It being a non combat armor doesn't really matter tbh if none of his armors are established as being combat and reaction boosters in fact the official marvel site specifcally notes that only his flight speeds are improved with later armors as far as anything speed related goes so like his combat and reactions isn't improving or declining per armor
You got a scan to back this up?
It's the same scan as the 400 m/s one.
Yeah this scan is why he's 633m/s rn since him being faster than his previous 400m/s wouldn't be inconsistent and fits his statements if being far faster than everyone else and around bullet speeds
633 m/s is still far below freezing a character who moves 35 m/s i made a fast calc of it and got it if he ran 1 meter while Captain America was still it would be 4000 m/s so i doubt 600 m/s is true.
Why tho because i looked through the defenition and saw this "A series of movements in similar timeframes makes this combat speed, so this term should only be applied for a single, quick movement" and there is a series of movments as Quicksilver moves his head faster and looks down while reacting.
That's an almost 20x speed gap btw and still fits the presentation of the scene which is that the Supersonic guy can blitz the non supersonics, we're still being fair in the ratings and having the the others be 90~100m/s, a 6~7x difference which still at least gets the point across
A lot more than that, please actually read it because while that is a aspect it's maybe 1/4th of everything brought up in the OP
Thanks for taking the time to read it, this did originally all start with just making keys to separate some scaling from spider-man but then we snowballed into finding a lot more stuff for like everyone and relooking over all the calcs we used and then ending up like damn
its gotta be done
20x is way too low even if it was a human the feat would still be alot higher as i said in my previous comment i got a low end result to 4000 m/s with him only moving 1 meter. This is supported aswell because the 400 m/s statement also says his speed was increasing by day towards light speed.
It doesn’t need to be a 1:1 thing, all we know is that 1. Quicksilver is canonically a Supersonic individual 2. He statues everyone else
It’s not just Quicksilver though, it’s Quicksilver + Makkari + Subsonic calcs and statements + Dozens of anti feats.
This can’t be serious right? I mean, he saw the bullet coming, didn’t do anything and failed to get out of the way. Let’s say we use the feat, calculated properly (Hypersonic-ish). What changes? Absolutely nothing.
Not true at all
Objectively untrue lol, like actually this isn't even anything to deliberate on, we can drop another 25~50+ feats or anti-feats if need be
In the same scene Thanos gets blitzed by cloud to ground lightning - Low level clouds usually sit at an altitude of 6500 feet or 1981.2m so in the time it takes him to raise his arm in like a 1~1.5m arc so legit likey just subsonic~subsonic+
Not saying it's equal, but clearly there's plenty of high end speed feats as you've put 14 in this crt. That should hold merit to the intent that some of the characters are meant to be of higher speed, some are flight feats for sure.
Should not it be removed from the op then? I assumed it was being used in the greater MCU scale since its brought up.
Probably forgot, I skimmed through this last night. But I assumed since it was put it was being used in conjunction with the rest of the feats. The op calls it an outlier but its not, it's being excluded in use of the greater MCU scaling right? I did not know the pages were using it in scaling.
Because I didn’t get an answer earlier, are we planning on splitting the keys of the non MCU folks into one for their OG continuities and another for their depictions in the MCU, or are we just letting them be despite the confusion that may bring?
Your explanations don't change what happened on screen. That is why I say they have merit.
True I did not know.
dawg 14 explaining why they literally can't be used under their current justification proving how they are false our out of context in anything that scales to combat and reactions, did you actually read the CRT? No one is denying they don't have fast long distance flight speed but guess what that doesn't scale to their combat and reactions.
It doesn't have any merit though? being a fast flier doesn't automatically mean you scale to your top travel speeds in combat and reactions? What I said in the OP wasn't even like conjecture or anything of the sort just blatant explanations of what happens on screen to show why the current justifications don't work for scaling to combat and reactions so if your whole point is that its what happened on screen then you're agreeing with me
It is being used when it shouldn't we literally have an entire section dedicated to talking about how cross scaling is a no no? Did you even read what was posted?
Isn’t that gonna be very confusing for new members tho? Like, how do we reconcile within the profiles how Rami, Amazing, and MCU spidey each have different speeds despite being shown on-screen to be on-par with one another? We can’t just hand-wave that shit, right?
Not even just that all of the anti-feats and like 95% of the stated values we got are literally provided on screen in the movies so like
Tbh Captain Marvel's Relativistic+ perceptions is pretty suspect, cause it does mean everyone (Including herself) looks immobile to her.
I mean that's how we'd treat a feat like this so yeah? she doesn't react to anything or fight anyone in this feat or her other lower end flight feats soo like yeah its just flight speed and perceptions that can keep up with her flight speed. This isn't a new concept on wiki it was the same thing I was going to end up doing for My Adventures with Superman when Supergirl had a like Sub-Rel reaction feat while everything else sat at MHS at the time before it got proper upgrades
I suppose that makes since
Faster than a bullet train...faster than a jet.. it was impossible
No I meant it's weird for her to get tagged by Subsonic lads when she can move at Relativistic+ speeds and perceive stuff just fine in those speeds, a.k.a. she functionally just has Relativistic+ combat speed.
Top flight speed does not equate to combat speeds?
She shouldn't have the perception speed if she was "flying blindly," no?
I mean sure ya can nitpick my wording but that doesn't really address the point at all so I'll take that as a concession there ig.
Not at all, Quicksilver being able to operate all in all speed categories at consistent Supersonic speed is what makes his speed impressive. Her just having high perceptions from flying around a planet not reacting to anything doesn't contradict quicksilver being overall faster than her but it seems you're advocating for its removal? This is like judging the other characters by having better long distance flight speed than quicksilvers max speeds
Ye, remove the perception speed, say it's an outlier or something
that's still not really how that works mathematically but if you'd rather that get axed than sure I'll just leave it as top flight speed alone
There's several feats that are combat. I'm acknowledging some are flight, I'm not saying they stand to be argued for combat speed.
Hela blocking the lightning, Spiderman dodging meteors, Scarlet stops an explosion, Hulks jump. All hold merit as they happened. I'm not saying the flight feats are usable for combat, that's a whole different thing that will likely become a big issue with this downgrade.
You left it in with all the feats so just came off like it was part of those, not its own but clearly its not. I've read the fox and tasm part now so my fault for not reading all of it.
What happened on screen and what's calced are the same thing, the visuals are just explained through math. I think we all agree with that, that's my logic. I'm just saying as it stands, I don't think the arguments in the OP warrant a full downgrade. Not exactly sure what should be done but it seems unhealthy to do a blanket downgrade.
For example this doesn't exactly prove much. Yes it demonstrates something more than not, but if it comes a time when there's more higher end feats combat/movement (not flight) will the argument still be the characters take cover a lot and held at gun point scenes signify lower speed? If there's a point where some character's main goal is to move faster to protect another character in a short timeframe will this still hold? This doesn't feel sustainable is all I'm getting at, not that I disagree with the crt's perspective.
