The Most Powerful Verse-specific Powers & Abilities "2.0"

[Zarovut]

Totally an official continuation for this thread

(It's not, but that thread has been inactive and so is the OOP, so oh well. Also, a lot of things has changed, so might as well redo the list.)

Anyways, here's the Top 15:

Spoiler: Powers & Abilities

1. Forces (Yin Tian Shen Yin)

2. Ridewatch (Kamen Rider)

3. Time Power (Dragon Ball)

4. Magic & Skills (TenSura)

5. Sword Logic (Destiny)

6. Force Manipulation (Star Wars Canon)

7.

8.

9.

10.

11.

12.

13.

14.

15.

Spoiler: Physiologies

1. Paths (Yin Tian Shen Yin)

2. Cultivation Realms (Dragon Talisman)

3. God Physiology (Trinity Seven)

4. Beyonder Physiology (LoTM)

5. Divine Spirit Physiology (Nasuverse)

6. Digital Lifeforms (TenSura)

7. Demon Physiology (Devil May Cry)

8. Ghost Physiology (Danny Phantom)

9. Ultra Physiology (Ultra Series)

10. Kamen Rider Physiology (Kamen Rider)

11. Horror Physiology (GARO)

12.

13.

14.

15.

Every verse can only have ONE spot, each for "Powers & Abilities" and "Physiologies".

Post your suggestions and where would it rank :>

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

This is General Discussion, this thread should change to Fun and Games

 

[Zarovut]

This is General Discussion, this thread should change to Fun and Games

Right, is there a way to move the thread?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Right, is there a way to move the thread?

Ask staff in this thread for move it to Fun and Games

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[Zarovut]

Ask staff in this thread for move it to Fun and Games

All-purpose request thread (New forum)

It’s unlocked Please, next time, just copy the page title instead of just linking the profile to its redirect name or one that doesn’t match the profile name. It’ll be easier to mass protect that way. Oh god....I forgot one character... Could you please unlock this profile as well? Perpetua...

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Gotcha

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Ultra Physiology is surprisingly good.

 

[Zarovut]

Ultra Physiology is surprisingly good.

Where do you think would it rank?

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Around 3. It's strongest users are tier 1, and it's surprisingly haxy.

 

[AlexSamDen]

I would propose Ultimate Skill user here. Pretty busted in hax and resistances. Plus, as said in the note on the page, its users also have Spiritual Lifeform Physiology by default

 

[Zarovut]

I would propose Ultimate Skill user here. Pretty busted in hax and resistances.

Where do you think would it rank?

Plus, as said in the note on the page, its users also have Spiritual Lifeform Physiology by default

Hmmm, do you think there should be a separate tier list for Physiology, since they're pretty distinct on their own?

 

[sukuna171]

sword logic could easily take the second spot for now.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Where do you think would it rank?

Probably replace the 3rd spot for now. Plot is cool, but there is no way for them to deal with CM1

Hmmm, do you think there should be a separate tier list for Physiology, since they're pretty distinct on their own?

The previous one had them in one bracket.
You could technically separate them, can be fun. Though it shouldn't be affecting those who have those physiology as a prerequisite to their power

 

[Lycoris4812]

Only one can top all lists, Yin Tian Shen Yin.

 

[Zarovut]

Alright, updated. I also decided to make a separate list for Physiologies

 

[sukuna171]

Alright, updated. I also decided to make a separate list for Physiologies

Sword logic should be the second spot for countless layers via the power to take. The power to Take includes abilities such as Corruption, Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation type 1, Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Body Puppetry and Possession, plus Mathematics Manipulation.

 

[AlexSamDen]

Sword logic should be the second spot for countless layers via the power to take. The power to Take includes abilities such as Corruption, Law Manipulation, Conceptual Manipulation type 1, Reality Warping, Existence Erasure, Mind Manipulation, Body Puppetry and Possession, plus Mathematics Manipulation.

Except the accepted amount is "Unknown/Undefined". It's still limited

 

[AlexSamDen]

Alright, updated. I also decided to make a separate list for Physiologies

My guy, why did you banish Ultras to the shadow realm tho? I said replace in the sense that it is better for that place and Ultra would be below

 

[SuperNova55555]

Alright, updated. I also decided to make a separate list for Physiologies

I guess proposing this (top 1 currently)

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

Servant Physiology is very haxy, but not very strong.

 

[sukuna171]

sura Except the accepted amount is "Unknown/Undefined". It's still limited

again, should still take a spot above tensura which has only 5 layers

 

[Zarovut]

Only one can top all lists, Yin Tian Shen Yin.

You know what, I might as well just put that verse at the very top

I guess proposing this (top 1 currently)

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Servant Physiology is very haxy, but not very strong.

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[AlexSamDen]

Alright, updated. I also decided to make a separate list for Physiologies

Another thing: on the same page with Spiritual Lifeform physiology, there is also Digital Lifeform physiology. You should replace the name, since they are the same with a few new perks like an unconventional timestop that let's a finite speed character fight against an Immeasurable one

 

[AlexSamDen]

again, should still take a spot above tensura which has only 5 layers

Please, let's not do this again. The last time the discussion on this topic reached like 5 pages

Let's settle on the matter that the page itself states that not all users of it even gain abilities listed there in the first place. Not everyone there even has a combat-applicable CM. Layers also vary

Meaning that as a baseline physiology/ability system it's worse

 

[sukuna171]

Please, let's not do this again. The last time the discussion on this topic reached like 5 pages

Let's settle on the matter that the page itself states that not all users of it even gain abilities listed there in the first place. Not everyone there even has a combat-applicable CM. Layers also vary

Meaning that as a baseline physiology/ability system it's worse

The layers are unspecific because they vary case‑by‑case between characters. For example, two Guardians might have equal raw strength but fall into different layers due to differences in their paracausality. I’m fine with the current spot for now, since the Paracausality page will go into more detail about the layers in the future

 

[AlexSamDen]

The layers are unspecific because they vary case‑by‑case between characters. For example, two Guardians might have equal raw strength but fall into different layers due to differences in their paracausality.

I know that perfectly well. I didn't participate in those 5 pages for no reason

That's also why I say that as a baseline it's not that good. As a baseline - they get nothing. Everything else is case-by-case

 

[sukuna171]

You know what, I might as well just put that verse at the very top


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time power should take the number 2 spot for powers and abilities

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I guess proposing this (top 1 currently)

Now it’s gone. Now add this, @Zarovut (top 1 currently). Man, I would have loved to add their history erasure (erasing someone through the laws of the world, denying the very fact that they ever existed). so the erasures look incomplete. also add their peak conceptual destruction (destroying the entirety of existence by removing the concepts that form all worlds and existence itself) etc. If only I had the translation , now I have to wait a freaking year.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Now it’s gone. Now add this, @Zarovut (top 1 currently).

Beyonder Physiology literally has way more layers tho

 

[Wesker018]

what about this one guys, idk what spot tho

 

[Zarovut]

Now it’s gone. Now add this, @Zarovut (top 1 currently). Man, I would have loved to add their history erasure (erasing someone through the laws of the world, denying the very fact that they ever existed). so the erasures look incomplete. also add their peak conceptual destruction (destroying the entirety of existence by removing the concepts that form all worlds and existence itself) etc. If only I had the translation , now I have to wait a freaking year.

Done

time power should take the number 2 spot for powers and abilities

Done

what about this one guys, idk what spot tho

Done. Though do you think this should be listed in "Powers & Abilities" or "Physiologies"? Because I really can't decide after reading it.

I'm currently placing this in "Powers & Abilities", but lmk if it should stay or move.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Beyonder Physiology literally has way more layers tho

True, they may have more layers, but that doesn’t save them from some of the things on that page. For example, they might resist multiple layers of conceptual alteration, but that doesn’t necessarily protect them from having their concept erased or sealed, or from conceptual enforcement, such as the concept of nothingness being forced onto them. And the god page has more defensive abilities, to add gods can spawn avatars that lack any true sentience, have no will, and aren’t even people in the first place, since those passives depend on being sentience, so they wouldn’t work.

 

[SuperNova55555]

For example, they might resist multiple layers of conceptual alteration, but that doesn’t necessarily protect them from having their concept erased or sealed, or from conceptual enforcement, such as the concept of nothingness being forced onto them.

I was mostly talking other hax and stuff but this can actually be somewhat true since LOTM concepts wouldn’t really be proper genera until Sefirot (layer 2).

But anyhow, I’d assume you’d require 2 layers of concept manip as a prerequisite in order to affect it with baseline concept erasure. Though I’m not sure of the ruling here ngl.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I was mostly talking other hax and stuff but this can actually be somewhat true since LOTM concepts wouldn’t really be proper genera until Sefirot (layer 2).

Ok, i see

But anyhow, I’d assume you’d require 2 layers of concept manip as a prerequisite in order to affect it with baseline concept erasure. Though I’m not sure of the ruling here ngl.

It's best to ask @DontTalkDT to be safe, rather than us arguing without proof. Am gon ask him.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Since when does DT bother with lesser beings like us

 

[Rakih_Elyan]

Done. Though do you think this should be listed in "Powers & Abilities" or "Physiologies"? Because I really can't decide after reading it.

Physiologies, Cultivation Realms are similar to Yin Tian Shen Yin Paths.

 

[Zarovut]

Physiologies, Cultivation Realms are similar to Yin Tian Shen Yin Paths.

Mhm, changed.

 

[The_King_of_Prudence]

0. Paths (Yin Tian Shen Yin)

Couldn't you just bump the others down?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Since when does DT bother with lesser beings like us

Only if you enter his world and he agrees with me, if you look at his page.

https://vsbattles.com/members/donttalkdt.1149/

2.  Beyonder Physiology (LoTM)

3. God Physiology (Trinity Seven)

Since we now understand how this works, another example would be this: they may have resistance to certain types of soul manipulation or specific forms of information type 2 manipulation, and so on, but that would not give them resistance to soul absorption, information type 2 absorption, mind absorption, etc.

So what exactly does Beyonder Physiology have that would truly allow it to take down God Physiology and be considered higher than it in rank? We know that the abilities it has layered either would not work or would not be enough to defeat them. Meanwhile, God Physiology has many ways to take down Beyonder Physiology if necessary. For example, i could add law abstraction to their normal abstract existence (concept), since there are clear statements equating concepts with laws, and so on, making it even more impossible for Beyonder Physiology to interact with it.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I mean yea they shouldn’t be having Law Manip by default so ig its fine

 

[Zarovut]

Couldn't you just bump the others down?

You know what, yeah

So what exactly does Beyonder Physiology have that would truly allow it to take down God Physiology and be considered higher than it in rank? We know that the abilities it has layered either would not work or would not be enough to defeat them. Meanwhile, God Physiology has many ways to take down Beyonder Physiology if necessary. For example, i could add law abstraction to their normal abstract existence (concept), since there are clear statements equating concepts with laws, and so on, making it even more impossible for Beyonder Physiology to interact with it.

Mhm, switched the position between Beyonder Physiology and God Physiology