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Ah yes, they already have it. I was thinking of using the "enhanced" form in the future.
You know the Grand Inquisitor? He was sliced by Luke and then regenerated. Could we use that for immortality/regeneration for the Force Spirits? Because, technically, that form of the Grand Inquisitor would be an inferior state to that of a Force Spirit since he never became one with the Force (Vader prevented him from moving forward).
Does this count? Because I think this is only for people who have a physical body.
“Astral Projection is the ability to separate one's spirit/soul from one's body. The user can exit their body and gain access to Astral Plane, where they can exist as a spirit. It allows the user to communicate and interact with spirits/souls.”
Yeah, it is probably for Grand Master Luke Skywalker since he did use it in the Sequel Trilogy, but if you ask me, we know that Force Ghost can manifest themselves in both Legends and Canon so I can see the argument that they technically have a body, but it is the spiritual body manifesting itself or something like that.
“Astral Projection is the ability to separate one's spirit/soul from one's body. The user can exit their body and gain access to Astral Plane, where they can exist as a spirit. It allows the user to communicate and interact with spirits/souls.”
Yeah, it is probably for Grand Master Luke Skywalker since he did use it in the Sequel Trilogy, but if you ask me, we know that Force Ghost can manifest themselves in both Legends and Canon so I can see the argument that they technically have a body, but it is the spiritual body manifesting itself or something like that.
Assuming Luke did actually interact with the Grand Inquisitor, it would been a form of NPI, but I not so sure on spiritual regeneration completely there myself.
It might count as such, but not so sure myself there without further context.
Also I am pretty sure Ghosts are normally treated as intangible (Key word normally) by default since Luke is getting NON Physical Interaction as a ability too (As far as I am aware, non of the Force Ghost was shown to being interactive with living beings for the most part)
Yes, but I mentioned him to see if it's possible to compare his regeneration/immortality with Force Spirits. Since the Grand Inquisitor's spirit was fatalized and regenerated.
Yes, but I mentioned him to see if it's possible to compare his regeneration/immortality with Force Spirits. Since the Grand Inquisitor's spirit was fatalized and regenerated.
The projectile giving off light or being infused with light doesn't contradict it being plasma, but it being called plasma or particle beams or bolts definitely contradicts the projectile going at light speed if you know even a little bit of physics. The entire point of light and why it travels so fast is because it is massless.
Really? We going to try to call I-Five’s lasers “blasters” now? Despite the fact they are constantly specified as lasers and never called blasters?
Laser weapons are neither exotic (turbolasers are literally strapped to like every ship lol) nor the only common energy weapons encountered. Ion weapons are incredibly common.
The best you can say is that some types of blasters are LS off of being pure energy or light (like Ion weapons which are sometimes called blasters). Essentially anything that needs only a power pack for ammo and not physical matter to use as projectiles.
Got to love being insulted for caring about basic physics. Yep, must be a complete fraud and fake fan.
A). Star Wars physics is 1-1 with IRL physics (it is most certainly not)
B). The minority of sources that call it plasma overrides the majority that call it coherent light or lasers (it does not, they exist on the same canon level)
They are also precisely called massless (source) so that point is moot anyways.
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Look at you, committing arguments from ignorance. I was supposed to prove that blasters are energy weapons. I did. I also proved that lasers and blasters are the same. I proved I-Five is shooting coherent light/lasers, which are descriptions given to blasters. You either didn't read my response, or you're ignoring the statements I sent. I don't need to respond to this.
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I don't need to respond to this as well as it doesn't contend the fact that Form III is a defensive, blaster-deflecting form, which was the main issue, not some semantical rant about "exotic weapons". Please track.
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You are arguing a fictional verse. Sorry to say, but maybe, just maybe, it doesn't work on IRL physics. If you are so in love with it, stop VS debating.
It is still a weird (also probably disingenuous) argument to say blasters ain’t energy weapon since they are a type of energy weapon, I think he just disagreed with the speed of said blaster bolts and so on is what I understanding there
A). Star Wars physics is 1-1 with IRL physics (it is most certainly not)
B). The minority of sources that call it plasma overrides the majority that call it coherent light or lasers (it does not, they exist on the same canon level)
Pretty much every source that talks about blasters mentions they are particle bolts or beams. The entire idea that they are light speed is based on the real world idea that lasers are light speed.
Sure I will grant that blasters are sometimes called energy weapons. I will also point out that ion weapons and laser weaponry are also sometimes called blasters.
The key point is that many blaster designs don’t fire pure energy or light. Most handheld designs fire plasmatic particle beams/bolts using gas cartridges as ammo. These are fundamental differences as to the design and functionality of how the underlying mechanism of the projectile works.
I proved I-Five is shooting coherent light/lasers, which are descriptions given to blasters. You either didn't read my response, or you're ignoring the statements I sent. I don't need to respond to this.
I don't need to respond to this as well as it doesn't contend the fact that Form III is a defensive, blaster-deflecting form, which was the main issue, not some semantical rant about "exotic weapons". Please track.
You are arguing a fictional verse. Sorry to say, but maybe, just maybe, it doesn't work on IRL physics. If you are so in love with it, stop VS debating.
I had thought more in terms of High-Mid. I mean, I think it could probably be low godly considering that the initial state of a force spirit is in unity with the Force and whenever they appear they have to reform their bodies.
I had thought more in terms of High-Mid. I mean, I think it could probably be low godly considering that the initial state of a force spirit is in unity with the Force and whenever they appear they have to reform their bodies.
The purpose of this thread is to propose a new Power/Ability page, Soul Regeneration. There are characters in fiction that have the ability to heal damage to their soul, similarly to Regeneration, but purely soul or spiritual based. First let's go over the main things that separate this power...
I had thought more in terms of High-Mid. I mean, I think it could probably be low godly considering that the initial state of a force spirit is in unity with the Force and whenever they appear they have to reform their bodies.
Just out of curiosity, did Luke actually slice him in half or just slice parts of his body?
Edit: This was accepted here from that thread regarding metaphysical Regeneration
"If a character's ability to regenerate is limited to certain conditions, the character page should provide a detailed explanation of those circumstances. If the character can only regenerate from damage that is covered by a higher type of regeneration, but not from damage that should be included in a lower type, the page should list the lowest type for which all qualifiers are fulfilled, or none if not even Low Regeneration is fulfilled. The extent of the regeneration should then be explained in an additional note.
For example, if a character can regenerate from having their head destroyed but not from having their heart destroyed, they would be listed as having Low-Mid regeneration. The page would explain that the character can regenerate from head damage as long as their heart remains intact. If a character can only regenerate damage to their soul but not their body, their page would explain that they have soul-specific regeneration and list no type. Similarly, if a character can regenerate their concept but not their body, their page would list them as having regeneration with an explanation that it is concept-specific and has no type."
So yeah, I think you can do it like this since the Grand Inquisitor was already sliced by Luke .
Just out of curiosity, did Luke actually slice him in half or just slice parts of his body?
Edit: This was accepted here from that thread regarding metaphysical Regeneration
"If a character's ability to regenerate is limited to certain conditions, the character page should provide a detailed explanation of those circumstances. If the character can only regenerate from damage that is covered by a higher type of regeneration, but not from damage that should be included in a lower type, the page should list the lowest type for which all qualifiers are fulfilled, or none if not even Low Regeneration is fulfilled. The extent of the regeneration should then be explained in an additional note.
For example, if a character can regenerate from having their head destroyed but not from having their heart destroyed, they would be listed as having Low-Mid regeneration. The page would explain that the character can regenerate from head damage as long as their heart remains intact. If a character can only regenerate damage to their soul but not their body, their page would explain that they have soul-specific regeneration and list no type. Similarly, if a character can regenerate their concept but not their body, their page would list them as having regeneration with an explanation that it is concept-specific and has no type."
Also while I looking into the Force Unleashed stuff, it is confirmed that the Force Unleashed series was multimedia which make sense since it is mentioned like twice.
"LucasArts is preparing an unprecedented promotional effort around the launch of The Force Unleashed, encompassing a full line of toys and game-based action figures from Hasbro, as well as a full publishing program from Dark Horse, Del Rey and Palace Press."
So what I getting out of this is technically the game is primary canon in the case of Star War the Force Unleashed series especially since they already admitted other media in the Force Unleashed series are meant to still supplement the video game in question so they should been secondary canon too.
So what I getting out of this is technically the game is primary canon in the case of Star War the Force Unleashed series especially since they already admitted other media in the Force Unleashed series are meant to still supplement the video game in question so they should been secondary canon too.
Not gonna agree with you on that part since that wasn’t actually say from the source you provided in trying to make it the primary canon though.
In fact, you just outright confirm that the novel adapts the events of the game.
“The official The Force Unleashed novel by author Sean Williams will cover the events of the game, as well as provide fans with a more in-depth story than they will get from the game alone.”
What the novel and comic/graphic novels does confirm it is the light side ending that is canon rather as the novels is the supplementary material that will still provide a more in-depth storytelling compared to the visual medium for the game itself.
Edit: So technically the video game is primary canon (They promote the video game before the release otherwise, they wouldn’t gone out of their way of mentioning the video games multiple times in the sources I can find in that regard)
Not gonna agree with you on that part since that wasn’t actually say from the source you provided in trying to make it the primary canon though.
In fact, you just outright confirm that the novel adapts the events of the game.
“The official The Force Unleashed novel by author Sean Williams will cover the events of the game, as well as provide fans with a more in-depth story than they will get from the game alone.”
What the novel and comic/graphic novels does confirm it is the light side ending that is canon rather as the novels is the supplementary material that will still provide a more in-depth storytelling compared to the visual medium for the game itself.
Edit: So technically the video game is primary canon (They promote the video game before the release otherwise, they wouldn’t gone out of their way of mentioning the video games multiple times in the sources I can find in that regard)
The official The Force Unleashed novel by author Sean Williams will cover the events of the game, as well as provide fans with a more in-depth story than they will get from the game alone. Although the game features multiple endings, this novel will be one of the only places where fans will be able to find the official "canon" ending -- the definitive conclusion that will mold the events of the Star Wars galaxy for the future.
You just prove my point as it doesn’t negate the fact the video game is the primary canon while the novel is covering the events of the game.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too (meaning the novel can’t been primary canon while it is a secondary canon adaptation of the video game and supplementary material for that matter) as the link already mentioned here.
“The official The Force Unleashed novel by author Sean Williams will cover the events of the game, as well as provide fans with a more in-depth story than they will get from the game alone”
You just prove my point as it doesn’t negate the fact the video game is the primary canon while the novel is covering the events of the game.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too (meaning the novel can’t been primary canon while it is a secondary canon adaptation of the video game and supplementary material for that matter) as the link already mentioned here.
The fact that it gives a new version of events which were originally portrayed in the game doesn’t change the fact that it is the novel’s version of events that are explicitly stated to take precedence as the official canon.
The fact that it gives a new version of events which were originally portrayed in the game doesn’t change the fact that it is the novel’s version of events that are explicitly stated to take precedence as the official canon.
It isn’t the new version of events though. It giving the definitive official “canon” ending with the quotes on the canon part due to the multiple endings we were shown in the game, it doesn’t invalidated what happened in the game. It supports what has happened in the game.
So I gonna disagree with your interpretation of the evidence
It isn’t the new version of events though. It giving the definitive official “canon” ending with the quotes on the canon part due to the multiple endings we were shown in the game, it doesn’t invalidated what happened in the game. It supports what has happened in the game.
So I gonna disagree with your interpretation of the evidence
The entire point of the novel is to “provide fans with a more in-depth story than they will get from the game alone” while clarifying the “official "canon" ending -- the definitive conclusion that will mold the events of the Star Wars galaxy for the future” - so if we are getting the actual details of events from the novel and the official canonical version of the timeline from the novel, in what sense is the game the Primary Canon at all?
The entire point of the novel is to “provide fans with a more in-depth story than they will get from the game alone” while clarifying the “official "canon" ending -- the definitive conclusion that will mold the events of the Star Wars galaxy for the future” - so if we are getting the actual details of events from the novel and the official canonical version of the timeline from the novel, in what sense is the game the Primary Canon at all?
You literally are backing up my own argument that the novels are supplementary materials that support the game.
Like you do realize what you just say support my argument that the novels helps expand and explore the events of the game.
I already spell out what I have already stated from the start.
The novels are used to support what happens in the game while canonizing a single ending.
You can’t just say the novels is primary canon while also misleading people to ignore what happened in the game. Again, we know the event of the game is already being adapted into the novels that was meant to supplement the game post release and all.
I don’t exactly buying the argument you have with “but the novels is primary canon” while it simply expands on the game’s storyline and all that part.
Anyway, beside my disagreement with Eyriel, I was made aware of a quote from the Star Wars Force Unleashed novel that was overlooked apparently.
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The future was a mess of possibilities—some likely, some incredibly unlikely—shot through with hard certainties that were unchanged in every outcome. The Death Star was one such certainty: an enormous battle station that, when completed, would rain still more terror on the Emperor’s subjects and ensure his domination of the galaxy. Its location was another certainty, and that this was where Vader had taken his prisoners.
The apprentice knew exactly that much with confidence. The rest was a morass of contradictions. In some futures, he survived; in others he fell. Juno lived; Juno died. They were together; they were apart. The Rebels prevailed; the Rebels were annihilated. In one future, even PROXY was still alive, something that had patently not occurred in the timeline he occupied. - The Force Unleashed: Chapter 37, Page 250 - 251“
Apparently his ability to see multiple futures was present here during the original trilogy and it does seem to check out from here too
You literally are backing up my own argument that the novels are supplementary materials that support the game.
Like you do realize what you just say support my argument that the novels helps expand and explore the events of the game.
I already spell out what I have already stated from the start.
The novels are used to support what happens in the game while canonizing a single ending.
You can’t just say the novels is primary canon while also misleading people to ignore what happened in the game. Again, we know the event of the game is already being adapted into the novels that was meant to supplement the game post release and all.
I don’t exactly buying the argument you have with “but the novels is primary canon” while it simply expands on the game’s storyline and all that part.
It doesn’t though. The novels supports what did happen in the game.
Also, I get the WOG statement being used here, but it was originally involved the KOTOR game. In addition to that, I not sure how I feel about the general question and the answer from Holocron Keep in as he didn’t specify it being exclusively to Star Wars though.
Also, you do realize you are supporting my arguments that the novels supports the game with this Twitter Tweet as well so not sure why you trying desperately to disprove my point of the game being the primary canon here.
Anyway, we have three different sources that the Force Unleashed series is multimedia which the central piece being the game itself.
They have provided ample sources on making the Force Unleash series being focusing on the game itself while the adaptations expand on the game’s storyline and all that.
Also, I get the WOG statement being used here, but it was originally involved the KOTOR game. In addition to that, I not sure how I feel about the general question and the answer from Holocron Keep in as he didn’t specify it being exclusively to Star Wars though.
“The launch of this new game, from the creators of the saga, will rival major motion pictures in its marketing budget—featuring multi-media advertising reaching tens of millions of fans around the world.”
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LucasArts is preparing an unprecedented promotional effort around the launch of The Force Unleashed, encompassing a full line of toys and game-based action figures from Hasbro, as well as a full publishing program from Dark Horse, Del Rey and Palace Press."
”The saga continues in Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, a video game developed by LucasArts which casts players as Darth Vader's "Secret Apprentice" and promises to unveil new revelations about the Star Wars galaxy.
The expansive story, created under direction from George Lucas, is set during the largely unexplored era between Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope. In it, players will assist the iconic villain in his quest to rid the universe of Jedi -- and face decisions that could change the course of their destiny.
As its name implies, The Force Unleashed completely re-imagines the scope and scale of the Force by taking full advantage of newly developed technologies that will be seen and experienced for the first time: Digital Molecular Matter (DMM), by Pixelux Entertainment, and euphoria by NaturalMotion Ltd.
Paired with the powerful Havok Physics™ system, these new technologies create gameplay only possible on the new generation of consoles. DMM incorporates the physical properties of anything in the environment so that everything reacts exactly like it should -- wood breaks like wood, glass shatters like glass, plants on the planet Felucia bend like plants on the planet Felucia would, and more. Meanwhile, as a revolutionary behavioral-simulation engine, euphoria enables interactive characters to move, act and even think like actual human beings, adapting their behavior on the fly and resulting in a different payoff every single time.
Working with its sister company Lucas Licensing, LucasArts is preparing an unprecedented promotional effort around the launch of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed, encompassing a full line of toys and game-based action figures from Hasbro, as well as a full publishing program from Dark Horse, Del Rey and Palace Press.”
Most important thing clarified in the novel powerscaling wise was that the Star Destroyer that Starkiller TKed in the game was in fact already damaged and crashing straight towards him (so Starkiller just needed to pitch its angle to crash in front of him instead of on top of him, rather than him being the one to pull it out of the sky to begin with).
It does as the other option is to make the games, graphics novels, and novels to being equal canon precedence. Again, the novels promotes the games and support what happens in the games so I don’t see your argument as being solid as you are suggesting here.
Either way, I have to point out the scene was already played out here in the game with the redirection as well.
Actually looking into the feat a bit more, it did mention the Star Destroyer was apparently resisting the Telekinesis attempt by Galen Marek as the Star Destroyer was aiming for Starkiller as it is mentioned in the novel, it was still in the sky of Raxus Prime.
IIRC, they downgraded the lifting feat from the original rating to Class M as a a result of the Imperial Star Destroyer being 1 million ton so still a downgrade here
