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Dante vs Kratos (Low 1-C edition)

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Pepsimanslover said:
Get that accepted. Otherwise Resistance Negation is not something he has.
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It's not a question of ability being there or not. I said they functionally work the same, especially in the given context. We are just dismissing nuance for sake of wiki standards which don't even align with definitions of abilities on pages.
(Dante adapted to the hazardous environment of the Demon World in his base form to overcome its effects. Dante can adapt to and negate the regeneration of demons that could regenerate from Dante's attacks in the first place. Dante was able to adapt by transforming instinctively to fight off Alice when she was absorbing his life force, and was capable of instinctively adapting by semi-transforming to fight off a Sin when he was stripping away his blood.)

Pepsimanslover said:
I could've said essentially the same for Hope Kratos in the start of the thread, where he should have Resistance Negation, however I got that accepted and put it in the profiles and then argued.
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Not exactly the same equivalence here.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Kratos invulnerability relies on Hope, DMC now has that stuff in da soul which means Dante has layers of concept stuff and shit meaning Hope ain't stopping him, hell Dante could destroy Hope itself then deal with Kratos as the easy prey
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Hope is Invulnerable to CM1 in the first place. Higher layers of a hax don't affect something that is Invulnerable to it in the first place. You need Invulnerability Negation.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
DT straight up makes it so Dante's presence destroy Kratos's mind and soul driving his ass mad and causing him to end himself.
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Which won't happen as he's protected by Hope in each aspect.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Sealing/BFR straight up takes your ass outside of reality in a gap that not even demons (who can cross between worlds) can reach and does what sealing does (i.e. seal your abilities). Assuming Kratos tanks the sealing part the BFR part is gonna leave his ass stranded in the backrooms.
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In which he attacks Dante with Hope from said range or travels back with Hypertimeline travel (which from my understanding isn't something normal demons do)
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Dante's brand of instinctive reaction means Kratos isn't touching him unless he starts hitting with some kind of immeasurable speed stuff since not even AoE or omnidirectional shit can hit him thank god for speed equal
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Wouldn't need too. Kratos can just use Hadean Energy to curse Dante, which nullifies his resistances and lets Kratos psychological hurt him without needing to physically attack.
GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
It's not a question of ability being there or not. I said they functionally work the same, especially in the given context. We are just dismissing nuance for sake of wiki standards which don't even align with definitions of abilities on pages.
(Dante adapted to the hazardous environment of the Demon World in his base form to overcome its effects. Dante can adapt to and negate the regeneration of demons that could regenerate from Dante's attacks in the first place. Dante was able to adapt by transforming instinctively to fight off Alice when she was absorbing his life force, and was capable of instinctively adapting by semi-transforming to fight off a Sin when he was stripping away his blood.)


Not exactly the same equivalence here.
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That's just their RE tho. And neg for Regen isn't exactly Resistance Negation.
 
GoW conceptslop should get slimed but that's a discussion regarding a silly misconception of how concepts work or should be explained people aren't ready for
 
I'm voting Hope Kratos for Resistance Neg and Invulnerability.

Dante if we're still going with Valhalla Key.
 
How many votes so far? Thing's stretched for 5 pages.
 
Pepsimanslover said:
Hope is Invulnerable to CM1 in the first place. Higher layers of a hax don't affect something that is Invulnerable to it in the first place. You need Invulnerability Negation.
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Hope is invulnerable to what? 9 layers of CM1? You got proof it can do higher? If not then it ain't stopping Dante as it would be a NLF to assume it is invulnerable of something higher much, much higher magnitude that targets the source of said invulnerability

Pepsimanslover said:
Which won't happen as he's protected by Hope in each aspect.
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layers, potency, some other bs... take your pick fam
Pepsimanslover said:
In which he attacks Dante with Hope from said range or travels back with Hypertimeline travel (which from my understanding isn't something normal demons do)
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That's still 5D range, Dante is sending the targets outside of a 5D range... unless hypertimeline is higher than 5D

Pepsimanslover said:
Wouldn't need too. Kratos can just use Hadean Energy to curse Dante, which nullifies his resistances and lets Kratos psychological hurt him without needing to physically attack.
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You mean the element based projectile attack that curses enemies or those in the video that are attacks that need to land? The videos of Kratos using it are of projectiles too

All of those he can dodge quite easily
 
Thermor said:
I don't think so since Kratos lost his conceptual invulnerability while Dante has 40 layers of CM1.
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Again, it's never been treated as immunity to CM, lol. Not much has changed on that end.
 
i thought people were saying conceptual invulnerability gives you invulnerability to layers...problem is kratos doesn't have that anymore
 
Robo432343 said:
i thought people were saying conceptual invulnerability gives you invulnerability to layers...problem is kratos doesn't have that anymore
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Kratos has never had immunity to layers nor has that factored into any of his matches...

He has Reactive Evolution to grow in layers. And Resistance Negation to bypass layers entirely.
 
Planck69 said:
Kratos has never had immunity to layers nor has that factored into any of his matches...

He has Reactive Evolution to grow in layers. And Resistance Negation to bypass layers entirely.
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btw how do we treat that? do we say they can jump any amount of layers? go one by one? etc
 
Wait I want to ask something important, does souls in GoW has abstract existence for info2 aspect?
 
Thermor said:
Wait I want to ask something important, does souls in GoW has abstract existence for info2 aspect?
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Souls are merely constructs of Magic, which is an AE1 CM1 force, so yes.

Athena got AE1 for being able to transform into Magic. Primordials are literally made of that essence and are the most fundamental representations of the aspects of reality that they represent.
 
Thermor said:
Wait I want to ask something important, does souls in GoW has abstract existence for info2 aspect?
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Yeah. They're still constructs and manifestations of magic so they carry all its properties.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
btw how do we treat that? do we say they can jump any amount of layers? go one by one? etc
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For the Reactive Evolution? Kratos can jump one by one but it happens near immediately and seemingly without limit so far.
 
Then I think it's a stomp now since Dante cant interact with Kratos's soul unless he has incap options.
 
Planck69 said:
He doesn't have Logic Manip so no.


That's arguably worse, since it doesn't kill Kratos and he just eventually adapts anyways.
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how long will it take for him to adapt to that? Because it looks like Kratos gets stunned by madness hax initially and then Dante severely incaps him with layered CM 1 attacks while he is trying to recover from madness hax. I don't think Kratos can resurrect from layered CM 1 attacks unless his resurrection is high godly. How do you imagine the fight going?
 
Robo432343 said:
how long will it take for him to adapt to that? Because it looks like Kratos gets stunned by madness hax initially and then Dante severely incaps him with layered CM 1 attacks while he is trying to recover from madness hax. I don't think Kratos can resurrect from layered CM 1 attacks unless his resurrection is high godly. How do you imagine the fight going?
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Will the madness even work? His soul is now composed of something Dante can't interact with and his mind is but a component of that.

Even then, he adapted to Persephone mid battle so it wouldn't take that long to adapt. That and he was stripped of his layers entirely when Zeus blasted him into the Styx yet got them all back and then some by the time he fought Zeus again, albeit hours later.
 
Overall, either Dante can't interact with his soul and its a stomp.

Or he can and we're straight back to the discussion before Kratos got info, except now they can actually kill each other with one move.
 
he can interact with the CM 1 aspect of his soul but not the info aspect since souls in gow are accepted as cm 1
 
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