Overwatch General Discussion Thread

[Mbpoops]

I mean vendetta mid diffing doom fist

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I mean vendetta mid diffing doom fist

Dumb as **** btw but its worth noting he could easily catch her blade swings and there's a decent narrative arguement he's not in his prime

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Like someone correct me if I'm wrong but current top tier heros are Doomfist, Winston, Genji, Vendetta, and there is an arguement for Orisa. Ilari and Sigma are featless

 

[DaReaperMan]

Like someone correct me if I'm wrong but current top tier heros are Doomfist, Winston, Genji, Vendetta, and there is an arguement for Orisa. Ilari and Sigma are featless

Doomfist, Primal Rage Winston (Base gets one-shot by Doom, so...), Vendetta (Beat an Out of Prime Doomfist?), and Mauga (1v1'd Doomfist in an all-out brawl to a complete draw), with Orisa being close behind those four.

Genji only gets top tier status with Dragonblade, otherwise he was no-sold and one-shot by Doomfist.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Doomfist, Primal Rage Winston (Base gets one-shot by Doom, so...), Vendetta (Beat an Out of Prime Doomfist?), and Mauga (1v1'd Doomfist in an all-out brawl to a complete draw), with Orisa being close behind those four.

Genji only gets top tier status with Dragonblade, otherwise he was no-sold and one-shot by Doomfist.

That just means he's a glass canon. Genji never used Dragon Blade on Doomfist too

With his deflection feat against the titan omnic using his smaller sword and noncybernetic hand I think its pretty clear he's top tier strength wise

It makes sense, hes a ninja, strong and fast, etc

 

[DaReaperMan]

That just means he's a glass canon. Genji never used Dragon Blade on Doomfist too

With his deflection feat against the titan omnic using his smaller sword and noncybernetic hand I think its pretty clear he's top tier strength wise

It makes sense, hes a ninja, strong and fast, etc

Damn, so top tier! We can watch as he literally cannot do any damage in real time!

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Damn, so top tier! We can watch as he literally cannot do any damage in real time!

Yeah he did jackshit with his shurikens and smaller sword, he doesn't use his Dragon Blade ult here. This potentially upscales Doomfist's durability, but I don't see how it locks Genji out of top tier territory given his other feats.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah he did jackshit with his shurikens and smaller sword, he doesn't use his Dragon Blade ult here. This potentially upscales Doomfist's durability, but I don't see how it locks Genji out of top tier territory given his other feats.

You realize he's got no reason to scale to his sushiblade, right?

Also, if he was a top-tier, he certainly didn't show it literally anywhere else, like him treating getting fisted by the maater fister much worse than Harambe did, or being portrayed as weaker than Harambe in Storm Rising.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

And I know voice lines aren't strictly canon but Genji does not at all seem wary of fighting Doomfist again. Doomfist distracted Genji with a car that left him wide open for a clean gauntlet hit. Again, that's a Doomfist feat, not particularly damning for the glass canon Genji.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

You realize he's got no reason to scale to his sushiblade, right?

Also, if he was a top-tier, he certainly didn't show it literally anywhere else, like him treating getting fisted by the maater fister much worse than Harambe did, or being portrayed as weaker than Harambe in Storm Rising.

He's got no reason to scale to the sword he wields and swings? Also where in Storm Rising does it portray Genji being so much weaker?

 

[DaReaperMan]

He's got no reason to scale to the sword he wields and swings?

a sword he wields and swings that is also portrayed as above all of his other shit and, let me remind you, is his ult in-game. Swords are allowed to be stronger than their users, and in fact IRL they usually are.

Hey, does Reaper scale to how fast he can fire in Death Blossom? Does Winston scale to his Primal Rage self? If your answer to either of these is "no", which at least for Winston they 100% should be because Winston literally beat the guy that one-shot his base, your argument fails to hold water.

Also where in Storm Rising does it portray Genji being so much weaker?

Perhaps Genji not having 500 health, not having the ability to stand in front of a Talon Heavy Assault without being downed in 0.5 seconds, and the fact he's comparable to Tracer. In fact, he's got more saying he's comparable to Tracer than he's got saying he's even sniffing Winton's ass in scaling, seeing as she's canonically his sparring partner.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Oh, and for the record, part of what Doomfist was no-selling was Swift Strikes. So yeah, physical attacks. You ready to argue Dragonblade<<<Vendetta, Sound Barrier, Sonic Amplifier, Mauga, and Primal Rage Harambe?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

a sword he wields and swings that is also portrayed as above all of his other shit and, let me remind you, is his ult in-game. Swords are allowed to be stronger than their users, and in fact IRL they usually are.

Hey, does Reaper scale to how fast he can fire in Death Blossom? Does Winston scale to his Primal Rage self? If your answer to either of these is "no", which at least for Winston they 100% should be because Winston literally beat the guy that one-shot his base, your argument fails to hold water.

Perhaps Genji not having 500 health, not having the ability to stand in front of a Talon Heavy Assault without being downed in 0.5 seconds, and the fact he's comparable to Tracer. In fact, he's got more saying he's comparable to Tracer than he's got saying he's even sniffing Winton's ass in scaling, seeing as she's canonically his sparring partner.

Except we see Genji deflect the Null Titan's cannon shots back at it with his smaller sword and weaker hand, hard enough to damage its armor and stagger it enough to make it topple over.

So him cutting through its hand with his ult is already supported with his physicals, in this case his striking strength, so that argument just doesn't work because we straight up see its consistent.

Not every ult ability is the same, some are physical abilities, some are gadgets, some are entirely unexplained. This is a nonsense false equivalence, because again, weve seen him perform feats on the same level when not using his ult.

Also, gameplay mechanics and HP values is not at all a slamdunk. DPS Vendetta defeat tank Doomfist. In game a Widowmaker does more damage than a Dragon Blade slash, do we scale Widow to ******* 8A now?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Oh, and for the record, part of what Doomfist was no-selling was Swift Strikes. So yeah, physical attacks. You ready to argue Dragonblade<<<Vendetta, Sound Barrier, Sonic Amplifier, Mauga, and Primal Rage Harambe?

I'm assuming you meant >>>, but that's never what I was arguing. I said Genji was in the top tiers AP wise, not that he solo'd all of them. How many times do I have to clarify that?

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

If Genji had no other physical feats within the same realm as his Dragon Blade than sure he's a Dragon Blade merchant but we see he does, so what's the argument here?

 

[DaReaperMan]

Except we see Genji deflect the Null Titan's cannon shots back at it with his smaller sword and weaker hand, hard enough to damage its armor and stagger it enough to make it topple over.

Genji can be the point of scaling WITHOUT being a top tier.

I'm assuming you meant >>>,

This is Vendetta to the Dragonblade with how your scaling would pan out.

Any questions where I stand, now?

but that's never what I was arguing. I said Genji was in the top tiers AP wise, not that he solo'd all of them. How many times do I have to clarify that?

You're spouting Genji=Dragonblade. If you're not prepared to deal with the consequences of that, why bring it up?

So him cutting through its hand with his ult is already supported with his physicals, in this case his striking strength, so that argument just doesn't work because we straight up see its consistent.

You're talking to a Blacksmith. Swords do not necessarily scale to their wielder. You can put a well-crafted two-handed sword clean through a human body or the skull, and it's possible with a one-hander if it's sturdy enough too. There's a reason standard European longswords are 9-C, not 10-B.

Not every ult ability is the same, some are physical abilities, some are gadgets, some are entirely unexplained. This is a nonsense false equivalence, because again, weve seen him perform feats on the same level when not using his ult.

Stagger=/=Cut something clean off. If you make Genji the point of scaling(which you CAN, IIRC the Torb mission in the Story mode you can eat shots from the Titan there), his blade would still be superior to his physicals, just not as much as it is right now.

Also, gameplay mechanics and HP values is not at all a slamdunk. DPS Vendetta defeat tank Doomfist. In game a Widowmaker does more damage than a Dragon Blade slash, do we scale Widow to ******* 8A now?

Doomfist was a DPS first ya know. Also, I formally request that you find something scaling Genji above Winston. "He's a Glass Cannon!!!" shatters the instant you bring in Newton's third law.

 

[DaReaperMan]

This is Genji vs a Top Tier. His "glass cannon" self can't even put a damn scratch on him.

Anyways, I'm tired. Find someone to argue with that perhaps doesn't look at current Overwatch and shakes their head in shame. I'm gonna go back to verses and characters with actually usually good writing, and if I feel like it tomorrow, I'll laugh at this convo and just not respond.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Genji can be the point of scaling WITHOUT being a top tier.

hypothetically, yes, he can, but your arguments proving that's the case have been awful

This is Vendetta to the Dragonblade with how your scaling would pan out.

Any questions where I stand, now?

I know where you stand, I just find it nonsensical. For the fourth fcking time, exactly where Genji places among the top tiers was irrelevant. This string of logic of 'Doomfist tanked swift strikes and Vendetta cut off a rusty Doomfist's arm so therefore she scales above the thing Genji never ******* used against Doomfist' is profoundly illogical

You're spouting Genji=Dragonblade. If you're not prepared to deal with the consequences of that, why bring it up?

I'm saying Genji has other feats within the same realm as his Dragon Blade feats, meaning the notion he doesn't at all scale to it physically is blatantly untrue.

You're talking to a Blacksmith. Swords do not necessarily scale to their wielder. You can put a well-crafted two-handed sword clean through a human body or the skull, and it's possible with a one-hander if it's sturdy enough too. There's a reason standard European longswords are 9-C, not 10-B.

Sure, swords can scale above their wielder. I'm not arguing Genji can break the Dragon Blade over his knee, I'm arguing that he is not separated to its scaling to the extent you are arguing it to be. You need to put enough force into a sword swing to properly cut through anything.

Stagger=/=Cut something clean off. If you make Genji the point of scaling(which you CAN, IIRC the Torb mission in the Story mode you can eat shots from the Titan there), his blade would still be superior to his physicals, just not as much as it is right now.

I argued he has shown physical feats on the same level. If you want to argue him cutting through its hand is more impressive then fine but those two feats are absolutely in the same ballpark.

Doomfist was a DPS first ya know.

He's not anymore. You tried to use the gameplay argument that because Winston has more HP because he's a tank that's concrete proof that he's in an entirely different league than Genji, I pointed out that's dumb. You pointing Doomfist was a DPS first out only furthers how much of a nothing point that is.

Also, I formally request that you find something scaling Genji above Winston.

I formally request you find where I said Genji>Winston

"He's a Glass Cannon!!!" shatters the instant you bring in Newton's third law.

How? Explain how? That just means Doomfist's gauntlet scales above Genji's deflection feat. Like if you don't want him to be a glass cannon than fine but pointing to Genji getting hit with the verse's most powerful weapon when he couldn't defend himself is not a slam dunk argument.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I know where you stand, I just find it nonsensical. For the fourth fcking time, exactly where Genji places among the top tiers was irrelevant. This string of logic of 'Doomfist tanked swift strikes and Vendetta cut off a rusty Doomfist's arm so therefore she scales above the thing Genji never ******* used against Doomfist' is profoundly illogical

Concession accepted that Genji is not as strong as his Dragonblade.

Genji has nothing saying he's stronger than everyone else, he's comparable to Tracer, who's comparable to all these other *****, and chainscaling goes from there. If you want to push for it, find that thread that a standard for Volcanos was established that I made for OW, combine that with Genji's feat, and try to upgrade them to IIRC Low 7-B.

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I'll defer to you though for if that'd be fine or not, since two feats to scale 95% of a verse can be iffy.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

This is Genji vs a Top Tier. His "glass cannon" self can't even put a damn scratch on him.

Anyways, I'm tired. Find someone to argue with that perhaps doesn't look at current Overwatch and shakes their head in shame. I'm gonna go back to verses and characters with actually usually good writing, and if I feel like it tomorrow, I'll laugh at this convo and just not respond.

lmao

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Concession accepted that Genji is not as strong as his Dragonblade.

Never argued he was superior to it, but he clearly has feats that put his physicals in the same ballpark.

Genji has nothing saying he's stronger than everyone else, he's comparable to Tracer,

In speed, sure, but if you have any Tracer feats where she is deflecting massive energy cannon blasts with her sword swings hard enough to make null titans stagger than I'd love to see it.

who's comparable to all these other *****, and chainscaling goes from there. If you want to push for it, find that thread that a standard for Volcanos was established that I made for OW, combine that with Genji's feat, and try to upgrade them to IIRC Low 7-B.

Sure, I can do that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Never argued he was superior to it, but he clearly has feats that put his physicals in the same ballpark.

Still ends with "Low 7-B, higher with Dragonblade", so...

In speed, sure, but if you have any Tracer feats where she is deflecting massive energy cannon blasts with her sword swings hard enough to make null titans stagger than I'd love to see it.

...Did... did we just not read the uprising comic...? Or listen to multiple interactions...? They spar regularly. IIRC he spars with Brigitte too.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Still ends with "Low 7-B, higher with Dragonblade", so...

Uh, 'higher with Dragonblade' means it's still in the same tier as Low-7B, which backs up what I was arguing. So thanks?

...Did... did we just not read the uprising comic...? Or listen to multiple interactions...? They spar regularly. IIRC he spars with Brigitte too.

Genji says Tracer is the only one he has trouble keeping up with, clearing referring to her speed, and he compliments Brigitte on how hard she hits. Sure, they spar, but these are blatantly friendly playful interactions and it's highly unlikely that disciplined restrained controlled Genji is going all out against his friends. Tracer and Genji are comparable in speed because we seem them moving in tandem together during combat. Brigitte will need a bit more direct evidence but I'm not against a possibly rating.

But if you want to go down the voice line avenue, we can circle back to the voice line where Genji is not at all worried about fighting Doomfist again.

Anyways, I'm tired. Find someone to argue with that perhaps doesn't look at current Overwatch and shakes their head in shame. I'm gonna go back to verses and characters with actually usually good writing, and if I feel like it tomorrow, I'll laugh at this convo and just not respond.

.....

 

[DaReaperMan]

Uh, 'higher with Dragonblade' means it's still in the same tier as Low-7B, which backs up what I was arguing. So thanks?

Never argued they couldn't be in the same tier, only that they are not in any way comparable

Genji says Tracer is the only one he has trouble keeping up with, clearing referring to her speed, and he compliments Brigitte on how hard she hits. Sure, they spar, but these are blatantly friendly playful interactions and it's highly unlikely that disciplined restrained controlled Genji is going all out against his friends.

Sure was willing to pull out the Dragonblade and throw shuriken at Tracer though.

But if you want to go down the voice line avenue, we can circle back to the voice line where Genji is not at all worried about fighting Doomfist again.

An interaction no longer in the game lol

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Never argued they couldn't be in the same tier, only that they are not in any way comparable

They would objectively be comparable if it was a 'Low 7-B, higher with Dragonblade' rating.

Sure was willing to pull out the Dragonblade and throw shuriken at Tracer though.

Do... do you think that every time he pulls out the Dragonblade katana he is ulting?

An interaction no longer in the game lol

Okay, then my point still stands, Tracer is only comparable to Genji in speed, and Brigitte will need more than a playful voice line to get direct scaling to Genji.

 

[DaReaperMan]

They would objectively be comparable if it was a 'Low 7-B, higher with Dragonblade' rating.

You can be in the same tier without being comparable. Comparable implies relativity, and there ain't none here.

Do... do you think that every time he pulls out the Dragonblade katana he is ulting?

A Katana is still a two-handed killing machine on an unarmored target like Tracer. So yeah, he can 1000% be serious in a spar, otherwise, he wouldn't be pulling out the same kind of weapon that practically KILLED HIM.

Okay, then my point still stands, Tracer is only comparable to Genji in speed,

Except oops, he can be in pain from her shots, and he's fully willing to bust out a damn sword for spars.

and Brigitte will need more than a playful voice line to get direct scaling to Genji.

And what puts Genji above everyone else?

Hmm? Oh, the feat? Damn, guess he could have AKTUALLY just soloed Retribution with no need of aid from anyone else! He's the stwongest and...

Do you see where this entire line of logic falls apart? There's hardly any difference between low-tiers and top-tiers here, it's the ******* who are featless and the ******* who do anything.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

moving on, the 5 megaton figure for the volcanic eruption that was given in that thread seems to be mostly consistent with what i've found, although brigitte saying it has the force of an 'eruption' may not inherently mean she is referring to specifically the eruption event and nothing else as the term 'eruption' is commonly used to describe the entire event of an eruption.

playing it safe with 5 megatons though

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

You can be in the same tier without being comparable. Comparable implies relativity, and there ain't none here.

Except we have explicit feats showing his physicals are in the same ballpark. Have we been here before? I think we've been here before.

A Katana is still a two-handed killing machine on an unarmored target like Tracer. So yeah, he can 1000% be serious in a spar, otherwise, he wouldn't be pulling out the same kind of weapon that practically KILLED HIM.

so you admit it wouldn't make sense for him to be trying to kill her?

also wtf kinda logic is 'oh he got killed by a katana so he will never use one again unless he's trying to kill someone or is being serious' like no, that's a contrived argument. genji used his katana to dice up fodder talon goons, he can use it in a casual spar given hes used shurikens to deal with goons like that no problem

Except oops, he can be in pain from her shots, and he's fully willing to bust out a damn sword for spars.

the ninja is using a sword in a spar? no way

And what puts Genji above everyone else?

feats

Hmm? Oh, the feat? Damn, guess he could have AKTUALLY just soloed Retribution with no need of aid from anyone else! He's the stwongest and...

do you want to actually engage in any of my arguments or do you want to shit out strawman after strawman?

Do you see where this entire line of logic falls apart?

No, given I've had to repeat myself on multiple occasions I don't think you actually grasp any of my points.

There's hardly any difference between low-tiers and top-tiers here, it's the ******* who are featless and the ******* who do anything.

yeah, and genji does shit

and for someone who thinks there is hardly any difference between top tiers and low tiers you sure seem dead set on barring genji from top tier with glue and popsicle stick mish-mash arguments

 

[DaReaperMan]

Except we have explicit feats showing his physicals are in the same ballpark. Have we been here before? I think we've been here before.

What's more impressive? Staggering someone by punching them in the face or lopping their hand off? There is a right and wrong answer here. "Comparable" when I say it means the two can trade blows without there being a major difference in strength, or they can gore eachother(See Reinhardt and OR-14s). Genji sure as shit ain't on the exact level of the sushi blade.

so you admit it wouldn't make sense for him to be trying to kill her?

Do you admit that a sword is a lethal weapon?

also wtf kinda logic is 'oh he got killed by a katana so he will never use one again unless he's trying to kill someone or is being serious' like no, that's a contrived argument. genji used his katana to dice up fodder talon goons, he can use it in a casual spar.

And you want to know what happened to those goons? THEY DIED. And they're wearing armor, Tracer wasn't. Either Tracer can take the hits(or Genji judged that she could, since he also threw shurikens at her) or Genji was done with her shit at that moment, since this was well before they were friends.

the ninja is using a sword in a spar? no way

Want to know what Ninjas actually would use in a spar? A Bokken/Bokuto or a Shinai. A wooden sword, in other words. Genji pulled out a real live lethal weapon on Tracer, spar or not, he was using force WAY beyond casual levels.

feats

do you want to actually engage in any of my arguments or do you want to shit out strawman after strawman?

I don't know, why do you think Genji is a top-tier when the only shit putting him on that level is something other characters can demonstratably survive? Keep in mind if they didn't, Low 7-B would hold no water and would be contradicted. So...

No, given I've had to repeat myself on multiple occasions I don't think you actually grasp any of my points.

You realize that "I'm repeating myself" is like 90% of debating right? You aren't some genius scholar and your word isn't always irrefutable truth. Half the fun of the hobby is there being opinions other than your own, and that there's almost always no 100% correct answer.

yeah, and genji does shit

Which is why he's currently 8-C, likely High 8-C. Because he's active in doing things.

and for someone who thinks there is hardly any difference between top tiers and low tiers you sure seem dead set on barring genji from top tier with glue and popsicle stick mish-mash arguments

Top-tier implies he's above basically everyone else. He ain't. Regular combat grade omnics can harm people comparable to him. For people not currently solidly High 8-C, there really isn't a scaling chain, everyone sort of scales to everyone in one way or another.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Gonna quickly add that Genji is in three of the main story mission things and can be harmed there, and that if we disregard the gameplay there you lose 8-C entirely lol

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

What's more impressive? Staggering someone by punching them in the face or lopping their hand off? There is a right and wrong answer here.

Not when that someone is a massive armored mech with a long ass cannon for an arm. Shitty false equivalences knee cap any point you could try to make purely out of it being built on a illogical premise

"Comparable" when I say it means the two can trade blows without there being a major difference in strength, or they can gore eachother(See Reinhardt and OR-14s). Genji sure as shit ain't on the exact level of the sushi blade.

Except we explicitly see him not use the Dragonblade to perform a feat comparable to him slicing the hand off. Is there a difference, sure, but it's not a major one.

Do you admit that a sword is a lethal weapon?

This is sophistry and you know it. Most shit can be a lethal weapon. Genji using his katana in a sparring match against Tracer does not at all prove he's being serious enough against her to justify her seriously scaling to his feats. She doesn't have anything else remotely approaching even Genji's Storm Rising or Doomfist animation stuff.

And you want to know what happened to those goons? THEY DIED. And they're wearing armor, Tracer wasn't. Either Tracer can take the hits(or Genji judged that she could, since he also threw shurikens at her) or Genji was done with her shit at that moment, since this was well before they were friends.

Tracer is above Talon goons. Cool. Also even if they 'weren't' friends, they were more or less co-workers, so its stupid for you to try and pretend Genji would've just tried killing her at any given moment.

Want to know what Ninjas actually would use in a spar? A Bokken/Bokuto or a Shinai. A wooden sword, in other words. Genji pulled out a real live lethal weapon on Tracer, spar or not, he was using force WAY beyond casual levels.

So Genji is exactly following irl ninja traditions? That's your argument. The ninja whose a cyborg with a spirit dragon blade isn't following exact ninja tradition? Like... what?

I don't know, why do you think Genji is a top-tier when the only shit putting him on that level is something other characters can demonstratably survive?

What can they survive or replicate? His reflection feat? Do you have evidence of that claim?

Keep in mind if they didn't, Low 7-B would hold no water and would be contradicted. So...

Why would Low 7-B hold no water and be contradicted if the entire cast didn't for some reason scale to damaging the Null Titan?

You realize that "I'm repeating myself" is like 90% of debating right? You aren't some genius scholar and your word isn't always irrefutable truth. Half the fun of the hobby is there being opinions other than your own, and that there's almost always no 100% correct answer.

This 'oh every opinion is valid' shit is hogwash, you are either actively grasping at straws, or just creating strawmen of my points. And after you so confidently announced you were done and that you were so above the discussion you wouldn't bother replying anymore, you've dialed all that up to eleven.

Which is why he's currently 8-C, likely High 8-C. Because he's active in doing things.

Well he has an argument for Low 7-B based off the deflecting Null Titan cannon shots feat.

Top-tier implies he's above basically everyone else. He ain't.

Top tier implies he's among the top heros of the verse. So no, not basically everyone else, I had clarified multiple times there are others who can scale to him. He's above most of the cast due to demonstrating feats far above baseline heros.

Regular combat grade omnics can harm people comparable to him.

Like who? Tracer? Who you have so definitely proved fully scales to his physical stats and not just his speed?

For people not currently solidly High 8-C, there really isn't a scaling chain, everyone sort of scales to everyone in one way or another.

Okay, well they can be in High 8-C if they aren't top tier or don't have any scaling to those characters, this isn't groundbreaking.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Gonna quickly add that Genji is in three of the main story mission things and can be harmed there, and that if we disregard the gameplay there you lose 8-C entirely lol

Damn so can Primal Rage Winston. Hell you could technically get killed by rando goon mobs so those basic mobs scale to Doomfist now.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

By the way its been like over half a page since he did the 'erm i'm tired you bore me go argue with someone else pleb i don't even like overwatch' thing.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Like someone correct me if I'm wrong but current top tier heros are Doomfist, Winston, Genji, Vendetta, and there is an arguement for Orisa. Ilari and Sigma are featless

Sigma is the strongest, Vendetta, Doomfist, Orisa, and Winston are at the top, Genji and Illari are near the bottom

 

[WeeklyBattles]

You realize he's got no reason to scale to his sushiblade, right?

Except, you know, deflecting the Titan's artillery with that blade hard enough to blow a hole in its armor

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Concession accepted that Genji is not as strong as his Dragonblade.

Genji has nothing saying he's stronger than everyone else, he's comparable to Tracer, who's comparable to all these other *****, and chainscaling goes from there. If you want to push for it, find that thread that a standard for Volcanos was established that I made for OW, combine that with Genji's feat, and try to upgrade them to IIRC Low 7-B.

Im already working on it, combined with the other dozen tier 7 feats they have now

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Never thought I'd say this but I'll leave this to you Weekly

 

[DaReaperMan]

Im already working on it, combined with the other dozen tier 7 feats they have now

Ya see, I don't trust you to actually do what you say you'll do. It's why I'm willing to suggest someone else do it, because they may actually be done by 2027

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Ya see, I don't trust you to actually do what you say you'll do. It's why I'm willing to suggest someone else do it, because they may actually be done by 2027

Neat. I dont recall asking for your opinion on the matter. Nor do i trust anyone else to do it properly.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

Dude when tf are they gonna fix Anran's face model?