AP of Flamethrowers

[Zaqui121212]

So I Noticed We Had The Flamethrower Page Scaled To 9-C (Street Level)
But I Believe It Should Be Upscaled To 9-A (Small Building Level) And Heres Why:

A Standard Flamethrower Fuel Load Contains Tens Of Megajoules Of Chemical Energy (Often 50–60 Megajoules Or More), Which Falls Directly Into The Small Building Level Range When Measured As Total Energy Potential Rather Than Immediate Destructive Force, Plus It Can Shoot All It’s Fuel In One Continuous Shot. So While It Cant Literally Destroy A Building, It Has Small Building Level Kinetic Energy. Thoughts?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Chemical energy alone =/= Joules of overpressure. Chemical energy is just the potential energy rather than KE, and it gets converted to KE little by little when burned. But even then, we also do not say withstanding Joules of raw thermal energy is quite on the same level as joules of overpressure. Otherwise, the average human would be 9-B because that's how much thermal energy being produced every time we urinate or defecate.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Flamethrowers don't work this way. Like, genuinely, they don't dump their tank and even when they do, the explosions are thermal in nature, thus netting far lower results.

Thermal Energy doesn't translate into joules well, so really it's just temperature rather than anything AP-related. And frankly I'd remove an AP rating entirely and just say that fire ignores durability to a limited extent.

 

[Jason_Courne]

A flame thrower does not expend it's entire fuel content, instead it only shoots out around .5 gallon or 1.9 liters worth of fuel per second

 

[Zaqui121212]

Flamethrowers don't work this way. Like, genuinely, they don't dump their tank and even when they do, the explosions are thermal in nature, thus netting far lower results.

Thermal Energy doesn't translate into joules well, so really it's just temperature rather than anything AP-related. And frankly I'd remove an AP rating entirely and just say that fire ignores durability to a limited extent.

I’m not saying flamethrowers literally destroy small buildings. I’m saying their total chemical energy output is Small Building level, even though their effective AP remains Street level, least we could do is put "9-C, 9-A Kinetic Energy" or something like that.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I’m not saying flamethrowers literally destroy small buildings. I’m saying their total chemical energy output is Small Building level, even though their effective AP remains Street level, least we could do is put "9-C, 9-A Kinetic Energy" or something like that.

And our total chemical energy as humans is 9-B, should we put 9-B KE for pissing for normal people? No, this is just... not how it works.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I’m not saying flamethrowers literally destroy small buildings. I’m saying their total chemical energy output is Small Building level, even though their effective AP remains Street level, least we could do is put "9-C, 9-A Kinetic Energy" or something like that.

Using Jason's math, the thermal energy output per second would be more like 9-B. Which is technically accurately mathematically. Though obviously when it comes to durability scaling; it's not even close to 9-B and is at most 9-C.

 

[Zaqui121212]

And our total chemical energy as humans is 9-B, should we put 9-B KE for pissing for normal people? No, this is just... not how it works.

trying to use reductio ad absurdum, analogy is buns because it mixes internal metabolic heat with externalized, directed energy output. These are not comparable in any physics framework or in the wikis own rules. I repeat, a flamethrowers destructive output is not small building, the kinetic energy still is.

 

[DaReaperMan]

trying to use reductio ad absurdum, analogy is buns because it mixes internal metabolic heat with externalized, directed energy output. These are not comparable in any physics framework or in the wikis own rules. I repeat, a flamethrowers destructive output is not small building, the kinetic energy still is.

Both are thermal energy and are being converted as such. Both can be converted into joules for hilariously inflated results. Both are unusable for actually tieirng a thing.

 

[Zaqui121212]

Both are thermal energy and are being converted as such. Both can be converted into joules for hilariously inflated results. Both are unusable for actually tieirng a thing.

Your lumping two totally different things together. Yes, both body heat and flamethrower combustion are "thermal energy" but that doesn’t make them comparable. One is internal, passive, and can’t do any work, the other is an external, directed fuel burn that actually gets released into the world. Saying they’re the same because they’re both heat is like saying a candle and a jet engine are the same because they’re both hot. And the "inflated joules" thing only applies to the pee example. the flamethrower’s fuel load really does contain tens of megajoules, that’s just chemistry, not inflation. The only reason neither is used for tiering is because VSBW has a rule against using thermal energy for AP unless it causes mechanical destruction. That’s fine, but it doesn’t make the comparison valid. I still think we should put “9-A Kinetic Energy" To The Page.