Let's put an end to this debate as it can finally be done. Vegito vs Kefla (AGAIN???)

[Omegas03]

DBS Anime Vegito (Zamasu arc) vs DBS Anime Kefla (ToP)

Not a stomp anymore, now Vegito Blue scales to 6U 2-C just like Kefla does. So this is fair game.

Both of them start in Base and can transform to their strongest keys obviously.

Vegito:
Kefla:
Failed Fusion SH Gotenks comes in and stomps both:

 

[Omegas03]

and before anyone comes in and says Kefla stomps, it may not even be the case anymore:

Zamasu was never on par with Vegito, even if at first glance he seemed to be; he powered up massively and couldn't do jack to Vegito despite what the first portion of the fight seemed to suggest. The Final KHH tank is questionable but ultimately an outlier IMO and right after Vegito was going to finish Zamasu with a punch if he didn't defuse anyway. An official toei timeline chart also stated Vegito overwhelmed Zamasu. So he scales far above him.

so Vegito is considerably stronger than Zamasu, on top of that he's the far better fighter and can also use Kaioken if really needed (and his fusion components are far stronger than Kefla's)

SSJ2 Kefla scales above 110 Omen, who in turn scales above Zamasu per fighting on Suppressed Jiren who has been stated to be far stronger than Zamasu.

Makes me think this fight is far more even than we initially thought it would be.

 

[Omegas03]

Bump

 

[Nonynho]

Zen'o >> Infinite Zamasu >= Bills >= Vegito Blue > Fused Zamasu

And Kefla is nowhere close to any god of destruction, or Jiren, or Toppo. Hell, i could even bet that 17 and 18 can defeat Kefla


Just no.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Hell, i could even bet that 17 and 18 can defeat Kefla

she can one-shot UI Goku wat?

 

[Nonynho]

she can one-shot UI Goku wat?

Tired UI Sign..?

Also remember that they're far more skilled and have infinite stamina

 

[Omegas03]

Zen'o >> Infinite Zamasu >= Bills >= Vegito Blue > Fused Zamasu

And Kefla is nowhere close to any god of destruction, or Jiren, or Toppo. Hell, i could even bet that 17 and 18 can defeat Kefla


Just no.

Vegito and Zamasu arent accepted to be Beerus tier per the profiles though.

Not just that, Kefla is NOT losing to 17+18. She was physically stronger than Omen 1/2 Goku to the point she could have one shotted said Goku, who also kept up with a suppressed Jiren (who was stated to be >Zamasu) who negged U7 Spirit Bomb.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Pretty sure SSJ1 Kefla is also just outright said to be as strong as the U7 Spirit Bomb too

 

[Omegas03]

Pretty sure SSJ1 Kefla is also just outright said to be as strong as the U7 Spirit Bomb too

Yep.

And as I've checked, SSJ1 Kefla is already scaled to 6 universes too which is odd. I thought the 6 universes scaling started at Omen 1 Goku not at the Spirit Bomb?

 

[CelestialVortex01]

bro's back

 

[Nonynho]

Bet, i'll assume that she's indeed in the same AP league y'all not gonna convince me about 17+18>Kefla but we can speak about it in another time

Kefla's shown to smack a tired Goku's ass, how is she doing anything, skillwise, to Goku x Vegeta?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Kefla's shown to smack a tired Goku's ass, how is she doing anything, skillwise, to Goku x Vegeta?

Punching harder.

 

[Nonynho]

Punching harder.

Hard to see that working on DB fellas by itself, specially against Vegito

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Hard to see that working on DB fellas by itself, specially against Vegito

Really all that matters in this fight is who's stronger, Vegito being more skilled won't matter if Kefla can just poof him with 1 attack lol
Unless the difference in power isn't that big, then Ig one could argue Vegito would poof before he could beat Kefla maybe

 

[Omegas03]

Both scale to the same thing afaik, nobody is getting one shotted

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Suppressed Jiren is already a fair bit stronger than Zamasu so do think Kefla has the upperhand.
Unless Vegito can use the Kaioken (Without instantly defusing), do think worst case scenario Kefla just outlasts him.

 

[Omegas03]

Suppressed Jiren is already a fair bit stronger than Zamasu so do think Kefla has the upperhand.
Unless Vegito can use the Kaioken (Without instantly defusing), do think worst case scenario Kefla just outlasts him.

Vegito also scales above Zamasu tho he dominated him the entire fight once the latter powered up

 

[Omegas03]

Would Kefla really outlast tho? How long does her SSJ2 + berserker at full last?

 

[Nonynho]

I'm pretty sure Kefla is not the one with an upper hand, since we're comparing to likely (Goku * Vegeta) * Blue multiplier

 

[Mickey1940]

SSJ2 Kefla = 1 Shot > UIO 2 Goku > UIO1 Goku = Heavily Suppressed Jiren > Infinite Zamasu > Fusion Zamasu
SSGSS Vegito > Fusion Zamasu

pretty sure Kefla would unironically just 1 shot here, she can 1 shot beings stronger than Vegito already. Skill doesn't really matter in this case when Kefla can cause extreme damage just by existing and flaring her aura, not to mention Kefla's battle intelligence isn't negligible in and of itself.

voting Kefla

 

[Mickey1940]

and before anyone comes in and says Kefla stomps, it may not even be the case anymore:

Zamasu was never on par with Vegito, even if at first glance he seemed to be; he powered up massively and couldn't do jack to Vegito despite what the first portion of the fight seemed to suggest. The Final KHH tank is questionable but ultimately an outlier IMO and right after Vegito was going to finish Zamasu with a punch if he didn't defuse anyway. An official toei timeline chart also stated Vegito overwhelmed Zamasu. So he scales far above him.

so Vegito is considerably stronger than Zamasu, on top of that he's the far better fighter and can also use Kaioken if really needed (and his fusion components are far stronger than Kefla's)

Kaioken would burn his already barely a minute timer to a few seconds and likely wouldn't even close the gap, and even if it does he just gets outlasted

SSJ2 Kefla scales above 110 Omen, who in turn scales above Zamasu per fighting on Suppressed Jiren who has been stated to be far stronger than Zamasu.

Makes me think this fight is far more even than we initially thought it would be.

SSJ2 Kefla scales above the SECOND omen Goku, who is already stronger than the first, and the first matched Jiren who was the strongest thing they ever felt and is stronger than the conflict between 3 GoDs fighting each other just by literally walking slowly, while Vegito on his profile is only on par with the conflict between 2 GoDs.

 

[LaserPrecision]

Saying Vegetto dwarfed Zamasu is dishonest. The two were clearly relative. Not only was Vegetto intentionally evading his attacks, Zamasu landed several blows, and in their clash Zamasu overpowered and gutted Vegetto hard enough to make him spit up. In fact, right after that he showcases slightly battle damage on his face. He also ate the Final Kamehameha. Vegetto merely had an advantage in speed, which he explicitly mentions. "Can't that body seeped in all your rage keep up with my body."

This would still be congruent with the statement of Vegetto overwhelming Zamasu, as his speed made him untouchable. But we aren't going to act like Zamasu wasn't tanking Vegetto's shit and say they are incomparable.

 

[Nonynho]

Something to note is that the Goku that Kefla one-shotted was not fine, my guy was tired af

 

[Mickey1940]

Something to note is that the Goku that Kefla one-shotted was not fine, my guy was tired af

UIO2 Goku despite being extremely fatigued is still strong enough to trounce his UIO1 self who is on par with Heavily Suppressed Jiren who surpasses anything Vegito can do

Fatigue straight up isn't a limiting factor in the ToP. Goku had no chance to rest besides Frieza giving him a bit of ki, and yet he broke his limits and got so many zenkais so many times that you can argue that he could've gotten THOUSANDS of times stronger over the course of the entire thing. Heck, after the Kefla fight, his SSGSS KKx20 is stated to be 6 Universes on this wiki, despite Goku being even MORE exhausted due to using UIO twice and receiving several injuries, meanwhile his fully energized full power before the Kefla fight in the same form is just 3 universes. He went from 3 to 6 despite being more tired. Make it make sense

 

[Nonynho]

Good point.

For honestly just cope, i'll wait and see if anything more arises for my man Vegito lol