Muzan Kibutsuji vs Ryomen Sukuna [9-24-0]

[MochOath]

got tired of waiting around for someone else to make it

Muzan Kibutsuji

Attack Potency: 2.93 Megatons
Durability: 2.93 Megatons
Lifting Strength: 399.7 Metric Tons


Ryomen Sukuna (Megumi's Body)

Attack Potency: 550 Kilotons physically, up to 20.153 Megatons with the Divine Flame
Durability: 550 Kilotons
Lifting Strength: >852,828.183 Metric Tons
Speed: 15,591 times higher Reaction Speed, 148,654 times higher Attack Speed with World Cutting Slash

Speed is Equalized
Fight Location is The Infinity Castle

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Top Dawg Slayer Yoriichi?: DragonZeroNova
Inconclusive:

 

[MochOath]

yeah yeah yeah
insert higuruma meme

 

[Mommyleona]

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Oh lord not another Retrial (following)

 

[AmonInChains]

Fight between frauds

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

DS Supporters now that they gotta deal with Invul Maho

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

 

[Epiccheev]

Mahoraga adapts to the infinite palace by becoming infinite omnipresent mahoraga

 

[Machmatej]

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Thank God this is meguna, he has the best chance of fighting them, highkey

 

[Machmatej]

so is this like the 4th muzan vs sukuna thread?

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

so is this like the 4th muzan vs sukuna thread?

We desperately needed more, clearly this is very necessary before the verse gets downgraded to tier 9.

 

[Machmatej]

We desperately needed more, clearly this is very necessary before the verse gets downgraded to tier 9.

honestly i dont think a 4th is enough. i wont be satisfied until i get a 5th and a 6th one.

 

[Mommyleona]

honestly i dont think a 4th is enough. i wont be satisfied until i get a 5th and a 6th one.

You might even say... a 6th or 7th one...

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

You might even say... a 6th or 7th one...

double it and give it to the next person

 

[Catbowtie]

Okay so,

Nothing’s changed for the last 3 Muzan vs Sukuna fights.

The same arguments still apply.

This match should be closed since it directly violates Versus Thread Discussion rules

Remaking an existing match listed on a profile should generally be avoided, but a "rematch" may be acceptable under certain conditions.

• Acceptable conditions include:
  • Character information fundamental to the debate has changed due to a CRT.
  • An important piece of information or context was missed entirely or excluded from the debate.
  • A core argument of the previous debate is deemed invalid for some reason.
  • A new argument which is fundamentally different from anything previously stated is brought up.
  • There is a possibility for new conditions for the fight which are significantly different and could make for a valid new conclusion.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Okay so,

Nothing’s changed for the last 3 Muzan vs Sukuna fights.

The same arguments still apply.

This match should be closed since it directly violates Versus Thread Discussion rules

So, Big Raga and all the rest of Sukuna's Shikigami were invulnerable in those too (they weren't)?

 

[Catbowtie]

Yes, Mahoraga and co still had their Invuln in the past matches

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

did Sukuna have 15,591 times higher Reaction Speed, 148,654 times higher Attack Speed with World Cutting Slash in those matchups too?

 

[Robo432343]

last time you assumed muzan is a nobody with 0 cursed energy
the opponent gets regular human levels of CE in jjk matches now

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Yes, Mahoraga and co still had their Invuln in the past matches

I looked back in revision history of Big raga's profile, Shikigami never had invul like they do now and Maho only had Invul after adapting to something, unlike now where he straight up has invul

 

[Catbowtie]

did Sukuna have 15,591 times higher Reaction Speed, 148,654 times higher Attack Speed with World Cutting Slash in those matchups too?

Anonymous Learner, the reaction speed difference and WCS attack speed does not change any argument Sukuna had going for him already. I’m on tablet, so I can’t put it as best as I want to, but increased AS and RS are Red Herrings

 

[Catbowtie]

last time you assumed muzan is a nobody with 0 cursed energy
the opponent gets regular human levels of CE in jjk matches now

Again, does not change that Sukuna had win conditions in Fuga, Soul Damage, Pain Incap, and something else I’m not remembering.

I looked back in revision history of Big raga's profile, Shikigami never had invul like they do now and Maho only had Invul after adapting to something, unlike now where he straight up has invul

What? Dude, everyone there was like “Muzan can’t harm Maho without CE”

 

[AppleMaker]

Out of all places - VSBW is the only one that makes Muzan consistently winning against Sukuna

 

[Machmatej]

did Sukuna have 15,591 times higher Reaction Speed, 148,654 times higher Attack Speed with World Cutting Slash in those matchups too?

that's so bullshit ngl. OP should make speed unequal

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Anonymous Learner, the reaction speed difference and WCS attack speed does not change any argument Sukuna had going for him already. I’m on tablet, so I can’t put it as best as I want to, but increased AS and RS are Red Herrings

Reactions make things easier to Sukuna to pop domain, dodge, and perieve things, and allows him to pull of his high attack speed WCS to attack people

What? Dude, everyone there was like “Muzan can’t harm Maho without CE”

Well, on profiles, they were wrong, it was never a real argument. In fact, it wasn't till that "can Maho solo your verse" thread where it was called out that he doens't have invul and thus the crt was made for it
So, technically, it's a thing that only exist NOW, making it different

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

that's so bullshit ngl. OP should make speed unequal

I agree

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Out of all places - VSBW is the only one that makes Muzan consistently winning against Sukuna

The only place that has people arguing about it properly and assuming relative stats instead of saying Sukuna stomps and solos the verse.


Btw, why is speed equalized, Aren't they both Rel?

 

[Catbowtie]

Y’all, we are going to just argue the same things over and over again.

Sukuna has higher reaction speeds. So what? Sukuna can dodge one of Muzan’s strikes REALLY fast.

Sukuna has higher AS with WCS. So what? WCS was never agreed to kill Muzan in the first place. Before anyone posts that scan of Sukuna with the Dismantle Grid or big *** WCS, that was literally already debated.

Reactions make things easier to Sukuna to pop domain, dodge, and perieve things, and allows him to pull of his high attack speed WCS to attack people

DOMAIN EXPANSION WAS ALREADY ARGUED ABOUT EXTENSIVELY. You’re just saying “Sukuna Domain Expands faster” okay??? Now we just argue about if DE can kill Muzan or not. Which. Was. Already. Debated. Before

You see how this gets nowhere?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

The only place that has people arguing about it properly and assuming relative stats instead of saying Sukuna stomps and solos the verse.


Btw, why is speed equalized, Aren't they both Rel?

Sukuna's only Rela in reactions

 

[Machmatej]

The only place that has people arguing about it properly and assuming relative stats instead of saying Sukuna stomps and solos the verse.

true, this is the only place that actually has people of similar stats fighting instead of wanking one guy and downplaying the other and calling it a match

 

[Catbowtie]

Well, on profiles, they were wrong, it was never a real argument. In fact, it wasn't till that "can Maho solo your verse" thread where it was called out that he doens't have invul and thus the crt was made for it

Do not try to cop out by saying “Well actually it wasn’t on the profiles!” When they were effectively made retroactively true and people were accepting that Muzan couldn’t harm Maho.

What is this argument? People were already under the assumption Muzan couldn’t harm Maho or Shiki. This was brought up in the match. If the profiles didn’t have it at the time, then the profiles were wrong.

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Sukuna's only Rela in reactions

What does that even mean, so like, he can react to attacks by moving at Rel speeds but can't fight at that speed?

...And if so, equalise all speeds?
Having Sukuna be several orders of magnitudes faster than his opponents is just a cheap shot ngl.

 

[Robo432343]

...And if so, equalise all speeds?
Having Sukuna be several orders of magnitudes faster than his opponents is just a cheap shot ngl.

catbowtie thinks muzan wins even with that speed

 

[Catbowtie]

Myriad, the reaction speed does not matter at all. All it foretells is that Sukuna can react to things faster. I do not know why people are stuck on this point.

 

[Machmatej]

catbowtie thinks muzan wins even with that speed

catbowtie is a special little fella so i suggest you take everything he says with a grain of salt, or a whole shaker.

 

[MyriadOfHeartsSpiritualFlowerGarden]

Myriad, the reaction speed does not matter at all. All it foretells is that Sukuna can react to things faster. I do not know why people are stuck on this point.

catbowtie thinks muzan wins even with that speed

Can someone explain what it does?

Does it allow him to dodge, as in move out of the way of attacks that fast or simply acknowledge they exist faster so as to not get perception blitzed?

What does it do, because it matters here.

 

[Catbowtie]

catbowtie is a special little fella so i suggest you take everything he says with a grain of salt, or a whole shaker.

I do not want to hear it from the guy who openly admits he wanks Kokushibo and only agrees with current scaling because he doesn’t want Gyutaro and Kokushibo scaling to the same Ap

 

[Machmatej]

I do not want to hear it from the guy who openly admits he wanks Kokushibo and only agrees with current scaling because he doesn’t want Gyutaro and Kokushibo scaling to the same Ap

i wank kokushibo because i defended him in a vs match? lololol

 

[Catbowtie]

No, you wank Kokushibo because you admitted to it yourself. I’m not even talking about the Mori match but if you want to bring that up, saying Kokushibo is anywhere near Mori in terms of skill and then arguing your own character into being defeated is insane work.