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Major MCU Speed Downgrade: Far From Bullet Speeds

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Anonymous_Learner said:
I'm very sad Rami Spider-Man (the GOAT) can't leach off TASM but I agree 🥀
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Raimi Peter without Andrew leeching:
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Dalesean027 said:
no one ever flies at top speeds when in combat, there are several examples that prove they don't above as well as several visual examples to show what supersonic speeds looks like in the MCU, they always make mach cones or sonic booms clear. Not a soul has reacted to a character's top flight speeds yet because none of them operate at their top flight speeds in combat
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Regarding this, the script states that Thanos did react to Captain Marvel's top speed, I guess that would be considered an outlier and/or inconsistent with her not doing a sonic boom/cone? And another question just to be sure, would any feat that surpasses Quicksilver running speed and doesn't have any visual effects of speed be considered an outlier (like Hela's MHS feat)?
 
Would sonic claps need a separate attack speed listed? Would Supersonic attack speed be required to create one to begin with?
 
RoTt35 said:
Regarding this, the script states that Thanos did react to Captain Marvel's top speed
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the script in this case is simply inconsistent to what actually happens in the movie unless you believe her top flight speeds are subsonic so less an outlier and more it should be discarded for being inaccurate

there are goons even moving at the same speed as thanos and relative to her here, even ignoring all of that you can clearly see that she isn't flying at Rel+ speeds in this scene unless everyone downscales with Rel for literally everyone being relative here which obviously isn't the case
 
Completely agree.

At least this won't affect Thanos since he scales to Carol's flight speed anyway which is untouched
 
Saqphire said:
Completely agree.

At least this won't affect Thanos since he scales to Carol's flight speed anyway which is untouched
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Brah...
Dalesean027 said:
the script in this case is simply inconsistent to what actually happens in the movie unless you believe her top flight speeds are subsonic so less an outlier and more it should be discarded for being inaccurate

there are goons even moving at the same speed as thanos and relative to her here, even ignoring all of that you can clearly see that she isn't flying at Rel+ speeds in this scene unless everyone downscales with Rel for literally everyone being relative here which obviously isn't the case
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Arkansalter2 said:
Ah yes. Damn near a god but can't even react to a bullet.
Agree FRA.
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The thing is, they probably COULD. But the MCU is allergic to visually appealing speed portrayals. Compare to the deceased DCEU, how Snyder portrayed his characters moving like a blur, even MCU super strength feels fake.

The MCU makes a clear distinction when someone really fast is on screen through blitzing etc.
 
Dalesean027 said:
as Quicksilver himself is only Supersonic, and he explicitly perceives everyone else as essentially frozen.
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What I am going to say is that noting he perceives people as almost frozen is kind of counterintuitive to rating him as Supersonic given how much faster than someone you really have to be to achieve that effect (especially if we're rating them as Subsonic overall), and given that him going at such speeds is presented very consistently I would push back against that

Still there's a very, very good case that nobody else should be anywhere near that speed as outlined with the rest of the thread, so I do find myself agreeing with the overall idea
 
DMUA said:
What I am going to say is that noting he perceives people as almost frozen is kind of counterintuitive to rating him as Supersonic given how much faster than someone you really have to be to achieve that effect (especially if we're rating them as Subsonic overall), and given that him going at such speeds is presented very consistently I would push back against that
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I mean the issue with Quicksilver is that despite that perception, he has issues:
  • A pistol goes through his arm, and the bullet is moving faster than he is
  • Despite seeing a bullet travel upwards, he's unable to do anything and falls to the floor
  • He dies to a weapon that fires mach 2-3 projectiles and was unable to outrun it's aim
Maybe his perception speed is higher, but its hard to argue that he's physically double-digit mach considering how many times he's shot.
 
DMUA said:
What I am going to say is that noting he perceives people as almost frozen is kind of counterintuitive to rating him as Supersonic given how much faster than someone you really have to be to achieve that effect (especially if we're rating them as Subsonic overall), and given that him going at such speeds is presented very consistently I would push back against that
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noted, thanks for commenting
Qawsedf234 said:
Maybe his perception speed is higher, but its hard to argue that he's physically double-digit mach considering how many times he's shot.
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this could also be the case but yeah otherwise he's definitely meant to be just relative to bullets and not far far faster
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I mean the issue with Quicksilver is that despite that perception, he has issues:
  • A pistol goes through his arm, and the bullet is moving faster than he is
  • Despite seeing a bullet travel upwards, he's unable to do anything and falls to the floor
  • He dies to a weapon that fires mach 2-3 projectiles and was unable to outrun it's aim
Maybe his perception speed is higher, but its hard to argue that he's physically double-digit mach considering how many times he's shot.
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Those first two aren't on the thread and I don't quite remember them, but the last one even without a powerscaling lens comes off really stupidly, just because we also see him outrun those bullets to actually get in front of hawkeye and the civilian and thus there was no real reason for him to stop. It's bad presentation/writing, rather than a clear showing he's not quite as fast as a bullet
 
DMUA said:
Those first two aren't on the thread
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actually the first one is apart of what the Supersonic rating we're using for him is based on, its linked in the proposals, it takes to a sandbox that shows some examples of what some updated speed ratings look like and Quicksilver's new calc is listed there with that specific first feat being listed there

here it is though, I'll make it more clear
 
DMUA said:
Those first two aren't on the thread
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One and two
DMUA said:
without a powerscaling lens comes off really stupidly, just because we also see him outrun those bullets to actually get in front of hawkeye and the civilian and thus there was no real reason for him to stop
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Going by the scene he grabs them and moves them while the bullets hit his back but before the rest can kill them. So fast enough to keep pace but not fast enough to be like five orders of magnitude better.
 
Btw this is a tad late (which feels a bit embarrassing on my part since I helped with this), but I wanna leave no stone unturned here. As the OP mentions, the MCU has tons of instances of relevant characters getting help up by firearms

Yeah, there's more than enough cases of MCU characters being pressed by being held at gunpoint...even Spidey....

Might as well mention them now before someone says "no one ever gets held up in the MCU"
 
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Btw, since cross-caling between MCU, FOX, etc. will be dismissed (if I read correctly), would that also affect other profiles like FOX Pyro scaling from FOX Human Torch's speed, Old Logan's claws scaling from FOX/MCU Deadpool, etc. (basically the whole D&W cross-scaling)?
 
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