Tensura CRT: Ramiris Profile Update (Accepted)

[AstraphelNoctis4]

As the title says..​

So..I’ve made some revisions to Ramiris’ profile, added several abilities and removed others that don’t have proof or that she simply doesn’t have.

Here’s the current profile:

Ramiris (Light Novel)

Ramiris ｢ラミリス Ramirisu?｣ is one of the first generation of Demon Lords, alongside Guy Crimson and Milim Nava, the third seat of the Octagram, and the manager of the Dungeon. She is also the Chosen Hero's Guide, said to bestow Divine Protection on Chosen Heroes. She preserves the balance of the...

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And here’s the draft of the updated version from my sandbox:

New profile​

Abilities I removed (not listing anything I added):​

• Automatic Translation, Enhanced Senses, and Extrasensory Perception via Magic Sense because she doesn’t have Magic Sense.
• Benefits and resistances from a Unique Skill as she doesn’t have a Unique Skill.
• All Elemental Resistances (She doesn’t have Natural Effect Resistance.)
• Resistance to Poison as this is already covered under Spiritual Lifeform physiology, so listing it separately is redundant.
• Resistance to Data Manipulation  and Information Manipulation via Magic Sense.
• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) based on Great Spirits as they are now treated differently from attributes, so this justification doesn’t work.
• The part claiming she has all of Treyni’s abilities because the scan doesn’t actually prove that.
• Fate Manipulation  as there’s no proof she manipulates fate. She only grants blessings to heroes who are guided by fate .

That’s pretty much everything. I’d appreciate any feedback on what might need tweaking or if I overlooked anything..

 

[The_golden_and_silver_house94]

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1) based on Great Spirits as they are now treated differently from attributes, so this justification doesn’t work

Is there a CRT for this,I remember there's a CRT that equated great spirits and great attributes

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Is there a CRT for this,I remember there's a CRT that equated great spirits and great attributes

Yeah

Minor Terms Revision - [TenSura LN]

Hello everyone, today I wanted to do a few things about the Tensura Cosmology Page. This is not an upgrade or downgrade, it's only to change how we define a few things in-verse. Great Spirits & Attributes Currently Great Spirits and Attributes are treated as the same thing, but that's wrong...

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[AlexSamDen]

Due to Spiritual Lifeforms' nature despite no longer being equated with Attributes, Great Spirits are still Type 1 Concepts, even though on a less grand scale

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Due to Spiritual Lifeforms' nature despite no longer being equated with Attributes, Great Spirits are still Type 1 Concepts, even though on a less grand scale

Hmm, yeah. But that’s covered by magic, so I guess it’s fine in removing.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Benefits and resistances from a Unique Skill as she doesn’t have a Unique Skill.

It's an intrinsic skill yeh
But I remember it being said somewhere that it was comparable to an ultimate so Rapahel couldn't copy it. Gotta see if I can find it

• All Elemental Resistances and Resistance to Analysis (No reasoning provided.)

Where is this from tho??
I couldn't find find it on page

• The part claiming she has all of Treyni’s abilities because the scan doesn’t actually prove that.

Yeh ds needs to go. Idek how that scan concludes "she created dryads", though maybe imgur is doing its magic...

• Fate Manipulation  as there’s no proof she manipulates fate. She only grants blessings to heroes who are guided by fate .

To become a hero, you need the blessing of both the light spirit and the darkness spirit. Only after you become a hero are you "guided by fate"

Since Ramiris can trigger the latter by granting blessing, I think it can stay, though it does need Rewording

If I didn't comment on anything it means I agree. Great work humu

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Where is this from tho??
I couldn't find find it on page

Well here.

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Will be checking this out later, but I made sure to make the abilities separate to align with the other Tensura profiles.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Well here.

Ah
First one can stay tbh
I need to find the scan where Rapahel couldn't analyze info from labyrinth creation without permission from Ramiris


As for resistances, yeah they can be removed. I checked the guides (V8.5, 13.5, tensura x) and couldn't find anything there

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Ah
First one can stay tbh
I need to find the scan where Rapahel couldn't analyze info from labyrinth creation without permission from Ramiris


As for resistances, yeah they can be removed. I checked the guides (V8.5, 13.5, tensura x) and couldn't find anything there

Yeah, I guess I’ll add it once I find the scan.

 

[Violatas]

Ah
First one can stay tbh
I need to find the scan where Rapahel couldn't analyze info from labyrinth creation without permission from Ramiris


As for resistances, yeah they can be removed. I checked the guides (V8.5, 13.5, tensura x) and couldn't find anything there

Yeah, I guess I’ll add it once I find the scan.

It's from volume 10 (Slimereader)

«Proposal. If permission to interfere with the individual Ramiris’s Intrinsic Skill ‘Labyrinth Creation’ is granted, more accurate intelligence could be extracted.»

I kept a lot of notes about that damn labyrinth as I went through the series lol

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

It's from volume 10 (Slimereader)



I kept a lot of notes about that damn labyrinth as I went through the series lol

I came across this too, but there was a more clear one

Where Rimuru or Rapahel said Mazecraft is on ultimate skill lvl

 

[Violatas]

I came across this too, but there was a more clear one

Where Rimuru or Rapahel said Mazecraft is on ultimate skill lvl

This one from volume 8?

With that, the dungeon was almost complete. How impressive that it only took a week. Perhaps Wisdom KingRaphael-sensei could even recreate that incredible skill, upon thinking so, I tried to ask it—

«Answer. Intrinsic Skill of Individual “Ramiris” cannot be recreated.»

And like that it immediately turned me down. Such majestic work could only be achieved by Ramiris.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

This one from volume 8?

Yep
Rapahel can copy practically any unique skill, so it should be fine to conclude Mazecraft is ultimate lvl, especially when true dragons have a hard time dealing with it

 

[Elizhaa]

I share similar thoughts to Astral_Trinity439's regarding the proposals.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Yep
Rapahel can copy practically any unique skill, so it should be fine to conclude Mazecraft is ultimate lvl, especially when true dragons have a hard time dealing with it

I share similar thoughts to Astral_Trinity439's regarding the proposals.

In that case , how should I describe it? Even if Mazecraft is an Ultimate-level skill, she wouldn’t actually get its usual benefits (other than the layers) and the resistances, since that would contradict the event happened in the novel
Any ideas?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

In that case , how should I describe it? Even if Mazecraft is an Ultimate-level skill, she wouldn’t actually get its usual benefits (other than the layers) and the resistances, since that would contradict the event happened in the novel
Any ideas?

I assume you're talking about the invulnerability and power null here
In that case, we can give her the non-defensive abilities (like Law manip layers and subjective reality)

So a wording like:

• Some Benefits from Ultimate Skill users(Her <Mazecraft> is comparable to that of an Ultimate as it cannot be analyzed by one)
  • Law Manipulation
  • Subjective Reality
  • Etc.

Basically just list them below as indented points.

Otherwise can also just write it as

All Offensive Benefits from Ultimate Skill users (Description)

Though if we do this we might need to clarify it every time in vs threads, as thinking that the powernull is offensive is something that's often come up

Also, I forgot, but there are analyses and power Mimicry type unique skills
And they're layered

So I'd say the "Resistance to Analysis (and Power Mimicry added" should display the layers

 

[Elizhaa]

In that case , how should I describe it? Even if Mazecraft is an Ultimate-level skill, she wouldn’t actually get its usual benefits (other than the layers) and the resistances, since that would contradict the event happened in the novel
Any ideas?

Sure; Small world or the labyrinth skill name from the other wiki should have been given from Veldanava (Volume 18 Chapter 1); it is the main power that Ramiris has and this case could serve as supporting evidence why it is in Ultimate level skill.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Sure; Small world or the labyrinth skill name from the otther wiki should have been given from Veldanava (Volume 18 Chapter 1); it is the main power that Ramiris has and this case could serve as supporting evidence why it is in Ultimate level skill.

Edit: I just saw Astral’s reply...

Edit: I’ve also added resistance to power nullification for Mazecraft, since Raphael cannot interfere with or interact with it without Ramiris’s permission and Raphael has power nullification as well.

 

[Community_Gamer]

I agree withe proposal and the suggested changes.

 

[PrimeHydra64]

Same, I agree with the suggested changes as well.
Even Ciel can't even reproduce it (Though that could just be Rimuru being Rimuru since that was after his soul got yoinked).

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Bump

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Bump

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Bump

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Eh, seems fine to me.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Bump

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Bump

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Bump

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Bump

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Eh, seems fine to me.

Sorry to bother you, but could you tell me whether two vote is enough? If not, could you please ping some staff here? It seems like my requests aren’t getting through.

 

[Dereck03]

Did some cleanup to the profile, should be good to go.

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

Did some cleanup to the profile, should be good to go.

Thank you, Derek.