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Dragon Ball Toei Revisions (Part 1): Ability Additions + More

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This revision focuses on replacing some abilities with anime scans, adding new abilities, or updating justifications for some abilities. It'll mostly cover Goku's OGDB profile, and other abilities/resistances that many other characters would also have. There will also be other more broad additions in this CRT.

Ki Page (Universal Toei Section)

Abilities
Also changing "Advanced Ki Sensing" for characters with high-end ki sensory to "Enhanced Ki Sensing" or "Greater Ki Sensing" the former just didn't make sense really and the other two terms or used more throughout the wiki, I'm more so leaning with using enhanced since it just looks better really.

All Kamehameha Users

Abilities

All Toei Saiyans

Abilities
Resistance to:
Limited Resistance to:

Son Goku (Pilaf Arc)

Abilities
Resistance to:

Son Goku (21st Budokai)

Abilities
Resistance to:
Limited Resistance to:

Son Goku (Red Ribbon Army Saga)

Abilities
Resistance to:

Son Goku (22nd Budokai)

Abilities

Son Goku (23 Budokai)

Abilities

Goku (Beginning of Z)​

Enhanced Resistance to:

Goku/Gohan/Piccolo/Vegeta (Post-Room of Spirit and Time Training, second trip for Vegeta) (Done)​

Resistance to:

Son Goku/Vegeta (Majin Buu Arc)

Possibly Resistance to:
All of these have been ability additions, the rest of the page will focus on more broad stuff.



Goku (Post-Gravity Training) False SSJ and Kaioken Upgrade

It's confirmed he can use Kaioken up to 100x in a movie guide and this is already accepted on his GT profile. False Super Saiyan is also just this film's early rendition of Super Saiyan before the design was finalised so it should also be 50x:
  • Goku (Post-Gravity Training): 1.2645 KiloQuettatons (High 4-C) & >152.07 Million c (Massively FTL+)
    • Kaioken Goku: 2.529 KiloQuettatons (High 4-C) & >304.14 Million c (Massively FTL+)
    • Kaioken x10 Goku: 12.645 KiloQuettatons (High 4-C) & >1.5207 Billion c (Massively FTL+)
    • "False" Super Saiyan Goku: 2.64539748954 Foe (High 4-C) & >7.6035 Billion c (Massively FTL+)
    • Kaioken x100 Goku: 5.29079497908 Foe (High 4-C) & >15.207 Billion c (Massively FTL+)

Charged Attack Ratings

Simply adding the variable charged attack higher ratings from this thread and this thread for the Toei versions of the characters. It should be noted that this doesn't change any actual current tiers.

Others

  • For Goku's Z Toei profile his first ability tabber will just say "All previous abilities from his Dragon Ball self, plus:" and for his resistance section: "All previous resistances from his Dragon Ball self, plus Resistance to:" with all abilities that were already from his OGDB self (that aren't enhanced versions like Supernatural Willpower) being removed. This helps applying changes more easily as new abilities will just need to be added on one profile instead of multiple, and prevents the P&A from being redundant, not matching the same quality of justifications as other profiles, or just from being inconsistent from each other. I would do this for GT Goku as well but more has to be done before that believe it or not.
  • Information Analysis should be removed from Manga DB Goku's 21st Budokai key as that is something demonstrated in the 22nd Budokai, it's even re-stated in that tabber again (not even as an enhanced version) so it should be removed from there.
  • Change OGDB Goku's resistance to harsh temperatures from limited to just regular resistance, to match the manga version, since it's the same level of endurance in both versions.
  • Remove Aura from all the profiles as the ki page covers it, abilities that are extensions of aura which are exclusive to some character of course don't removed (Like GT Goku's aura abilities).
References for everything are of course included in a sandbox I have. Although this is a lot this is still only about halfway through fixing the profiles so lol, which part 2 will mostly fix.
 
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Fire Manipulation (Ki attacks are capable of generating fire) heat generation is already listed under basic ki attacks
Only the third example is valid. Dende, being a genius-class Dragon Clan Namekian, is a magic user; and Gohan's blast only cooks the meat, which is achieved via Heat Generation.https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Electricity_Manipulation
Very obviously a visual effect.

Possibly Resistance to:

No.https://imgur.com/a/CaOhZl7
False Super Saiyan is also just this film's early rendition of Super Saiyan before the design was finalised so it should also be 50x:
Source? Because Daizenshuu 7 simply describes the form as "similar" to Super Saiyan.
 
Only the third example is valid. Dende, being a genius-class Dragon Clan Namekian, is a magic user; and Gohan's blast only cooks the meat, which is achieved via Heat Generation.https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Electricity_Manipulation
Dende just blatantly makes a ki ball that then turns into flames, and the meat in the second one bursts into flames after a delay from it being heated
Very obviously a visual effect.
Second one could be but the first one still has the electricity trailing off his hand even after he strikes Piccolo, so it's not a visual effect for him striking a vital part or some kind

?
 
Only the third example is valid. Dende, being a genius-class Dragon Clan Namekian, is a magic user; and Gohan's blast only cooks the meat, which is achieved via Heat Generation.https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Electricity_Manipulation

Very obviously a visual effect.

No.

Source? Because Daizenshuu 7 simply describes the form as "similar" to Super Saiyan.

It's not a visual effect; it's related to the force fields and electricity generation aspects of ki manipulation. There you'll see that those lightning bolts, in that same fight, burned things around them, like leaves, when they came into contact with them.
 
Dende just blatantly makes a ki ball that then turns into flames
The ball of light Dende creates not only instantly becomes a fire, but also uses a different sound effect than Ki Manipulation Techniques do; later in the episode, Frieza creates his Kienzan, and said technique is produced using the typical Ki sound effect, which contrasts with Dende's.
and the meat in the second one bursts into flames after a delay from it being heated
After a delay. The fire was created as a byproduct of the heat of Gohan's blast. Fire is a chemical reaction, and Gohan overcooking the meat, which is flammable, triggered a fire. He did not literally create fire, though; we can see both the blast and the immediate aftermath, and neither are flames.
There you'll see that those lightning bolts, in that same fight, burned things around them, like leaves, when they came into contact with them.
You should've used the clip where they legitimately generate electric auras which interact with the physical world first, then, instead of the glorified hit markers.
 
Everything here is an easy agree, though uh…
Son Goku (Pilaf Arc) still needs power mimicry
…Is this a reminder for us or you?

Also-also, I’d suggest putting Radiation Empowerment as well, since in GT we learn that raw Blutz Waves given to Saiyans can literally act to refill Ki.
 
The ball of light Dende creates not only instantly becomes a fire, but also uses a different sound effect than Ki Manipulation Techniques do; later in the episode, Frieza creates his Kienzan, and said technique is produced using the typical Ki sound effect, which contrasts with Dende's.
Ki uses a variety of different sound effects in the series so I'm not sure about that. I just don't see how this relates to magic more than it does with ki, at least not definitively
Everything here is an easy agree, though uh…

…Is this a reminder for us or you?
Yeah my bad lol I decided to move that to another CRT for the future
Also-also, I’d suggest putting Radiation Empowerment as well, since in GT we learn that raw Blutz Waves given to Saiyans can literally act to refill Ki.
Sure I'll see if I can add it later today. Sorry for the late responses I fell terribly ill
 
 
I'm gonna be honest this barely works most of the time
 
This is another one of those endless topics... If this were a debunk, 50 administrators would have already appeared.
 
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