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Sonic vs The Flash

"Sonic vs Flash but something is slightly off..."

Sonic holds more advantages here.
  • ~>160.62318 Quettatons vs 67.3225385459 Quettatons (At least a 2.38587527252x AP difference in Sonic's favor).
  • Outskills. Hard.
  • Type 1 Acausality prevents time travel shenanigans from affecting him.
  • Item Boxes give him a vast versatility advantage, with defensive options like Rings coming into play.

However, Flash has a thing or two:
  • Higher intellect (while Sonic is more skilled, Barry is smarter).
  • His Phasing to harm internal organs would probably be too much for Sonic to handle.
  • It would probably be massively OOC but he could utilize his Environmental Destruction? Though Sonic could tank this with Rings, funnily enough.

Classic Sonic probably skill-diffs him and wallops him to kingdom come.
 
ShakeResounding said:
His Phasing to harm internal organs would probably be too much for Sonic to handle.
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Shouldn't rings still redirect that damage? Also, Sonic can recover from being crushed flat like a pancake, so even if Barry squeezed his brain or heart, Sonic could recover
 
Causalist said:
Shouldn't rings still redirect that damage? Also, Sonic can recover from being crushed flat like a pancake, so even if Barry squeezed his brain or heart, Sonic could recover
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I keep forgetting the fact that Sonic does have a decent degree of Toon Force😅
 
Causalist said:
Shouldn't rings still redirect that damage? Also, Sonic can recover from being crushed flat like a pancake, so even if Barry squeezed his brain or heart, Sonic could recover
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That's what I thought, but I don't believe there's an actual consensus on how internal organ damage affects those with toon force flattening, as it technically isn't considered Regeneration; thus Sonic couldn't heal.

Fair on the Rings, though.
 
He doesn't have to heal any more than he already "heals" when crushed flat in-game. It's not that his heart would heal after Barry crushes it. It's that it wouldn't be damaged in the first place. With his toon force, it would just behave like a sponge or a stress ball. That's why the abillity is listed as elasticity on his profile. The best argument against Sonic's toon force countering the organ crush would be that it's probably too inconsistant or situational to be a passive abillity, and piercing damage would still work.
 
Causalist said:
He doesn't have to heal any more than he already "heals" when crushed flat in-game.
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This is REALLY funny, but also probably NLF.
Masked isn't an expert, but from what they've seen
Toon Force is kind of like Reactive Evolution, where it generally only applies to similar feats.

ShakeResounding said:
"Sonic vs Flash but something is slightly off..."

However, Flash has a thing or two:
  • It would probably be massively OOC but he could utilize his Environmental Destruction? Though Sonic could tank this with Rings, funnily enough.
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Masked has actually been curious about this for a while.
If Flash destroys "the fabric of everything", can't Sonic just restore it by running?
It's one of those strange interactions that Masked enjoys here on the wiki.

Also, could Sonic follow Barry into the Chronobowl?
Masked has no idea how that would work, besides being really confusing.

Anyway, Masked doesn't really have anything else to add that Shake hasn't already covered.
Masked will vote Sonic FRA, but mostly for the skill advantage and counters to Flash's abilities.
Having Item Boxes as Standard Equipment is a major boon.
 
Being "flattened" in game has been accepted to be toon force. It's not a regen feat unless otherwise stated.
 
MaskedDragon908 said:
This is REALLY funny, but also probably NLF.
Masked isn't an expert, but from what they've seen
Toon Force is kind of like Reactive Evolution, where it generally only applies to similar feats.
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If it's like reactive evolution, then Sonic's precedant of recovering from having his entire body crushed flat including his heart should be more than enough to prove he could recover if only his heart is crushed.
MaskedDragon908 said:
Masked has actually been curious about this for a while.
If Flash destroys "the fabric of everything", can't Sonic just restore it by running?
It's one of those strange interactions that Masked enjoys here on the wiki.

Also, could Sonic follow Barry into the Chronobowl?
Masked has no idea how that would work, besides being really confusing.

Anyway, Masked doesn't really have anything else to add that Shake hasn't already covered.
Masked will vote Sonic FRA, but mostly for the skill advantage and counters to Flash's abilities.
Having Item Boxes as Standard Equipment is a major boon.
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Sonic FRA. Regardless of whether or not Sonic can withstand attacks to his organs, he should be able to knock out Flash before it comes into play. Item boxes low-key make this unfair.
 
Causalist said:
onic's precedant of recovering from having his entire body crushed flat including his heart should be more than enough to prove he could recover if only his heart is crushed.
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Being flattened is just toon force. If it was real, it'd automatically warrant like high-mid. It's either that or this flattening (hello MK1 so it's bloody) which warrants low-high.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Being flattened is just toon force. If it was real, it'd automatically warrant like high-mid. It's either that or this flattening (hello MK1 so it's bloody) which warrants low-high.
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Why doesn't he have regen then?

Like I said. It's not regeneration if you were never really damaged in the first place. Is a sponge damaged from being squished? Like, maybe I'm wrong, but I think my logic is internally consistant.
 
Arkansalter2 said:
Being flattened is just toon force. If it was real, it'd automatically warrant like high-mid. It's either that or this flattening (hello MK1 so it's bloody) which warrants low-high.
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I mean... it wouldn't be regen as the body isn't being harmed to begin with, it is Toon force + Elasticity, so crushing his body doesn't harm him as he deforms to adjust to it

Also voting Sonic FRA
 
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