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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18
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it doesnt matter how high, more they have to regen, closer they are to being unable to regen any longer, and having to drink blood
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Yeah good luck trying to pull this weakness off in a reasonable time frame
MochOath
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been planning it since before deku vs yoriichi, but deku doesn't really have a wincon
even sun stall is out cause infinity castle
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i mean mitsuri almost managed to lol
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Deku tries to bully a Blind Old Man (Madara Vs Deku)
Madara (Revived No eyes) https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Madara_Uchiha#Revived ApBase; 7 Teratons, 4.435 Petatons with full body Susanoo DurabilityBase; 7 Teratons, 4.435 Petatons with full body Susanoo Perfect Susanoo Restricted Deku (Final Act)...
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Mitsuri never managed to do that to Zohakuten?? The last final shot was her getting eaten by the Dragon while Zohakuten was poker faced the entire time unharmed.
Machmatej
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only because zohakuten was draining a lot of energy to increase his power to match the demon slayer mark. also hantengu was splitting his power across like 6-7 bodies at one point while fighting all night. and mitsuri still would've died at the end. even while nerfed, tanjiro still needed the red blade and a rage amp to cut through Urami.
dark hero deku doesnt have the DC at 30% to destroy it all in one go and his normal shockwaves arent powerful or strong enough to destroy it before it repairs itself while fighting off 5 other demons + a million NPCs. he'd have to find and kill Nakime to get himself and everyone else ejected out of there.
Arkenis
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Why would this be 30%? Did I miss ya saying that?
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Yeah Urami was only unable to regen due to Zohakuten being a fat ass and hogging up the entire power system they use
Machmatej
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because that's the only deku with Low 7-B AP? i'm talking about a vs thread so AP has to be relative
Machmatej
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yh gl draining someone like kokushibo or akaza who only have to focus on one body and have way more power than hantenguYeah Urami was only unable to regen due to Zohakuten being a fat ass and hogging up the entire power system they use
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Why it gotta be rel if Muzan can just dodge and regen?
Machmatej
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because deku just erases him from existence with a 6-B punch that can clear the skies of Japan. also deku is way faster even at 45% so muzan wouldn't dodge forever, even if we assume he could tank his punches. and even if speed is equalized, deku has actual blitz amps
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but she did
why are we moving the goalpost guys lol
none of the above matters
and Demons tiring themselves from using their power too much just makes it worse
Arkenis
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Sounds like an undoable match, especially once Muzan becomes 9B.
Machmatej
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how is that moving the goalpost? hantengu has a finite amount of energy that he was draining all night, and when zohakuten came around he was draining way more than all his previous clones combined. and that still didn't even fully null his regeneration, it just slowed him down.but she did
why are we moving the goalpost guys lol
none of the above matters
and Demons tiring themselves from using their power too much just makes it worse
Machmatej
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i think dark hero deku at 30% vs muzan is possible but it requires a lot of assumptions. and i hope 9-B muzan is a joke
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Thats not even who Mitsuri foughtbut she did
Let me quote Chariot from yesterday when you tried to attempt a similar horrible argumentation against him
"are you this obtuse on purpose?"
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Ok So Deku Vs Akaza or Deku Vs Kokushibo. Pick your poison
Machmatej
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does deku really need to run the DS gauntlet lmao. he already beat tanjiro, the hashira, and yoriichi. at this point just make him fight the whole verse at once
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I mean he hasn't fought a Demon yet. Its like Hinokami Chronicles 1 releasing with zero demons in the game on day one.
Machmatej
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also forgot about soul damage. he doesn't have it in his dark hero key but it's technically an ability he always had. if we count it, then that could be a win condition since demons also have souls and little spiritual worlds
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original point was demons can be drained of their regen
and its literally made a point most of it was cuz of Mitsuri stalling Zonakuten
"didnt null his regen" why is bro not regening his limbs
bro what
Are you?
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Which I said good luck trying to pull this off in a reasonable timeframe
Why is Mitsuri stalling Zohakuten relevant. Her stalling him is because Zohakuten straight up can't die until Hantengu dies. Her doing that legit means Mitsuri never cooked his regen which is what you're trying to claim happened to him. Keep him mind he was MAX OUTPUT SPAMMING a barrage of BDAs and his regen never hindered.
These look like 2 different Demons to me.
(Notice how Zohakuten is straight up unaffected by anything happening to Hantengu and Urami until they died)
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Because Zohakuten drained the powers of Hantengu and Urami to power himself. Zohakuten might as well be the true Upper Moon 4 there because he was the only one with the Infinite Stamina there.
And dont go larping about some “Demons tire themselves from using their power” when Zohakuten is seen not fatigued despite spamming his entire blood demon art arsenal at max output for hours.
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Surely can be achieved before sunrise
and i said it as a possible wincon outside of sunrise
Cuz she's the reason Hantengu wasted so much power and his regen almost stopped
She managed to drain Hantengu almost to the point Urami's regen stopped working in a reasonable timeframe, i really doubt Mitsuri fought him for more than an hour if not much less
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but like if you're saying zonakuten and hantengu are different I KNOW, or that Hantengu and Urami are different I KNOW TOO
they all still share the power source from Hantengu
Machmatej
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yes and i never argued with that, I agree. i was just supporting cast's claim that you can't get a reasonable timeframe for that, which you can't, because hantengu was outputting energy all night long across multiple bodies, and zohakuten came along to drain much more than his previous clones combined. not to mention he was also burned by nezuko's fire (which nullifies regeneration), hurt several times by tanjiro's red blade (which also negates regeneration), and was continuously burning through his energy all night long. the point is, it's not really an exploitable weakness unless you have specific abilities that negate regen (or fire ig) and can fight for days or weeks without strain.
i mean, he was in the process of regenerating them when tanjiro decapitated him, so it wasn't fully nullified. and in that scene his arms were cut off while he was burning from Nezuko's bda, which, again, is supposed to fry demon blood and stop regeneration.
also my memory is a bit blurry, but i'm pretty sure he was regenerating his arms while the sun was rising. so yeah, "slowed down" is the proper term.
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why did he need to drain someone of power if he got infinite stamina huh?
oh and since when do only uppermoons have infinite stamina? wasnt it all demons?
you know that infinite stamina divided by 3 is still infinite right?
"larping"
Zonakuten not yet being fatigued since as BY YOUR OWN WORDS he's draining Hantengu's and Urami's power, does not mean he will never tire out
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it was ALMOST all drained before the sunrise
here you have it, reasonable timeframe
what says that regen neg burns power faster for demons?
Okay, but still, by his own words, its made clear he's close to running out of juice
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yes, and the timeframe in question is several hours if he constantly gets his blood fried while dividing his energy across multiple bodies. other demons (except doma probably) wouldn't have the same issues. it's very context specific
It's just a logical assumption considering regeneration and other demon abilities all stem from their blood, and more power means better regeneration. just look at kokushibo. he gets decapitated, drained of blood, and fried from the inside. he uses the remainder of his blood supply to regenerate his head and transform, but as a consequence, his body started falling apart and he could no longer regenerate. he couldn't even use a blood demon art at this point.
all of this was a consequence of getting stabbed with the red blade after getting his blood drained by genya's trees. he simply had no blood to use to heal or unleash a technique.
and i never said otherwise.
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so are u saying Hantengu is just so power Inefficient compared to everyone else? and constantly drained is a stretch tbh
i think all demons can suffer that issue from spamming BDA and regen too much
that's alot of things at play beyond just regen neg tho
Machmatej
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essentially, yes. because he's just doing too much with his blood demon art. and constantly getting burned and regen-negged also played a huge part in him actually being visibly tired and drained unlike every other demon.
it boils down to the same thing tho. it's blood. even as early as chapter 1 we know that a demon's healing ability is proportional to their strength, and their strength varies based on the amount of muzan's blood they've consumed (since they also eat humans for strength, human blood probably helps to a lesser degree). and considering they can regenerate their blood supply, the only way you can effectively strip them of their regen and bda is to drain their blood faster than they can replenish it.
edit: regen neg in demon slayer is also just burning a demon's cells (or in nezuko's case, their blood itself)
the only times demons struggle with regeneration and use of BDAs is when their blood supply is disrupted. ig you can argue they can drain their own blood too fast but that's never been an issue ever, even with demons like akaza or kokushibo whose entire fighting style revolves around spamming and overwhelming their opponent.
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No it isn’t. It straight up isn’t reasonable unless you have a literal ability to that counters their regen/blood/stamina
Do you see Zohakuten HIMSELF suffering any regen or stamina issues. You know the guy with the actual power of an Upper Moon.
Again do you see Zohakuten HIMSELF literally struggling to regen or have stamina issues. Zohakuten also fought the Kamado Trio for hours both while as separate entities and fused into one.
Ok so you should already know that Zohakuten straight up had no issues compared to Urami and Hantengu
.You are phrasing it like the guy drained a random ass dude for power. He drained another Emotion Clone for power of the same power source. They have infinite stamina because of their blood.
He literally FOUGHT THE ENTIRE night. The clones literally showed ZERO FATIGUE when as 4 separate entities and when they were combined as 1.
Who has this weakness in KNY bro
Not like this guy spammed his BDA and showed zero fatigue from it.
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Goons in the MHA thread debating DS mechanics, LEAVE
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Jujutsu Kaisen just got a bunch more High 7-C characters, we can make a whole bunch of interesting matchups against them now with our own High 7-Cs! Hint hint nudge nudge move on from the topic.
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