]

where each time they die they have to take a trial in the depths

This is where the fight starts.

this is somewhatt similar to how when devils die in chainsawman they just get teleported to hell and if they die again in there they get back to earth

Since we're in the first layer, if either dies, that's it for them. No regenerating.

so can the pathfinder just revive in this matchup or the Battle Conditions have them dying once as a lose?

No.

If either die, due to the location, thats it. Neither will come back.

 

[Breadbear83]

This is where the fight starts.

Since we're in the first layer, if either dies, that's it for them. No regenerating.

No.

If either die, due to the location, thats it. Neither will come back.

ok but like, the Battle conditions mentions makima having regeneration which necceasrily comes from she ´´reviving´´ after each ´´death´´
another kind of Makima´s actual death is an attack that bypass her regeneration

but if your point for makima specifically was that she reincarnating as Nayuta doesnt count then i understand it

 

[Delusionaltx2]

would also be fair if makima had as equipment the swords she uses across the series, either the one she used to kill quanxi, the another one when pochita attacked her for the first time, or the 100 years sword from Angel Devil

Sure

 

[Arkansalter2]

Battle conditions mentions makima having regeneration which necceasrily comes from she ´´reviving´´ after each ´´death

She could revive if the location didn't restrict that.
If anyone dies in the first layer, their soul gets pulled down, pretty much making the Immo 4 (aka resurrection) that pathfinder has a no and makima as well.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

She could revive if the location didn't restrict that.
If anyone dies in the first layer, their soul gets pulled down, pretty much making the Immo 4 (aka resurrection) that pathfinder has a no and makima as well.

Tbf as long as it isn't enough to outright kill them, low levels of Regen is still possible

Like if makima just loses a finger or smth then she can still heal that (ofc she still insta dies if she gets stabbed in the heart or smth)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I should also mention that both sides do have immo t2 so the injury would actually have to go beyond that before it's considered "fatal" (The depths only soul sucks stuff that actually counts as death after all)

In makimas case her limit would be whatever devils are able to survive through solely immo T2

In johns case it would be whatever he can survive through purely immo T2

 

[Adasdadadsada]

Even if makima could resurrect as someone else, the voices wouldn't allow it and she would die, her body and soul being severed.

 

[Adasdadadsada]

What are her wincons?

 

[Arkansalter2]

What are her wincons?

Her controlled abilities.

 

[AthelChan]

Her controlled abilities.

WAIT..... can u change the weapon into First Light (not legendary which means i can add an enchant on it). also it uses parasol blight as its enchant. @Delusionaltx2

 

[Delusionaltx2]

WAIT..... can u change the weapon into First Light (not legendary which means i can add an enchant on it). also it uses parasol blight as its enchant. @Delusionaltx2

This is gonna be the last time I change the builds tbf

Are you sure?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What are her wincons?

The Humble "I can one shot 7-C characters" ahh TK:


That or hell devil BFR

 

[Adasdadadsada]

This is gonna be the last time I change the builds tbf

Are you sure?

With parasol's blight we're gonna have some fun.

The Humble "I can one shot 7-C characters" ahh TK:

But how it works is the real question.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

But how it works is the real question.

She points in your general direction and sends an invisible concussive force to pulverize stuff

in this case if PF takes a single hit they'll probably die (Type 2 immo be damned)

 

[Adasdadadsada]

She points in your general direction and sends an invisible concussive force to pulverize stuff

in this case if PF takes a single hit they'll probably die (Type 2 immo be damned)

In that case pathfinder genuinely has no way to defend himself against this. Unless you cherrypick and pick corrupted run-it-back as their resonance lol.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

In that case pathfinder genuinely has no way to defend himself against this. Unless you cherrypick and pick corrupted run-it-back as their resonance lol.

No they do

PF can easily farm risky moves first through dodging/blocking attacks from her lackies then if they try and block it only for it to bypass their block and proc risky moves then from their pov they would treat it as an unblockable attack and use clones, burial, and various forms of intangibility to make themselves harder to hit

it also helps that the pathfinder is pretty good at handling danmaku so dodging ranged attacks isn't that hard for them, and when coupled with the fact that she typically leads with bio hax and mind hax (two things the pathfinder can easily deal with) then the match is still doable

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Oh yea I also have to make a correction

by general direction I meant she has to point directly at you like here for example

 

[Adasdadadsada]

PF can easily farm risky moves first through dodging/blocking attacks from her lackies then if they try and block it only for it to bypass their block and proc risky moves then from their pov they would treat it as an unblockable attack and use clones, burial, and various forms of intangibility to make themselves harder to hit

Risky moves has a cooldown btw. (i'll wait until supporters get here. Are we using First Light or Red Death?)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Risky moves has a cooldown btw. (i'll wait until supporters get here. Are we using First Light or Red Death?)

yeah but they would only need to use it once

then they would use other abilities to try and not get hit again (they literally have like 5+ different abilities to prevent that from happening)

at that point makima needs to catch em off guard or when all their abilities are on CD (at that point it's just a win for her rather than a stomp)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

WAIT..... can u change the weapon into First Light (not legendary which means i can add an enchant on it). also it uses parasol blight as its enchant. @Delusionaltx2

This is gonna be the last time I change the builds tbf

Are you sure?

@AthelChan

 

[AthelChan]

@AthelChan

okay sure, now pathfinder has now killed 10 freshies prior to the match. That means he has 10 monsters on his side now

 

[Delusionaltx2]

changed

 

[Delusionaltx2]

bump

 

[Adasdadadsada]

okay sure, now pathfinder has now killed 10 freshies prior to the match. That means he has 10 monsters on his side now

bump

Im ngl, Pathfinder has no damn way to win here. Her TK doesn't look dodgeable and it's evidently extremely precise. You might need to give them prior knowledge.

Btw are you ever gonna play deep? 90% of the characters there aren't in vsbw. I just want to let you know you are missing out.

 

[AthelChan]

secret meta

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Im ngl, Pathfinder has no damn way to win here. Her TK doesn't look dodgeable and it's evidently extremely precise. You might need to give them prior knowledge.

They either need to get out of its trajectory with the +5 abilities that allow them to do that or just prevent her from spamming it by engaging in CTC

The starting distance is only 10 meters afterall, glare + any gap closer will force her into close range immediately

Btw are you ever gonna play deep? 90% of the characters there aren't in vsbw. I just want to let you know you are missing out.

I will sometime later but not now

 

[Adasdadadsada]

They either need to get out of its trajectory with the +5 abilities that allow them to do that or just prevent her from spamming it by engaging in CTC

The crux here is that, the pathfinder won't know whats coming. They should be able to see that an attack has started via one of their passive abilities but unless there's something visible they have no reason to dodge. Also I'm pretty sure all those abilities except the subjective reality one don't start fast enough.

Edit : Actually, Bloodcurdle which is very similar to this can be dodged so they might actually have a chance.

That's kinda the reason why they need prior knowledge, because even if they manage to hit her if they aren't using something like flamecharm she's not gonna die. And, she has minions too?

The starting distance is only 10 meters afterall, glare + any gap closer will force her into close range immediately

Alright, that's good but without prior knowledge they aren't gonna immediately attack.

I will sometime later but not now

Alright, also are you gonna vote in the physiology thread?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The crux here is that, the pathfinder won't know whats coming.

They would if they see makima point at them and say "bang" then as they try to block and it goes through their block this triggers risky moves and now they know what it does

They should be able to see that an attack has started via one of their passive abilities but unless there's something visible they have no reason to dodge.

She literally points at them and says the thing before effects happened...they would absolutely dodge...

Also I'm pretty sure all those abilities except the subjective reality one don't start fast enough.

1. They have multiple ways of boosting their speed so 9/10 they would be faster

2. Stuff like glare is basically thought based while the TK is gesture based so yeah they would be faster

That's kinda the reason why they need prior knowledge, because even if they manage to hit her if they aren't using something like flamecharm she's not gonna die.

You do realize because of the depths of they turn her into something like this then she absolutely will die right?

And, she has minions too?

Their all 8A and pathfinder resists almost everything

Alright, that's good but without prior knowledge they aren't gonna immediately attack.

Didn't athelchan say smth about how they lead with stun and some kind of gap closer?

Alright, also are you gonna vote in the physiology thread?

Sure when I read it