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My Hero Academia General Discussion Thread #18

The main issue in the Calculation Thread was that the storm couldn't significantly exceed the tropopause height over Japan's southwest (around 16 kilometers), meaning the entire storm had to fit within that 16-kilometer limit.

Needless to say, Australia is much closer to the equator and the tropics than Japan, meaning the tropopause is generally higher there, so storms in Australia cannot be used as a reference.
 
JoeDM021 said:
Alright guys

Its here

and oh boy does it have promising results

I debunked the cinematic timing problem and mentioned the constant speed problem as well (making a minor assumption with it)
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“promising results”
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Therefir said:
The main issue in the Calculation Thread was that the storm couldn't significantly exceed the tropopause height over Japan's southwest (around 16 kilometers), meaning the entire storm had to fit within that 16-kilometer limit.

Needless to say, Australia is much closer to the equator and the tropics than Japan, meaning the tropopause is generally higher there, so storms in Australia cannot be used as a reference.
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why should that be so? the only thing i could see that being an issue for is the cloud to sea level calculation in which i used the 16km thing like your calculation did

I would like to note the news reporter called the storm unprecedented meaning this storm at minimum exceeds any storm seen so it would go into conflict with that. The reason I used the 2020 australian bush fires is because its called unprecedented meaning I just took the biggest storm in recent times to use it for the calc as a base. Although can you give me the exact reason how it can't exceed that? cause to me so far its trying to limit a fictional story to real world limits
 
JoeDM021 said:
why should that be so? the only thing i could see that being an issue for is the cloud to sea level calculation in which i used the 16km thing like your calculation did
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I don't think you get it. The tropopause is basically the limit that stops storm clouds from growing upward, because the atmosphere becomes much more stable above it in the stratosphere. It has nothing to do with the height of the storm cloud base above sea level.

Very powerful thunderstorms can overshoot slightly above the tropopause, forming an overshooting top, but this is usually only a small amount, around 1-3 kilometers above the tropopause, and it's not a true sustained storm structure up there.

It's physically impossible for the MHA storm to be much taller than 16 kilometers.
 
Therefir said:
I don't think you get it. The tropopause is basically the limit that stops storm clouds from growing upward, because the atmosphere becomes much more stable above it in the stratosphere. It has nothing to do with the height of the storm cloud base above sea level.

Very powerful thunderstorms can overshoot slightly above the tropopause, forming an overshooting top, but this is usually only a small amount, around 1-3 kilometers above the tropopause, and it's not a true sustained storm structure up there.

It's physically impossible for the MHA storm to be much taller than 16 kilometers.
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read my full message please

I said "Although can you give me the exact reason how it can't exceed that? cause to me so far its trying to limit a fictional story to real world limits" at the end

Why should it be limited to that in the context this is fictional story which often doesn't abide by real world limitations? I need the full reason that was given so I can understand

but from what im getting your saying so far it cant be because it doesnt have an overshooting top?
 
I said "Although can you give me the exact reason how it can't exceed that? cause to me so far its trying to limit a fictional story to real world limits" at the end
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You're using real-life physics, real-life methods, and real-life storms to calculate a fictional storm from a world that's based exactly on ours but with Quirks and further into the future.

If, according to you, MHA's storms don't necessarily have to follow the same rules as real-world storms, then why are you using a real-life storm as a reference for the fictional one?
 
Therefir said:
You're using real-life physics, real-life methods, and real-life storms to calculate a fictional storm from a world that's based exactly on ours but with Quirks and further into the future.

If, according to you, MHA's storms don't necessarily have to follow the same rules as real-world storms, then why are you using a real-life storm as a reference for the fictional one?
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For the former thats literally how we calculate stuff why do you think appeal to reality exists? its like saying dragon ball should cap at Rela+ because the laws of relativity exist irl and mha has shown to break irl laws before like gshift ignoring the laws of inertia

for the latter I used a real world example just to get basis for the calc but if you want i can calc nines storm size and since its unprecedented it would be bigger then nines storm which easily dwarfed an island so it shouldnt be to hard to calc
 
Therefir said:
It's physically impossible for the MHA storm to be much taller than 16 kilometers.
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Is the 16km from sea level to top of cloud or from bottom of cloud 8km above sea level to top of cloud(height of cloud)??
Therefir said:
I mean why would it be a 5x speed multiplier? Storing and using five times the normal energy wouldn't make you five times faster. To move five times faster, you'd need 25 times more kinetic energy.
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It's the other way round ma boi:giggle:.
MochOath said:
why isnt Fa Jin being at least a 5x speed amp accepted here like it is for AP?
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I was also thinking about proposing this a while ago lol.

Would propose it after my MFTL+ gearshift Deku does not get thoroughly approved.
 
Is the 16km from sea level to top of cloud or from bottom of cloud 8km above sea level to top of cloud(height of cloud)??
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The tropopause just marks the boundary where clouds stop forming.

If a storm is 8 kilometers tall, its top should be right where the tropopause begins.
It's the other way round ma boi:giggle:.
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It's in both ways 👍
 
JoeDM021 said:
I would js like to bring up the atrocity that is the mha powerscaling sub reddit

what do we think of it?
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reddit scaling as a whole is in a horrible state. these guys go for the lowest of low balls, no matter the verse they're scaling. unless it's JJK of course.
 
57Dev said:
So he is actually working overseas but Doesn't call his son when gets into UA, or the sports festival. Doesn't come to japan to meet him after muscular puts him a ICU and doesn't show up post war.
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Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. A lack of proof for a claim’s existence does not equate to proof that the claim is false.

Just because we don't see any interaction doesn't mean it never happens.

It could just mean his father is so utterly unimportant that there's no need for the manga to highlight it. Considering what we have, I do believe that Izuku's father didn't come back to Japan during the majority of the series. However, Hisashi calling home to speak with Inko and Izuku is possible.

Inko lacks a job, so Hisashi is the one providing for them, although Inko also raised Izuku pretty much by herself. So Hisashi's absence is a hindrance. While not canon, it's interesting that Izuku in the video game admits that he misses his dad. I can understand being curious about someone you've never met, but Izuku actively missing him in the game means he does want to have a closer relationship with his dad. (Once again, it's not canon. He could also just be speaking politely.)

That means it's also inaccurate to say he never showed up post-war, since we have no evidence of that. We have an eight-year timeskip where a bunch of stuff happened offscreen. There are a lot of things we never seen, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. It means it's unknown. It's possible to be anything.

There are many moments where Inko is absent as well, but that doesn't mean she didn't visit or call.

We never see any of the Class 1-A parents, excluding Bakugo and Shoto, visit their kids in the hospital, but that doesn't mean they never visited or called them.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty. While Hiashi is neglectful, that doesn't mean he's malicious. Due to the massive lack of information, we can easily assign any reason to his actions, and they'd be unprovable. I'm going to choose the most positive explanation unless factual evidence comes out to contradict it.

JoeDM021 said:
Deku downgrade?
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IDK.

I'm focused on more important stuff right now.
 
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I mean tbh its not even a 5-B statement, at most its just same thing he does against Japan just on larger scale basically decaying down to the seabed. The average elevation of the Earth's land surface is 840 meters above sea level so it'd just be that with the total land surface area of earth. So the statement is more like a 6-B~High 6-A statement
 
Dalesean027 said:
I mean tbh its not even a 5-B statement, at most its just same thing he does against Japan just on larger scale basically decaying down to the seabed. The average elevation of the Earth's land surface is 840 meters above sea level so it'd just be that with the total land surface area of earth. So the statement is more like a 6-B~High 6-A statement
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it's moreso an upscale for decay's speed
 
Forgor I had this in my drafts but might as well ask it

If 5% is meant to be only a small boost in power couldn't it make more sense for his base to downscale to baseline 8-A+ instead?
The current thing of it being 3x his base due to Twin Impact seems past the definition of a small boost
 
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