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[Gp972]

It arrived late. I did this over a year ago with more evidence, but nothing was accepted. Wait for the remake to come out, and we'll update the Buu saga.

Buu Saga Definitive Review

Based on the canon evidence within the Dragon Ball series, there is substantial support for the claim that Majin Buu has the power to destroy the entire universe. First, Goku explicitly mentions that Kid Buu could obliterate the universe completely. This is a direct statement from one of the...

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Oh okey and what do You think of this

Goku's Universal Spirit Bomb (GBe) The Spirit Bomb used against Kid Buu is explicitly described as a sphere formed from the energy of the entire universe, specifically considering the Gravitational Binding Energy (GBe) of celestial bodies. This implies, at a minimum, the sum of the energy of all existing stars.

Calculations of GBe and effective energy of the Spirit Bomb (0.6%):

GBe of all celestial bodies in the observable universe: 5.0058 × 10⁵⁷ joules
Energy absorbed by the Spirit Bomb (0.6%): 3.003 × 10⁵⁵ J → solar system level (low end)

GBe to destroy a planet (in Dragon Ball): 7.3992 × 10⁶² joules
Energy absorbed by the Spirit Bomb (0.6%): 4.440 × 10⁶⁰ J → multi-solar system level (mid end)

Energy of the entire universe: 1 × 10⁷⁰ joules
Energy absorbed by the Spirit Bomb (0.6%): 6 × 10⁶⁷ J → Galaxy level (high end)

Goku not only manages to contain, push, and direct this amount of energy, but he also resists its recoil. He also mentions that the Spirit Bomb without the human's energy could not kill Kid Buu (something Goku could do with a charged attack), indicating that his energy capacity is comparable or superior.

Justification of the 0.6%: Although the Spirit Bomb only takes 0.6% of the total available energy, this fraction is enough to affect powerful beings like Oozaru Vegeta (ap ~3 quettatons), because even 0.6% of the Sun's energy (~570 quettatons) = 3.42 quettatons, exceeding Oozaru Vegeta's 3 quettatons.

 

[Sus]

what r yall yapping about we all know the cosmology is gokuversal

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Oh okey and what do You think of this

Goku's Universal Spirit Bomb (GBe) The Spirit Bomb used against Kid Buu is explicitly described as a sphere formed from the energy of the entire universe, specifically considering the Gravitational Binding Energy (GBe) of celestial bodies. This implies, at a minimum, the sum of the energy of all existing stars.

Calculations of GBe and effective energy of the Spirit Bomb (0.6%):

GBe of all celestial bodies in the observable universe: 5.0058 × 10⁵⁷ joules
Energy absorbed by the Spirit Bomb (0.6%): 3.003 × 10⁵⁵ J → solar system level (low end)

GBe to destroy a planet (in Dragon Ball): 7.3992 × 10⁶² joules
Energy absorbed by the Spirit Bomb (0.6%): 4.440 × 10⁶⁰ J → multi-solar system level (mid end)

Energy of the entire universe: 1 × 10⁷⁰ joules
Energy absorbed by the Spirit Bomb (0.6%): 6 × 10⁶⁷ J → Galaxy level (high end)

Goku not only manages to contain, push, and direct this amount of energy, but he also resists its recoil. He also mentions that the Spirit Bomb without human energy could not kill Kid Buu (something Goku could do with a charged attack), indicating that his energy capacity is comparable or superior.

Justification of the 0.6%: Although the Spirit Bomb only takes 0.6% of the total available energy, this fraction is enough to affect powerful beings like Oozaru Vegeta (ap ~3 quettatons), because even 0.6% of the Sun's energy (~570 quettatons) = 3.42 quettatons, exceeding Oozaru Vegeta's 3 quettatons.

You'll have to do that in the calculations business and ask for their support, but I thought it was cool. I don't understand anything about math and strange numbers like that.

 

[Gp972]

You'll have to do that in the calculations business and ask for their support, but I thought it was cool. I don't understand anything about math and strange numbers like that.

Ok

 

[Mgebrat282]

We don't just have "only one character's opinion", we have an actual, tangible feat: the shockwaves of a single punch between Goku and Beerus that could affect the Kai's realm from Earth

As well as an explanation from an old, knowledgeable character such as Elder Kai of the immediate danger that continuing the fight would cause.

The feat with shockwaves is useless and gets it nowhere because that shockwaves didn't even damage the Earth and humans on the planet they were made(in manga they did 0 impact). This makes the fact they could travel to Kaioshin realm is arguable and still won't get them nowhere(0 impact) because in colored version they are red, when all other shockwaves in manga are white(they are not usual shockwaves, making creating them a useless feat because we don't know a thing about them).
Also it's just his opinion, he's not omnipresent, so he doesn't know if it actually can happen or it's just his imagination(shockwaves did 0 impact, not even humans were harmed)

 

[Billybobjoe321]

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The shockwaves didn’t damage the earth because of the cushioning effect goku applied to them.
A lot of what you say here is covered in this blog

Dragon Ball Super: Battle of Gods

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Mbpoops]

Does each macrocosm have their own otherworld/afterlife? I rmb some dude in the top saying “lets go to otherworld together” implying that otherworl exists in other universes.

 

[Gp972]

Does each macrocosm have their own otherworld/afterlife? I rmb some dude in the top saying “lets go to otherworld together” implying that otherworl exists in other universes.

Yes.

 

[Mbpoops]

Yes.

Dope

 

[BoastJr]

Pretty sure Dragonball's "6 Universe" rating comes from Two GoDs who can destroy eachother's Macrocosm if they fight eachother

With the ToP's WoV being uneffected by 3 GoDs fighting in it so anyone who effects it scales to that tier (6 universes)

So yeah 1 Macrocosm = 3 universe kinda fits with whats accepted here

 

[Mbpoops]

Pretty sure Dragonball's "6 Universe" rating comes from Two Gods who can destroy eachother's Macrocosm

With th ToP's WoV being uneffected by 3 GoDs fighting in it

So yeah 1 Macrocosm = 3 universe kinda fits with whats accepted here

I love how its genuienly easier to go from l1c to 1c-1b than to go from 2c-2b

 

[StarShooter80]

Btw, do you know if infinite amount of infinite spaces(not space-times) mean 2-A or what?

A regular sized universe is Low 2-C with 3-A space within it. An infinitely sized universe is still Low 2-C but with High 3-A space within it. You need an infinite amount of Low 2-C structures for 2-A

 

[Bossbrosish]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/vegito-fights-himself-vegito-dbs-manga-vs-vegito-toei.188005/

 

[Gp972]

A regular sized universe is Low 2-C with 3-A space within it. An infinitely sized universe is still Low 2-C but with High 3-A space within it. You need an infinite amount of Low 2-C structures for 2-A

Yo, ednaxel, what do You think of this? https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gp972/Dbz_Universal_Genkidama_Scaling_(V2)

 

[Gp972]

Genkidama(Sun's Energy) ≈ Vegeta Oozaru (~3x10^36 Joules)

Genkidama with A bit of energy of a Star ≈ 3x10^36 Joules

The super Spirit Bomb gathered the energy of the entire universe

Stars in the universe: 3x10^23

3x10^23 J x 3x10^36 J = 9x10^59 J

Genkidama with a bit of Energy of all Stars in universe ≈ 9x10^59 (Multi Solar System)

Goku's charged attacks are comparable to the Spirit Bomb

A small amount of energy from a planet and its star has the capacity to severely damage Vegeta Oozaru, so a Spirit Bomb with all the stars should be vastly superior.

My blog

 

[Mgebrat282]

The shockwaves didn’t damage the earth because of the cushioning effect goku applied to them.
A lot of what you say here is covered in this blog

Dragon Ball Super: Battle of Gods

vsbattles.fandom.com

I'm talking about manga and there is no such thing

 

[Mgebrat282]

A regular sized universe is Low 2-C with 3-A space within it. An infinitely sized universe is still Low 2-C but with High 3-A space within it. You need an infinite amount of Low 2-C structures for 2-A

If there is an infinite amount of infinite spaces in one dimension, can we call this dimension higher dimensional?

 

[StarShooter80]

If there is an infinite amount of infinite spaces in one dimension, can we call this dimension higher dimensional?

That's just an infinite amount of infinity which is, well still infinite and not higher dimensional

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

The feat with shockwaves is useless and gets it nowhere because that shockwaves didn't even damage the Earth and humans on the planet they were made(in manga they did 0 impact).

Shaking something, even without causing destruction, is still a feat. Not "useless" as you want it to be

This makes the fact they could travel to Kaioshin realm is arguable

It literally is not. We see the shockwaves effect reaching the Kaioshin realm, bruh

and still won't get them nowhere(0 impact), because in colored version they are red when all other shockwaves in manga are white

Oh, so they are useless because... they are red instead of white? Bruh

(they are not usual shockwaves,

"They are not usual shockwaves" doesn't make them meaningless

making creating them a useless feat because we don't know a thing about them).

Yes, we know they could significantly affect a 2-C realm and make a the character who knows Beerus the most besides Whis in U7 think the universe will end up destroyed

Also it's just his opinion, he's not omnipresent,

Omnipresent

so he doesn't know if it actually can happen or it's just his imagination

Occam's razor. This level of argument is even worse than the "Saitama just destroyed photons" thing

(shockwaves did 0 impact, not even humans were harmed)

Yeah, hence why the feat is eventually across the fight, not instantaneous.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Shaking something, even without causing destruction, is still a feat. Not "useless" as you want it to be

It literally is not. We see the shockwaves effect reaching the Kaioshin realm, bruh

Oh, so they are useless because... they are red instead of white? Bruh

"They are not usual shockwaves" doesn't make them meaningless

Those shockwaves didn't shake a thing, they just appeared and did nothing. If they worked like real waves, then the Earth and the entire universe of the living world would have been destroyed (it would have taken more infinite energy to reach the Afterlife and Kaioshin realm, and there would have been more of it at the epicenter), but they didn't even feel it. Therefore, they were not ordinary waves, but because of this, we cannot give them or Goku and Beerus anything for creating them, as we do not know how much energy they would have required.

Yes, we know they could significantly affect a 2-C realm and make a the character who knows Beerus the most besides Whis in U7 think the universe will end up destroyed

Occam's razor. This level of argument is even worse than the "Saitama just destroyed photons" thing

Yeah, hence why the feat is eventually across the fight, not instantaneous.

That's why it's funny, they didn't affect a thing, even humans in the epicenter were okay. If shockwaves were so weak, then they couldn't destroy the universe even in millenia(the same applies for Goku and Beerus). And Kaioshin's statement is based on nothing, just his opinion from nowhere, shockwaves were weak and the universe turns out to be okay in the end of Goku and Beerus fight(they didn't use a thing in manga to negate shockwaves, just keept punching each other with full strenght).
In conclusion, it's not a feat, it's a statement not better than DBZ statements about characters capable to destroy the universe.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Shaking something, even without causing destruction, is still a feat. Not "useless" as you want it to be

It literally is not. We see the shockwaves effect reaching the Kaioshin realm, bruh

Oh, so they are useless because... they are red instead of white? Bruh

"They are not usual shockwaves" doesn't make them meaningless

Yes, we know they could significantly affect a 2-C realm and make a the character who knows Beerus the most besides Whis in U7 think the universe will end up destroyed



Occam's razor. This level of argument is even worse than the "Saitama just destroyed photons" thing

Yeah, hence why the feat is eventually across the fight, not instantaneous.

Shockwaves weren't even strong enough to destroy the planet they were created, THAT'S A FEAT

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Those shockwaves didn't shake a thing, they just appeared and did nothing. If they worked like real waves, then the Earth and the entire universe of the living world would have been destroyed (it would have taken more infinite energy to reach the Afterlife and Kaioshin realm, and there would have been more of it at the epicenter), but they didn't even feel it. Therefore, they were not ordinary waves, but because of this, we cannot give them or Goku and Beerus anything for creating them, as we do not know how much energy they would have required.

That's why it's funny, they didn't affect a thing, even humans in the epicenter were okay. If shockwaves were so weak, then they couldn't destroy the universe even in millenia(the same applies for Goku and Beerus). And Kaioshin's statement is based on nothing, just his opinion from nowhere, shockwaves were weak and the universe turns out to be okay in the end of Goku and Beerus fight(they didn't use a thing in manga to negate shockwaves, just keept punching each other with full strenght).
In conclusion, it's not a feat, it's a statement not better than DBZ statements about characters capable to destroy the universe.

It did not destroy the universe because Goku was able, at the last moment, to control his power, which caused the shockwaves to stop. Otherwise, everything would have been destroyed into nothingness. Moreover, those shockwaves actually destroyed extremely distant planets, which means the shockwaves were occurring at a very wide range far from the point of impact. If those punches had continued, everything would have been destroyed into nothingness. This did not happen because Goku managed, at the last moment, to control the trajectory and balance of his punch, allowing him to learn how to properly control his power after becoming a leader.

 

[Mgebrat282]

It did not destroy the universe because Goku was able, at the last moment, to control his power, which caused the shockwaves to stop. Otherwise, everything would have been destroyed into nothingness. Moreover, those shockwaves actually destroyed extremely distant planets, which means the shockwaves were occurring at a very wide range far from the point of impact. If those punches had continued, everything would have been destroyed into nothingness. This did not happen because Goku managed, at the last moment, to control the trajectory and balance of his punch, allowing him to learn how to properly control his power after becoming a leader.

You didn't understand my point. I was trying to say that if VSBW uses BoG in manga as a proof, then they should use DBZ statements as well because they are better in everything(in manga we only have below human lvl featless shockwave and only one character's opinion statement). Also there is no such thing as controling power or anything that was in anime, only two pages with not even planetary feats and one character's opinion statement.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Kaioshin: The unverse at this rate is gonna be destroyed
Reality: Even without slowing down Goku and Beerus didn't destroy the universe even though they didn't nullified energy of their attacks
Question: Was Kaioshin right?
Answer is obvious

 

[BoastJr]

Why are we using 2016 BoG counterarguments in Big 2026

That shit was refuted 2000 times by now

 

[Mgebrat282]

Why are we using 2016 BoG counterarguments in Big 2026

That shit was refuted 2000 times by now

I'm just showing that accepting BoG uni statement in manga and not accepting other statements of the same degree before is stupid

 

[Mbpoops]

Tbh bog manga is extremely short compared to the anime (yes ik theres a movie)

 

[AwkguyDB]

Bro are we still talking about Shockwaves in 26????

 

[Mgebrat282]

Tbh bog manga is extremely short compared to the anime (yes ik theres a movie)

It doesn't give manga any credit(btw, in a movie there wasn't such a thing)

 

[Mgebrat282]

Bro are we still talking about Shockwaves in 26????

I just want to prove if vsbw uses BoG manga statement as low-multi, then it should use statements from DBZ era about universal destruction because BoG in manga is featless and relies only on one character's opinion that didn't happen.

 

[RoninSlayer200]

brother you are trying to downgrade BoG feat (which is like almost impossible). BoG feat had both feats and statements to back it up which DBZ statements are relying on merely statements.

 

[Mgebrat282]

brother you are trying to downgrade BoG feat (which is like almost impossible). BoG feat had both feats and statements to back it up which DBZ statements are relying on merely statements.

Feats? I'd be glad if you show me feats for anything near universal in BoG manga, because in manga they created a featless shockwave that didn't even damage humans on the planet it was created(this shockwave even got weaker with distance). And there is no such statement about this shockwave getting stronger with distance, no. Creating such a weak shockwave is laughable

 

[StarShooter80]

I just want to prove if vsbw uses BoG manga statement as low-multi, then it should use statements from DBZ era about universal destruction because BoG in manga is featless and relies only on one character's opinion that didn't happen.

Its been a month let it go lol

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Yeah surely Goku and Beerus should have nuked earth and everyone inside it, effectively ending the series there, Mgebrat is so right bro.

(this shockwave even got weaker with distance).

Though I am curious about this. Where the F*** was this stated in manga? Please show me because i quick-checked manga and haven't seen it.

Creating such a weak shockwave is laughable

Show me your glorious king Kid Buu doing same thing

 

[Mgebrat282]

Its been a month let it go lol

I won't cuz it's illogical, BoG manga doesn't has feats and only one statement(character's opinion that turns out to be a lie), but got accepted when Frieza and others with better statements and kinda feats(Genkidama from the entire universe) don't.

 

[CelestialVortex01]

only one statement

 

[RoninSlayer200]

(character's opinion that turns out to be a lie)

Old Kai's statement never got contradictory so why are you saying it's a lie?

but got accepted when Frieza and others with better statements and kinda feats(Genkidama from the entire universe)

. Let's make Demon King Piccolo High 3-A, he has infinite power statement.

 

[StarShooter80]

I won't cuz it's illogical, BoG manga doesn't has feats and only one statement(character's opinion that turns out to be a lie), but got accepted when Frieza and others with better statements and kinda feats(Genkidama from the entire universe) don't.

Ad hominem tu quoque. Also that bog statement is perfectly fine, it refers to a direct physical action the characters are performing, and that if they continue it will lead to the universes destruction, which is why earth wasn't destroyed instantly.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Yeah surely Goku and Beerus should have nuked earth and everyone inside it, effectively ending the series there, Mgebrat is so right bro.

They could use the same tactic as anime used(shockwaves gets stronger with distance) making this logical, but no. And the same logic can be used for DBZ

Though I am curious about this. Where the F*** was this stated in manga? Please show me because i quick-checked manga and haven't seen it.

They didn't get stronger with distance as in anime, then they are getting weaker as shockwaves work

Show me your glorious king Kid Buu doing same thing

Even Vegeta and Zarbon pulled out better feat, they atleast damaged an enviroment with a shockwave

 

[Mgebrat282]

Old Kai's statement never got contradictory so why are you saying it's a lie?

He's saying "at this rate the entire universe is gonna be destroyed", then we see Goku and Beerus fighting at full power until Goku gets excausted. They didn't use anything to make their clash not destructive(as if it even damaged a human, lol) unlike in anime, so Kaioshin straight up lied about the universe being destroyed or he was just wrong. He even made this statement from nothing, those shockwaves didn't even damage an average human on the Earth

. Let's make Demon King Piccolo High 3-A, he has infinite power statement.

Not this high, hyperboles are still hyperboles and it was just his opinion, which turns out wrong