Tatsumaki (OPM) Vs Cyn (MD)

[Kachon123]

I don't think thats whats being said here

Space is being manipulated along different axes. Resisting that does not mean you are immune from being physically moved. You're trying to get several abilities out of one. Unless Cyn has shown being unable to be moved at all, such as being pushed by another person and not by spatial alteration, then this point should be dropped.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Space is being manipulated along different axes. Resisting that does not mean you are immune from being physically moved. You're trying to get several abilities out of one. Unless Cyn has shown being unable to be moved at all, such as being pushed by another person and not by spatial alteration, then this point should be dropped.

But they resist it BECAUSE they passively move different axes, not the other way around. At this point we're kinda strawmaning

 

[MrTayman616]

Not really, if the solver can block that for another user of the solver, there's no reason to think it wouldn't do the same with Tatsumaki.

There are several reasons. It's not a resistance to "Telekinesis" itself, but specifically "to AbsoluteSolver's telekinetic abilities due to also having AbsoluteSolver within her."

This is an extremely specific case, not a resistance in general.

Like saying "This attack doesn't work against one's own family", it doesn't mean resistance in general, but a weakness of the ability.

I don't think thats whats being said here

This isn't a simple showcase of technique but a special ability, It should be added in a CRT.

Also, how are we even suppose to know if he's describing the ability accurately? Does this even says using the environment to attack works but telekinesis won't?

Why? Is environment able to bypass spatial manipulation? Why would telekinesis not work while using environment would?

 

[Kachon123]

But they resist it BECAUSE they passively move different axes

Cyn is resisting the displacement of the space she occupies along a given axis by moving that same space in the opposite direction along that axis, is she not? This does not explain how this stops her from being affected by telekinesis.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

This isn't a simple showcase of technique but a special ability, It should be added in a CRT.

1. They kinda tried too ig with the resistance to telekinesis thing? I get what ur saying tho and they probably could index it better

2. Shouldn't tatsu having cellular dura neg also be added in a CRT?

Also, how are we even suppose to know if he's describing the ability accurately? This basically says using the environment to attack works but telekinesis won't?

Why? Is environment able to bypass spatial manipulation?

Now I don't know that much about murder drones so stuff like validity I can't comment on but if the environment in this case is space then I don't see why TK would work in the first place

Why would telekinesis not work while using environment would?

Cyn is resisting the displacement of the space she occupies along a given axis by moving that same space in the opposite direction along that axis, is she not? This does not explain how this stops her from being affected by telekinesis.

The telekinesis exists within space...moving that space will move the telekinesis by proxy

 

[MrTayman616]

2. Shouldn't tatsu having cellular dura neg also be added in a CRT?

To be called dura neg? Yes. But to claim Tatsumaki can cause destruction on cellular level? no. As it is also mentioned in her profile.

Once she was able to focus on the fight, she dissipated one of Psykos' beams and effortlessly overpowered her, twisting all of Z-City in the process and obliterating her on the cellular level.

Now I don't know that much about murder drones so stuff like validity I can't comment on but if the environment in this case in space then I don't see why TK would work in the first place

But you believe using the environment would work? Like, Telekinesis won't because it's in space but using environment works because...?

With that type of argument, you'd have to prove it works like that. Unless you'll tell me environment doesn't exist in space.

The telekinesis exists within space...moving that space will move the telekinesis by proxy

Environment also exists in space. Is it even shown to be used like that?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

To be called dura neg? Yes. But to claim Tatsumaki can cause destruction on cellular level? no. As it is also mentioned in her profile.

Why is this in her attack potency section and not her PnA?

But you believe using the environment would work? Like, Telekinesis won't because it's in space but using environment works because...?

Because the environment in this case IS space...

With that type of argument, you'd have to prove it works like that. Unless you'll tell me environment doesn't exist in space.

The enviroment is space in this scenerio not in space (looking back I just realized I made a typo accidently putting "is" as "in" so thats probably my fault ig)

Environment also exists in space. Is it even shown to be used like that

Thats why peeps with the absolute solver are apperently accepted to resist solver stuff so yea

 

[RealDuker98]

Can you show scans? Tatsumaki can destroy Cyn down to the cellular level with a simple stare, which seems like a quicker, more surefire wincon.

• Durability Negation and Explosion Manipulation (Scaling off of Doll, who can cause Drones to explode from the inside)

 

[Soul80]

There are several reasons. It's not a resistance to "Telekinesis" itself, but specifically "to AbsoluteSolver's telekinetic abilities due to also having AbsoluteSolver within her."

Not really.

 

[Soul80]

Like saying "This attack doesn't work against one's own family", it doesn't mean resistance in general, but a weakness of the ability.

it was already shown that N wasn't immunity to telekinesis of Uzi while being a minor solver host. (dissembly drones are weaker version of original host's like Cyn and Uzi, yet it still condradication in the fact that Uzi should effect him)
Most of because It was aslo shown that the solver cannot interact with N for long since Uzi already owned him

 

[Kirua29]

Soul_Nitro_Deluxe He asked me to add this to his previous message: ​

Because he has a connection problem, he can't add it himself.

 

[Soul80]

Soul_Nitro_Deluxe He asked me to add this to his previous message: ​

Because he has a connection problem, he can't add it himself.

Thanks.

 

[Niko]

it was already shown that N wasn't immunity to telekinesis of Uzi while being a minor solver host. (dissembly drones are weaker version of original host's like Cyn and Uzi, yet it still condradication in the fact that Uzi should effect him)
Most of because It was aslo shown that the solver cannot interact with N for long since Uzi already owned him

I want to point out disassembly drones are immune to solver telekinesis, he was only pushed away because Uzi was manipulating the key instead, not him.

 

[Soul80]

I want to point out disassembly drones are immune to solver telekinesis, he was only pushed away because Uzi was manipulating the key instead, not him.

They have immunity of the solver abilities with administration of some admin, since it should block access to them
It also doesn't make sense to say that it's manipulated only the key and not N himself; the solver symbol literally appears on his chest.

 

[Niko]

They have immunity of the solver abilities with administration of some admin, since it should block access to them
It also doesn't make sense to say that it's manipulated only the key and not N himself; the solver symbol literally appears on his chest.

The key is on his chest.

 

[Soul80]

The key is on his chest.

it was on his forearm , no?

 

[Soul80]

Well nvm, I actually watched that scene, and yeah, you're right about that.
However, that doesn't refute argument that solver administrators doesn't block access to each other for immunity each ability.

 

[Soul80]

Anyway, I don't know why people didn't mention it but.
Does Tatsu even have arguments for bypassing Cyn regen or immortality ?

 

[JadeGemstoneGoji]

vote Cyn

 

[MrTayman616]

Anyway, I don't know why people didn't mention it but.
Does Tatsu even have arguments for bypassing Cyn regen or immortality ?

She can handle Immortality 2,3 and 6.

But "possibly Immortality 7 and 8", no. (Not sure if they are included in this fight since they are only possibly)

Cyn's regen doesn't help much since it's only Mid level, Tatsumaki still one shots.

 

[Kirua29]

She can handle Immortality 2,3 and 6.

But "possibly Immortality 7 and 8", no. (Not sure if they are included in this fight since they are only possibly)

Cyn's regen doesn't help much since it's only Mid level, Tatsumaki still one shots.

Just how tatsumaki can bypass an immortal?

The only real way to kill Cyn is to assimilate her by devouring her black hole, because as shown in the series, she can survive without her core without any problem. So how do you expect Tatsumaki to one-shot her? Even if Tatsumaki managed to destroy Cyn, she would regenerate. And you're jumping to conclusions about Tatsumaki one-shotting her without considering that Cyn could very well attack first. Tatsumaki has no defense against vector manipulation, time manipulation, or Null.

The thing is, Tatsumaki has nothing except her telekinesis, while Cyn has the same thing, but better, plus a whole host of other powers, immortality and regen

 

[MrTayman616]

Just how tatsumaki can bypass an immortal?

The only real way to kill Cyn is to assimilate her by devouring her black hole, because as shown in the series, she can survive without her core without any problem. So how do you expect Tatsumaki to one-shot her? Even if Tatsumaki managed to destroy Cyn, she would regenerate. And you're jumping to conclusions about Tatsumaki one-shotting her without considering that Cyn could very well attack first. Tatsumaki has no defense against vector manipulation, time manipulation, or singularity.

The thing is, Tatsumaki has nothing except her telekinesis, while Cyn has the same thing, but better, plus a whole host of other powers, immortality and regen

You should check the meanings of those immortality types. They don't work as "Immortality = you cannot die"

For things like singularity etc, basically meaningless as the entire point of this fight is about who hits first. Tatsumaki one shots her, same as how Cyn one shots her.

 

[Kirua29]

You should check the meanings of those immortality types. They don't work as "Immortality = you cannot die"

For things like singularity etc, basically meaningless as the entire point of this fight is about who hits first. Tatsumaki one shots her, same as how Cyn one shots her.

You didn't really answer my question. How can Tatsu kill Cyn? If Cyn showed she wouldn't die even without her core, which is supposedly necessary for survival, she could continue moving without it. Or consider J, who, after being 90% destroyed, still began to regenerate and entered Eldritch mode.

So, if Tatsu one-shots Cyn, then Cyn will just enter Eldritch mode like J did in episode 2 and continue fighting. And even if, by some miracle, Tatsu one-shots Cyn a second time, she'll come back a third time, because at the end of episode 8, during the credits, we can see that J's Solver reappeared where she was supposed to have died.

So as long as the black hole exists, Cyn will not die, so how does Tatsu remedy this problem?

 

[MrTayman616]

You didn't really answer my question. How can Tatsu kill Cyn? If Cyn showed she wouldn't die even without her core, which is supposedly necessary for survival, she could continue moving without it. Or consider J, who, after being 90% destroyed, still began to regenerate and entered Eldritch mode.

Cyn can still be alive after her head was cut off. Cyn is able to regenerate parts of her body and possibly even revive herself. Nori, under the control of Cyn, thanked Mitchell for a new host, Cyn is a zombie drone)

This is her current Immortality page. I don't see anything you're claiming here, so they don't really bother me :d (since i don't even have an idea about what those are)
Also this

(She is able to live as long as the Absolute Solver's true form is not absorbed into another user)

But it's only accepted as possibly, so i'm not sure if it can be used here.

So, if Tatsu one-shots Cyn, then Cyn will just enter Eldritch mode like J did in episode 2 and continue fighting. And even if, by some miracle, Tatsu one-shots Cyn a second time, she'll come back a third time, because at the end of episode 8, during the credits, we can see that J's Solver reappeared where she was supposed to have died.

The reasoning behind that is?

So as long as the black hole exists, Cyn will not die, so how does Tatsu remedy this problem?

I don't think it's accepted here like that. (You should make a CRT for adding abilities like that to the profiles)

 

[Thermor]

This is her current Immortality page. I don't see anything you're claiming here, so they don't really bother me :d (since i don't even have an idea about what those are)
Also this

But it's only accepted as possibly, so i'm not sure if it can be used here.

The reasoning behind that is?

I don't think it's accepted here like that. (You should make a CRT for adding abilities like that to the profiles)

For abilities with possibly rating, they can be used in matches unless the OP restricted it.

 

[Kirua29]

For abilities with possibly rating, they can be used in matches unless the OP restricted it.

So you've just closed the debate, thank you.

 

[Kirua29]

Hello everyone, I’ve come to deliver the final blow to this debate. On top of the fact that we already have confirmation that “possibly” ratings can be used, which already condemns Tatsumaki. But more than that, Cyn will be upgraded to 5-B durability in less than 40 hours, and that’s confirmed. https://vsbattles.com/threads/murder-drones-null-the-downplay.188550/#post-7577775


So now, does anyone still have even a single objection to claim that Tatsumaki could defeat Cyn? Cause tatsumaki can't bypass a 5-B durability...

 

[Thunderman101]

Hello everyone, I’ve come to deliver the final blow to this debate. On top of the fact that we already have confirmation that “possibly” ratings can be used, which already condemns Tatsumaki, Cyn will be upgraded to 5-B durability in less than 90 hours, and that’s confirmed. https://vsbattles.com/threads/murder-drones-null-the-downplay.188550/#post-7577775


So now, does anyone still have even a single objection to claim that Tatsumaki could defeat Cyn?

Feels the aura