Rick and Morty Cosmology Downgrade

[FinePoint]

This cosmology blog is currently used for Rick and Morty to scale the verse up to 7D.

In my opinion, a lot of this is severely exaggerated, and I have many issues with the evidence used here. I'll just go in order.

6D Universe

Universes can inhabit and contain beings like the Shleemypants, who is from a race of Time cops that are fourth dimensional [4-D] or fifth dimensional aliens[5-D]. It also contains a crystal that extends infinitely into spatial dimensions that Morty cannot see [6-D, likely higher].

The 4D example of Shleemypants is contradicted by him being physically beat up by Rick, a 3D character. This is even mentioned on the profile, and why his tier is unknown.
The 5D example is 'fifth dimensional stomach juices' from an alien which they physically fight, though at least this time it's using technology from Rick.
The 6D example is stated to 'extend into spatial dimensions they can't see'.

These statements of being higher-dimensional mostly come from Rick, who is a trustworthy source in the verse, but at the same time 'dimensions' could be referring to a lot of different things here and that they mean it the way we do is extremely dubious based on the practical evidence. The exception is the pyramid which Rick specifies spatial for, but:

Even if these random things were higher-dimensional, that in itself is not proof the entire universe is too. These could just be the 3D presences of larger objects separate from the universe, or projected into it.

Infinite 7D Central Finite Curve

The Central Finite Curve is a protective barrier built around the entire multiverse, the Citadel of Ricks built it to keep out smarter and powerful foes from other parts of the infinite multiverse[4].

Central Finite Curve contains heavens and hell depending on what the victim believes, which are explained to be paradimensional planes of existence.

"Para" meaning "further and beyond", "Dimensional" meaning "measurable extents of some kind, such as length, width, height". Which means these planes of existence would be beyond the dimensionality of Rick and Morty. [7-D, likely higher]

Beyond could also mean separate, and without any evidence of higher geometric dimensions, this is just another universe, one that's a projection in a layer of infinite energy, according to Rick, which could mean a lot of things, and not all of them are higher spatial or temporal dimensions.

The 7D Multiverse

Beyond the Central Finite Curve lies the Multiverse, shown by the chaotic lifestyle of Evil Morty which is due to its infinite nature. Its a a realm inhabited by entities far more powerful and intelligent than those confined within the curve.

All that said, the blog actually doesn't give enough credit to the central finite curve and what its implications are. It never needed the afterlife episode to elevate it into Tier 1.

To cut a finite slice out of something and have that slice still contain infinity implies an uncountably infinite multiverse. An uncountably infinite multiverse is a structure with uncountably infinite 4D structures. A structure with uncountably infinite 4D structures is a 5D structure.

(This is all a reference to geometry, in that a finite curve from a circle still contains infinite points because the circle contains uncountably infinite points.)

Proposal:

Individual 'universes' should be downgraded to 2-C for containing their own spacetime plus additional afterlife universes.
The Central Finite Curve, as well as the Multiverse, should both be Low 1-C for containing uncountably infinite universes.

Rick would be Low 1-C in AP for creating/manipulating the Central Finite Curve, and thus making those who scale to him also Low 1-C AP (Citadel, Evil Morty, etc.).

(Edit: People are increasingly convincing me that some of these objects may actually be higher-dimensional, but I still don't think we can reasonable assume the entire universe is as well.)

 

[FinePoint]

@Antvasima Could you ping the Tier 1 people, please? I don't have a ready list.

 

[FinePoint]

And of course, the supporters/knowledgeable members are encouraged to comment:

@ShionAH @CinnabarManx421 @DemiiPowa @Udlmaster @Ultima_Reality @WeeklyBattles @MarvelFanatic119 @Arrogant_Schmuck @Edwellken @CinnabarManx421 @MrKerf @TugiaTheNarrator

 

[DemiiPowa]

And of course, the supporters/knowledgeable members are encouraged to comment:

@ShionAH @CinnabarManx421 @DemiiPowa @Udlmaster @Ultima_Reality @WeeklyBattles @MarvelFanatic119 @Arrogant_Schmuck @Edwellken @CinnabarManx421 @MrKerf @TugiaTheNarrator

Ngl I haven’t interacted with R&M in like 3 years, so I doubt I’d remember anything about the cosmology with any accuracy

 

[ByArrow]

The 4D example of Shleemypants is contradicted by him being physically beat up by Rick, a 3D character. This is even mentioned on the profile, and why his tier is unknown.

Having an extra dimension doesn't make you immune to lower dimensions.

Rick could interact with him because he has three dimensions Rick can interact with; he was beaten because he wasn't strong enough.

The 5D example is 'fifth dimensional stomach juices' from an alien they're once again physically interacting with normally.

Again, being 5D does not prevent attacks on its other three dimensions.

The 6D example is stated to have more dimensions but once again functions like a normal 3D object which Rick throws away.

How it works or Rick throwing it doesn't invalidate Rick's statement about infinite dimensions.

The evidence for the universe containing six dimensions therefore is based entirely on mere statements that are all directly contradicted if we were to assume they mean spatial dimensions in the way we think of them here.

Also, as I mentioned above, the things you listed are not really a contradiction..

 

[FinePoint]

Ngl I haven’t interacted with R&M in like 3 years, so I doubt I’d remember anything about the cosmology with any accuracy

Well, the evidence is all linked here/in the blog, but I understand.

 

[Mythic381]

I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, but:

The 4D example of Shleemypants is contradicted by him being physically beat up by Rick, a 3D character. This is even mentioned on the profile, and why his tier is unknown.

The 5D example is 'fifth dimensional stomach juices' from an alien they're once again physically interacting with normally.

I thought the idea was just that since higher-dimensional lifeforms exist in the universe, it would mean the universe itself is higher-dimensional. As something being higher-dimensional doesn't mean they scale to that. Someone like Peter Griffin became 6-dimensional and wasn't scaled at 1-C.

The 6D example is stated to have more dimensions but once again functions like a normal 3D object which Rick throws away.

How exactly does it function like a normal 3D object? How would you quantify an object acting like one anyways?

• Higher-Dimensional Existence & Transformation with Pancresta Diabetic Drugs: (6-D; Peter becomes a 6th dimensional entity)

Beyond could also mean separate, and without any evidence of higher geometric dimensions, this is just another universe, one that's a projection in a layer of infinite energy, according to Rick, which could mean a lot of things, and not all of them are higher spatial or temporal dimensions.

This is the only thing I kind of think is arguable, as for example, in the FAQ it says:

For instance, it's very common for Heaven and Hell to be defined as higher and lower planes of existence respectively in relation to the normal universe, in which case, "higher" and "lower" tends to simply indicate their relative position in a cosmology, as opposed to any kind of existential status, which is obviously not enough for anything remotely Tier 1.

 

[FinePoint]

Having an extra dimension doesn't make you immune to lower dimensions.

Rick could interact with him because he has three dimensions Rick can interact with; he was beaten because he wasn't strong enough.

Again, being 5D does not prevent attacks on its other three dimensions.

Generally, it does, which is why HDE has Pseudo-Invulnerability listed as an application, though I'll admit not always. However, that page also contains numerous bits about not accepting vague statements like this when otherwise contradicted, and that we need to consider context carefully. Here are a few:

"Stating that something is Extra-Dimensional simply means it comes from outside of the regular 3-dimensional space. It does not necessarily mean that it has an extradimensional axis in contrast to 3-dimensional objects, without further context."

"Stating that something transcends space or space and time does not necessarily imply that it has an extradimensional axis or that it pertains to the geometry of the object."

"Additionally, usages of “Higher Dimension” should be treated with scrutiny, as “Dimension” is often times used to refer to places, and not directions in space, and as such the term can easily be used in the same sense as "Higher Realm/Plane" and similar verbiage. Context should be used to determine whether it truly refers to increased dimensionality."

How it works or Rick throwing it doesn't invalidate Rick's statement about infinite dimensions.

And to continue from that, we don't exactly know what Rick means by that. 'Dimensions' could mean a lot of things, and not all of them are the sort of geometric spatial dimensions we think of here. When there's doubt, we look at feats and context, and those feats and context regularly show all of these higher-dimensional things being treated like normal 3D objects.

 

[FinePoint]

I'm not knowledgeable on the verse, but:
I thought the idea was just that since higher-dimensional lifeforms exist in the universe, it would mean the universe itself is higher-dimensional. As something being higher-dimensional doesn't mean they scale to that. Someone like Peter Griffin became 6-dimensional and wasn't scaled at 1-C.

I'm not entirely sure what our policy is on that, but I'm calling into question if these characters are even really higher-dimensional by our standards to begin with.

How exactly does it function like a normal 3D object? How would you quantify an object acting like one anyways?

He's moving it with his hands, it seems to follow normal physics, and outside of the statement is clearly just a small pyramid.

Theoretically, it could be a single slice of a larger 4D object, which is hinted at, but not actually confirmed, since his statement could mean a lot of things scientifically. It's important to remember that semantically 'dimension' refers to many different things in different fields and contexts.

This is the only thing I kind of think is arguable, as for example, in the FAQ it says:

Yeah, that's sort of what I mean. We have evidence they're separate from the normal universe, but not evidence they're actually 'above' it ontologically.

 

[ByArrow]

Generally, it does, which is why HDE has Pseudo-Invulnerability listed as an application, though I'll admit not always. However, that page also contains numerous bits about not accepting vague statements like this when otherwise contradicted, and that we need to consider context carefully. Here are a few:

"Stating that something is Extra-Dimensional simply means it comes from outside of the regular 3-dimensional space. It does not necessarily mean that it has an extradimensional axis in contrast to 3-dimensional objects, without further context."

"Stating that something transcends space or space and time does not necessarily imply that it has an extradimensional axis or that it pertains to the geometry of the object."

"Additionally, usages of “Higher Dimension” should be treated with scrutiny, as “Dimension” is often times used to refer to places, and not directions in space, and as such the term can easily be used in the same sense as "Higher Realm/Plane" and similar verbiage. Context should be used to determine whether it truly refers to increased dimensionality."

If you read the explanation of Pseudo-Invulnerability on the HDE page, it says that lower dimensions can affect the lower dimensions of higher dimensions. That's what I'm saying.

And if you say that being described as 5-dimensional and 4-dimensional is not sufficient for them to be HDE, then write that in the OP, because what is currently written in the OP does not contradict HDE.

And to continue from that, we don't exactly know what Rick means by that. 'Dimensions' could mean a lot of things, and not all of them are the sort of geometric spatial dimensions we think of here. When there's doubt, we look at feats and context, and those feats and context regularly show all of these higher-dimensional things being treated like normal 3D objects.

Then update the OP accordingly, because as it stands now, it seems to argue that Rick's statement should not be used because the object in question behaves like a 3D object, whereas you are only saying that Rick's statement is ambiguous for Higher Dimensions

 

[FinePoint]

Then update the OP accordingly, because as it stands now, it seems to argue that Rick's statement should not be used because the object in question behaves like a 3D object, whereas you are only saying that Rick's statement is ambiguous for Higher Dimensions

Alright, I edited it to make that more clear.

I'm not trying to say Rick isn't a reliable source when it comes to science in the verse, more that we may be misinterpreting him and/or making assumptions.

 

[Mythic381]

I'm not entirely sure what our policy is on that, but I'm calling into question if these characters are even really higher-dimensional by our standards to begin with.

I'm also not, by I'm just on the idea that if they are natives then you can argue the universe holds that amount of dimensions. But like I said, I'm not knowledgeable, so I'm not really sure if they even are natives to begin with.

He's moving it with his hands, it seems to follow normal physics, and outside of the statement is clearly just a small pyramid.

Not trying to be rude, but is moving it with his hands really something that contradicts higher-dimensionality?

Theoretically, it could be a single slice of a larger 4D object, which is hinted at, but not actually confirmed, since his statement could mean a lot of things scientifically. It's important to remember that semantically 'dimension' refers to many different things in different fields and contexts.

I'm more neutral on his argument to be honest. It does kind of make sense for it to be referring to spatial dimensions, as what exactly would "extend" mean in this context?

Yeah, that's sort of what I mean. We have evidence they're separate from the normal universe, but not evidence they're actually 'above' it ontologically.

I agree with this to be honest. I found it weird after reading the FAQ.

To cut a finite slice out of something and have that slice still contain infinity implies an uncountably infinite multiverse. An uncountably infinite multiverse is a structure with uncountably infinite 4D structures. A structure with uncountably infinite 4D structures is a 5D structure.

To this, I'm not really sure if that's the case? As Qawsed mentioned in the CRT prior to this one:

While the FAQ is about 2-A, all higher-dimensional ratings use the same philosophy behind them. Rick cutting off an infinite number of timelines does not mean that there's an uncountable infinite number of timelines in total or that the multiverse is higher dimensional.

From what I got, it would just be a layer into the accepted dimension.

 

[Udlmaster]

I'm fine with 5-D. I don't think the Crystal itself is necessarily 6-D, since Rick says "Dimensions" (meaning at least 2) Morty can't see, I think "At least 5-D" is fair.

I don't really see anything with the "paradimensional" example, since the "paradimension" isn't a higher spatial dimension, it's just an alternate dimension/afterlife realm.

The "para" in it likely just means "paranormal" as in "ghost". And given what we see from the Realm (with it literally just being a 3-D space) even if we do interpret "Para" meaning "beyond", it likely just means "beyond death" and not "beyond dimensions".

Hard to say if Dimensions scale below the Multiverse, since it's never explained how they intersect, whether Dimensions are local to a Universe or encompass all Universes.

Over all I think Low 1-C (At least 5-D) is fine, but not much more than that.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I think being able to hold the crystal normally is fine because it's more likely they're just holding the 3-D slice of a higher dimensional thing. It being 5-D is fine tho like udl said.

 

[Mythic381]

I'm more neutral on his argument to be honest. It does kind of make sense for it to be referring to spatial dimensions, as what exactly would "extend" mean in this context?

Also want to mention he's talking about perception, which seems more tied to spatial dimensions, no?

 

[Udlmaster]

I think being able to hold the crystal normally is fine because it's more likely they're just holding the 3-D slice of a higher dimensional thing. It being 5-D is fine tho like udl said.

Well the next panels say how the crystal Rick's holding isn't the actual one and it's a fake, so it resolves the issues about Rick holding it.

 

[ByArrow]

I'm fine with 5-D. I don't think the Crystal itself is necessarily 6-D, since Rick says "Dimensions" (meaning at least 2) Morty can't see, I think "At least 5-D" is fair

Actually, it's not 5D, it's 6D. The normal universe is 3+1D (4D). Rick said "spatial dimensions," meaning at least two spatial dimensions, which makes the universe 5+1D (6D).

I'm more neutral on his argument to be honest. It does kind of make sense for it to be referring to spatial dimensions, as what exactly would "extend" mean in this context

Also want to mention he's talking about perception, which seems more tied to spatial dimensions, no?

And why is there still debate over whether Rick was referring to spatial dimensions or not, when his statement clearly mentions "spatial dimension"?

OP says the statement is ambiguous to claim that Rick was referring to higher dimensions here.

 

[FinePoint]

And why is there still debate over whether Rick was referring to spatial dimensions or not, when his statement clearly mentions "spatial dimension"?

OP says the statement is ambiguous to claim that Rick was referring to higher dimensions here.

Well, we also have to consider the possibility the writers themselves don't know what they're talking about.

It wouldn't be the first time fiction made an absurd claim then failed to back it up in any meaningful way.

 

[Udlmaster]

Actually, it's not 5D, it's 6D. The normal universe is 3+1D (4D). Rick said "spatial dimensions," meaning at least two spatial dimensions, which makes the universe 5+1D (6D).

Morty can't see the 4th dimension, so the statement about what Morty can't see would be in this case 5-D, not 6.

 

[ByArrow]

Morty can't see the 4th dimension, so the statement about what Morty can't see would be in this case 5-D, not 6.

4th dimension is time and time isn’t a spatial dimension, it is a temporal dimension.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Well, we also have to consider the possibility the writers themselves don't know what they're talking about.

It wouldn't be the first time fiction made an absurd claim then failed to back it up in any meaningful way.

That possibility is the least likely so it's better not to consider it without damning evidence tbh

 

[Udlmaster]

4th dimension is time and time isn’t a spatial dimension, it is a temporal dimension.

We see with the Time Cops its also treated as a Spatial Dimension they can walk through, exist in and build stuff in (such as the 4th Dimensional Time Cop HQ)

This is also being very generous that we ignore the fact a 4-D being got beat by a 3-D being and that a 5-D alien was killed by Summer with a blade.

 

[Mythic381]

Well the next panels say how the crystal Rick's holding isn't the actual one and it's a fake, so it resolves the issues about Rick holding it.

To be fair, if Rick apparently saw it before, yet he wasn't exactly confused about him being able to hold it.

 

[FinePoint]

That possibility is the least likely so it's better not to consider it without damning evidence tbh

Just throwing it out there. Sometimes we can ignore statements if feats don't support them.

That said, even if this one object is 6D and part of it is here, it doesn't actually prove the universe is too.

There's a lot of avenues to explore here, but to me "This proves the universe is 6D or 7D" is also extremely unlikely.

 

[Udlmaster]

To be fair, if Rick apparently saw it before, yet he wasn't exactly confused about him being able to hold it.

True. That is a mark against it.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

We see with the Time Cops its also treated as a Spatial Dimension they can walk through, exist in and build stuff in (such as Dimensional Time Cop HQ)

This is also being very generous that we ignore the fact a 4-D being got beat by a 3-D being and that a 5-D alien was killed by Summer with a blade.

at this point we just tier the actual dimensional spaces instead of the higher-dimensional beings scaling anywhere since higher-D beings dont need to be significant themselves

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Just throwing it out there. Sometimes we can ignore statements if feats don't support them.

That said, even if this one object is 6D and part of it is here, it doesn't actually prove the universe is too.

There's a lot of avenues to explore here, but to me "This proves the universe is 6D or 7D" is also extremely unlikely.

It can extend in some multiversal space or whatever too. Doesn't need to mean universe is higher-D instead of just highest part of cosmology ye I agree it isn't limited to universe

 

[FinePoint]

It can extend in some multiversal space or whatever too. Doesn't need to mean universe is higher-D instead of just highest part of cosmology ye

Alright, so we can at least find common ground there.

Whether or not these random things are higher-dimensional, the blog makes the unreasonable assumption that this must mean the entire universe is also higher-dimensional.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

So, one question. Even if the objects were truly 5-D/6-D, wouldn't they still have a significant size?

Like, let's say an object is truly 5-D/6-D in dimensional axes. I think that would make the universe where those objects are located have 5/6-D axes, but here on the wiki we deal with insignificant higher dimensions all the time.

So I think even if everything were valid, we still wouldn't need to know if the extra dimensions the universe has are significant enough in size for us to consider them? (except for that rock, since it was said to extend infinitely in spatial dimensions, meaning I think it would be of a quantifiable size).

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

So, one question. Even if the objects were truly 5-D/6-D, wouldn't they still have a significant size?

Like, let's say an object is truly 5-D/6-D in dimensional axes. I think that would make the universe where those objects are located have 5/6-D axes, but here on the wiki we deal with insignificant higher dimensions all the time.

So I think even if everything were valid, we still wouldn't need to know if the extra dimensions the universe has are significant enough in size for us to consider them? (except for that rock, since it was said to extend infinitely in spatial dimensions, meaning I think it would be of a quantifiable size).

Compact dimensions also are truly 5-D/6-D and have different directions of space. You can apply that logic (where they occupy an insignificant portion) to a physical being who simply lives within a space instead of being the space themselves. Rock is fine but I don't think some random higher-D being will cut it.

 

[MrKerf]

Ngl I haven’t interacted with R&M in like 3 years, so I doubt I’d remember anything about the cosmology with any accuracy

Same here.

 

[MrKerf]

Though upon some inspection, it looks fine? I think.

 

[ShionAH]

Before I take a look, did OP change their opinion to only attacking the 7D?

6D Universes comes from the crystal clearly stating that there are Infinitely expanding spatial dimensions Morty cannot see, we also see later on that the universes contain all of these in their own little bubbles while the rest of the multiverse and the universes outside and their own things. Additionally we already see the 5th dimensional aliens exist inside the universes implying that dimension is possible to see in every universe. The one Rick is holding not even the real one so the whole "he holds it" is completely null

Attacking and killing 5D or 4D beings is irrelevant as being higher dimensional doesn’t always mean you are strong. This was already argued in the thread I made and rejected.

I am fine with 7D removal, that makes sense BUT I wanna note this down in case that changes this. You can see in the background Rick seems to have images of the space-time which could indicate that by Paradimension he actually means that way. It should at least warrant a possibly rating (?)

This does make me question, if we do accept the universes as 6-D would that make Central Finite Curve 7-D according to your uncountable argument?

 

[Qawsedf234]

The 4D example of Shleemypants is contradicted by him being physically beat up by Rick, a 3D character. This is even mentioned on the profile, and why his tier is unknown.

Being 4D but not infinite in power is not an anti-feat. The FAQ covers it:

Q: Are higher-dimensional beings infinitely stronger than lower-dimensional equivalents?

A: Unintuitive as that may be: Not necessarily, as a number of characteristics through which we quantify the strength or power of a character can remain unchanged when transitioning between higher and lower dimensions. For example: Mass is a quantity that is detached from the dimension of the object which it is inherent to, and unlike volume is not divided in units corresponding to each particular dimension (1-volume [length], 2-volume [area], 3-volume, 4-volume...). It is singular in nature and its units equally apply to all dimensions; whether it is distributed over an area or a volume only tells us about the span of space in which it is spread, not about the quantity itself.As a consequence of that, much of the calculation methods which are used to measure strength apply equally to both higher and lower dimensions, as they do not care about the extra variables and often work with a single one of them. Examples of this are kinetic energy.An intuitive example of that is found in the general definition of Work as defined in physics: In essence, as work itself denotes the energy applied to an object as it is displaced along a given path, the basic formula for calculating it only takes into account a single variable, and the path itself is treated as an one-dimensional object, regardless of the dimension of the space in which the action itself takes place.Hence, a higher-dimensional entity can be both stronger or weaker than a lower-dimensional one, and thus, they are usually quantified based on their own feats, instead of dimensionality alone. If a character is merely stated to be higher-dimensional and simultaneously has no other feats to derive anything noteworthy from, then they are put at Unknown, and the same applies to lower dimensions as well.Do note, however, that them not qualifying for Tier 2 and above doesn't mean they are "fake" higher-dimensional beings or anything of the sort. It is simply that being higher-dimensional does not inherently mean they have infinite power in the first place, as explained above.

The 6D example is stated to have more dimensions but once again functions like a normal 3D object which Rick throws away.

As Rick states in the comic, the rock is fake and not what he was looking for. So him easily moving it can be chalked as evidence of the rock just not being real. He also uses spatial dimension explicitly in this scene, meaning they're talking about axis of movement.

To cut a finite slice out of something and have that slice still contain infinity implies an uncountably infinite multiverse

It does not. The FAQ covers it in the 2-A section.

Q: Is destroying multiple infinite multiverses a better feat than destroying a single one?​

A: In spite of what our intuitions may tell us, destroying or fully affecting multiple infinite-sized multiverses is in fact not better than doing the same to a single infinite multiverse, and thus, not above the "baseline" for 2-A.

The reason is that the total amount of universes contained in a collection of multiple infinitely-sized multiverses (even one consisting of infinitely many of them) is in fact equal to the amount of universes contained in a single one of the multiverses that form this ensemble: It is countably infinite, as the union of countably-many countable sets is itself countable, and thus does not differ in size from its components.

So this is not an uncountable infinity of universes.

The most I see is that Time is Rick and Morty is treated as a spatial dimension. So the multiverse would be downgraded to 6D because there's no +1D figure.

 

[ShionAH]

The most I see is that Time is Rick and Morty is treated as a spatial dimension. So the multiverse would be downgraded to 6D because there's no +1D figure.

Qawsed, would the Paradimensional statement and the Space-Time images about Heaven help a “possibly” +1D?

If not I want to ask when talking about “dimensions” wouldn’t it be more fair to assume it is 2, possibly 3? Rather than just 2.

Thanks for your help

 

[Qawsedf234]

Qawsed, would the Paradimensional statement and the Space-Time images about Heaven help a “possibly” +1D

I'm with Udl here. I don't see paradimension as giving anything

If not I want to ask when talking about “dimensions” wouldn’t it be more fair to assume it is 2, possibly 3? Rather than just 2.

Why would we assume 3?

 

[ShionAH]

I'm with Udl here. I don't see paradimension as giving anything

Mann seriously

Why would we assume 3?

Its “s” so more than one but most of time and looking at the context it feels like another mind destruction Rick is giving Morty by revealing there are many dimensions he cannot perceive it feels weird to assume the dimensions is just two

 

[Antvasima]

I think that Qawsedf234, FinePoint, and Udlmaster seem to make sense here.

 

[Antvasima]

@Antvasima Could you ping the Tier 1 people, please? I don't have a ready list.

This isn't an extremely high-tier revision, so I don't think that it seems necessary to bother them more than I already do.