DEATH BATTLE! Accuracy Scale [Part 10, The more things change, the more they stay the same]

[BlackDarkness679]

If it's Schrodinger he can't die. If it's not he has 120K chances.

Does he ever use mind hax with a foe which can take more punishment? Or uses it on an average joe?

We see him use it to return from non-existence at the end, and earlier we saw Schrodinger use it several times.

So you mean to say schrodinger allows Alucard to still use his 3 million stacks of souls and usual powers despite the narrative he just cant come back unless just that one remains

Or is the manga saying something different on the matter, anybody else can say it, but you cant have both simultaneously if the story says it and shown it as such

They claim to use the characters at their maximum potential rather than a random point in their timeline.

If garou was to fight on death battle, should he have cosmic form despite being a power given by god? Thats his maximum, but he cant achieve it alone

 

[Random-Helper323]

Does he ever use mind hax with a foe which can take more punishment? Or uses it on an average joe?

Hellsing vampires have resistance. Dio doesn't.

So you mean to say schrodinger allows Alucard to still use his 3 million stacks of souls and usual powers despite the narrative he just cant come back unless just that one remains

That's a straw man and you know it. I never said that, I literally said he and Schrodinger both used the abilities of Schrodinger and we know how they work well enough to evaluate them.

As for abilities, he had no souls left at the end of his battle with Anderson and yet his physical abilities were still the same, and he still possessed illusion powers as shown by what he did with Luke. His soul stock doesn't dictate his physical abilities or even his powers.

Or is the manga saying something different on the matter, anybody else can say it, but you cant have both simultaneously if the story says it and shown it as such

You can't have both, but Schrodinger is later and more powerful. Schrodinger is the "maximum potential" here, given that form is more powerful.

If garou was to fight on death battle, should he have cosmic form despite being a power given by god? Thats his maximum, but he cant achieve it alone

I have no idea, I've never gotten that far into OPM. If it's borrowed power that's not really applicable here since Alucard permanently has Schrodinger as part of himself.

 

[Thunderman101]

Hellsing vampires have resistance. Dio doesn't.

That's a straw man and you know it. I never said that, I literally said he and Schrodinger both used the abilities of Schrodinger and we know how they work well enough to evaluate them.

As for abilities, he had no souls left at the end of his battle with Anderson and yet his physical abilities were still the same, and he still possessed illusion powers as shown by what he did with Luke. His soul stock doesn't dictate his physical abilities or even his powers.

You can't have both, but Schrodinger is later and more powerful. Schrodinger is the "maximum potential" here, given that form is more powerful.

I have no idea, I've never gotten that far into OPM. If it's borrowed power that's not really applicable here since Alucard permanently has Schrodinger as part of himself.

it was borrowed but was taken away when garou lost

 

[Random-Helper323]

it was borrowed but was taken away when garou lost

Thanks for the info. That's not really like Alucard.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

Hellsing vampires have resistance. Dio doesn't.

You said it beforehand too, but im asking, has Alucard done it to others? Especially mid fight?

As for abilities, he had no souls left at the end of his battle with Anderson and yet his physical abilities were still the same, and he still possessed illusion powers as shown by what he did with Luke. His soul stock doesn't dictate his physical abilities or even his powers.

You can't have both, but Schrodinger is later and more powerful. Schrodinger is the "maximum potential" here, given that form is more powerful.

Ok, but how you pull that in the fight? Even if the cat thing is more recent and his maximum, assuming that he starts with his usual set, how he goes from that to the cat in a fight, didnt he die on purpose to get inside Alucard other souls? Its not like Alucard could have him around to absorb abd immediately get in to continue

I have no idea, I've never gotten that far into OPM. If it's borrowed power that's not really applicable here since Alucard permanently has Schrodinger as part of himself.

More or less went over above

 

[Random-Helper323]

You said it beforehand too, but im asking, has Alucard done it to others? Especially mid fight?

He hypnotised a soldier during a fight. He has also used illusions as tricks during fights.

Ok, but how you pull that in the fight? Even if the cat thing is more recent and his maximum, assuming that he starts with his usual set, how he goes from that to the cat in a fight, didnt he die on purpose to get inside Alucard other souls? Its not like Alucard could have him around to absorb abd immediately get in to continue

Or they can just use his end of series self instead of his weaker mid series self. We don't need to transition from Pre to Post Schrodinger during the battle. We need them to not exclude Alucard's end of series state so Dio can win.

 

[BlackDarkness679]

He hypnotised a soldier during a fight. He has also used illusions as tricks during fights.

But on vampires he did? On others more in his league?

Or they can just use his end of series self instead of his weaker mid series self. We don't need to transition from Pre to Post Schrodinger during the battle. We need them to not exclude Alucard's end of series state so Dio can win.

And would Alucard even do the things he does normally pre cat?

 

[Random-Helper323]

But on vampires he did? On others more in his league?

Hellsing vampires have resistance. He actually does target Rip Van Winkle's mind mid fight too.

Even if he doesn't do it very often, he literally has all the time in the world to try it and find out that Dio has no resistance.

And would Alucard even do the things he does normally pre cat?

He would still take hits, he would still transform and attack, he would still have his gun, he'd be exactly the same except his soul army is replaced by Schrodinger's abilities.

Honestly, why are you scrounging for excuses not to use Schrodinger? So far I've heard that he needs to change from Pre to Post mid fight, that he needs to have all his souls for some reason, that he might not do some things anymore, and that the more well known version should be used rather than the end of series and strongest version.

 

[TMaakkonen]

I think problem was it was specified that the thousands of souls made it hard for Al to properly exist, hence why they cant be used together.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I think problem was it was specified that the thousands of souls made it hard for Al to properly exist, hence why they cant be used together.

True, but the only advantage the soul stock has over Schrodinger is an army that isn't much use against anyone stronger than any of his familiars, and meanwhile the advantage Schrodinger has is a regeneration that allows him to stonewall attackers far stronger than himself indefinitely instead of just 120K times.

Add in that Schrodinger Alucard is his "final form", and it seems like that should be the one used, if they're really using the characters' "maximum potential".

 

[TMaakkonen]

Hell, even with only one soul, doesn't Al retain a good normal regen? He can become mist, can a single punch truly obliterate him esp. if they are in same AP tier here?

 

[Random-Helper323]

Hell, even with only one soul, doesn't Al retain a good normal regen? He can become mist, can a single punch truly obliterate him esp. if they are in same AP tier here?

He retains all abilities except his summoning of familiars and his Low-Godly regeneration, which he has indefinitely with Schrodinger, only 120K times before that.

 

[Abysswalker2126]

If it's Schrodinger he can't die. If it's not he has 120K chances.

We see him use it to return from non-existence at the end, and earlier we saw Schrodinger use it several times.

They claim to use the characters at their maximum potential rather than a random point in their timeline.

That is and has been not the case for a while as they started picking versions of certain characters or cherry picking and compositing

In Thor vs Vegeta they used Base Thor with God Blast and explicitly left out Thor/Odinforce

In Thanos vs Darkseid

They used Infinity Gauntlet Thanos but didn’t give him The Cosmic Cube or the Astral Regulator nor Heart of The Universe

Iron Man vs Lex Luthor

Gave Tony Acess to Not only his base suit ATT but also his Hulkbuster And Endo-Sym

Iron Man vs Batman

Specifically Gave Batman His Hellbat suit unlike how they kept defaulting to his base stuff his past 3 matches and gave Iron Man the whole smorgasbord of Suits he had

Used base Lucario and Renemon and restricted both Mega Lucario and Champion and Mega forms for Renemon

Sora vs Pit

Didn’t give Sora Valour or Final Form

Bowser vs Ganon

Specifically used basic ***** Bowser from New Super Mario Bros DS that gets reduced to a skeleton when dying in lava and dying permanently when hitting the ground after falling off a bridge for the second time as an Anti-feat and not giving bowser anything from the Mario and Luigi Series of Games.


There’s a lot lot more but you get the point

 

[Abysswalker2126]

Does he ever use mind hax with a foe which can take more punishment? Or uses it on an average joe?

So you mean to say schrodinger allows Alucard to still use his 3 million stacks of souls and usual powers despite the narrative he just cant come back unless just that one remains

Or is the manga saying something different on the matter, anybody else can say it, but you cant have both simultaneously if the story says it and shown it as such

If garou was to fight on death battle, should he have cosmic form despite being a power given by god? Thats his maximum, but he cant achieve it alone

If depends on how DB is Feeling as they constantly contradict their no outside help and sometimes give or don’t give characters access to temporary/one off forms or abilities

Superman-Yes
Kakashi-Yes*(Given MS but not DMS they also gave him Purple Lightning from the New Era which he wouldn’t have if given The MS)
Sora-No (No Drive Forms)
Jiraiya-Yes (Access to Sage Mode which requires the help of Ma and Pa)
Thanos-Yes* (No Heart of The Universe nor Astral Regulator)
Wolverine-
Thor-No (Nothing besides base form)
The Flash-(No Chair)
Spawn-Yes*(It’s ambiguous in Spawn vs Kratos if they gave Spawn Divine Spawn scaling)
Iron Man-Yes(Given Mark-50 and everything on top of the Godbuster respectively)
War Machine-No(No satellite Suit)

 

[Eseseso]

Marvel's Omniversal Cosmology got upgraded to 1-A+, so Galactus vs Unicron is once again Right.

Unicron still stomps base Galactus even when he's well-fed, but Galactus has 1-A+ Cosmic Devouring, the 1-A+ Ultimate Nullifier, and the 1-A+ Lifebringer form (though I'm not sure if DB used that in their verdict)

 

[Tyranno223]

Marvel's Omniversal Cosmology got upgraded to 1-A+, so Galactus vs Unicron is once again Right.

Unicron still stomps base Galactus even when he's well-fed, but Galactus has 1-A+ Cosmic Devouring, the 1-A+ Ultimate Nullifier, and the 1-A+ Lifebringer form (though I'm not sure if DB used that in their verdict)

He also technically has the option of eating those special planets he chose to get to a stronger state than even Lifebringer but idk if that's feasible mid battle.

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

The thought of bro running from the fight to get a quick snack amuses me

 

[TMaakkonen]

Wait you guys didnt bump this for IchigoYusuke? Well I added that as RightDecent too lol

 

[Eseseso]

I think Hulk vs Godzilla might be accurate (even if the research on Godzilla wasn't great), given that Hulk resists absorption and Godzilla can't counter the concept hax of gamma.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

So where does this fall? Metal Sonic won and they used Toei Cell

 

[TMaakkonen]

Right, Good? Unless we dock points for some lowballing like Cell being faster ig, then Right, Decent?

 

[GlaceonGamez471]

Year 2025

1. Ichigo vs Yusuke | Seems fine, but they kept Ichigo's stats bit vague and lowballed. Right, Decent

Minor thing, but you got 2025 for the 2026 season

 

[TMaakkonen]

Hmm? Are you sure? I see it as 2026 :^)

 

[Unknownnah]

Raiden vs Excalibur | Reason: Excalibur pretty much one shots Raiden and is similar speed. Right, Good

Actually, Raiden is about 100x faster in base, and 1000x with amps. He has to kill Excal four times, but with the speed gap that's not really a big deal. Not to mention, Excal's profile states that EMP's are a weakness, and Raiden's are potent enough to turn a normal human into ash.

 

[Chariot190]

Hellsing vampires have resistance. Dio doesn't.

Uh yeah he does? You can argue incessantly all you want about matches that don't matter, but please don't state misinfo as if it were fact. Hell most dudes in JoJo has some semblance of resistance to that shit if we being real, profiles just old af.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Uh yeah he does? You can argue incessantly all you want about matches that don't matter, but please don't state misinfo as if it were fact. Hell most dudes in JoJo has some semblance of resistance to that shit if we being real, profiles just old af.

Don't be pointlessly rude, and don't imply people are lying like this.

 

[Chariot190]

Don't be pointlessly rude, and don't imply people are lying like this.

I did neither.
I'm just saying:
1. Don't spread misinfo, you can argue about trivial matches all you want, but don't state misinfo as objective fact if you don't actually know for sure, and
2. I never said you were lying, or even implied as such, you can still spread misinfo even if by accident.

 

[Random-Helper323]

I did neither.
I'm just saying:
1. Don't spread misinfo, you can argue about trivial matches all you want, but don't state misinfo as objective fact if you don't actually know for sure, and
2. I never said you were lying, or even implied as such, you can still spread misinfo even if by accident.

You targeted me over a months old post, you were needlessly rude, and you're talking about something that by your own admission isn't on the profiles. And yes, without context telling someone they're spreading misinformation and wording it as if they're doing it by choice as you did, you're implying, however loosely, that they're lying, and all this over something that isn't on the profiles or even approved.

So again, don't do it, and don't be needlessly rude about it.

 

[M3X_2.0]

Holy overreaction

 

[DaReaperMan]

I'm tired b0ss...

 

[Unknownnah]

 

[thezamn910]

Raiden vs Excalibur | Reason: Excalibur pretty much one shots Raiden and is similar speed. Right, Good

I honestly wanted to update this after finishing the verses Ap overhaul but I'll just get it done now.

I think the episode should honestly be rated Right, Bad since despite mentioning the Operator in the analysis they forget to mention that they can pop out of Excalibur at any time to provide support. Even without the soon to be removed 6-b rating excal would have a ~10x to ~32x Ap advantage, meaning if the Operator sneaks up on Raiden with their invisibilty/intangibity they could immobilize him with time manip or gravity manip and leave him open to a void beam to the head. Though i will admit this would happen after Excal gets dura-negged a few times lol.

Not to mention, Excal's profile states that EMP's are a weakness, and Raiden's are potent enough to turn a normal human into ash.

EMPs can only nullify Excal's abilities for few seconds and can be completely ignored with certain mods + he has 5000°C heat resistance.

 

[Da3ggman]

As an aside to the topic of whether it’s right or wrong, I think we can all agree that this is still one of the best deaths in DB history.

 

[Chariot190]

I honestly wanted to update this after finishing the verses Ap overhaul but I'll just get it done now.

I think the episode should honestly be rated Right, Bad since despite mentioning the Operator in the analysis they forget to mention that they can pop out of Excalibur at any time to provide support. Even without the soon to be removed 6-b rating excal would have a ~10x to ~32x Ap advantage,

AP was never the problem, they both one shot.

meaning if the Operator sneaks up on Raiden with their invisibilty/intangibity they could immobilize him with time manip or gravity manip and leave him open to a void beam to the head.

Impossible given the feats they both have.
Raiden has dozens of scanners, radars and his own super senses, he even has quantum radars that can detect everything from living things obviously, but even machines and ghosts, all built in, and multiple variants of it. Sneaking up on Raiden is basically impossible, it's also stated he can see through invisibility and it's useless on him. Also Psycho Mantis.

Gravity Manip only matters if it's above his LS.

Though i will admit this would happen after Excal gets dura-negged a few times lol.

Raiden can land tens of thousands of blows before he even reacts once, and he himself also has 5 revives, and he also has weapons that can completely circumvent even needing to neg him, like the bonk stick.

EMPs can only nullify Excal's abilities for few seconds and can be completely ignored with certain mods + he has 5000°C heat resistance.

Raiden has millions of degrees heat, and honestly that's the low end, and for EMP's they also have wacky heat, I was running numbers for his EMPs yestday based on the statements and even 0.1 second contact time would deliver over 200,000 degrees of heat to a standard body mass, obviously longer contact equals more heat transfer too.

 

[thezamn910]

Raiden has dozens of scanners, radars and his own super senses, he even has quantum radars that can detect everything from living things obviously, but even machines and ghosts, all built in, and multiple variants of it. Sneaking up on Raiden is basically impossible, it's also stated he can see through invisibility and it's useless on him.

The operators invis is dimensional travel based so idk if what you listed would cover them popping in and out of reality entirely.

Raiden can land tens of thousands of blows before he even reacts once, and he himself also has 5 revives, and he also has weapons that can completely circumvent even needing to neg him, like the bonk stick.

Thats mainly why i brought up time slow as way to mitigate the speed difference, also can his type 8 immortality cover complete disintegration?

Raiden has millions of degrees heat, and honestly that's the low end, and for EMP's they also have wacky heat, I was running numbers for his EMPs yestday based on the statements and even 0.1 second contact time would deliver over 200,000 degrees of heat to a standard body mass, obviously longer contact equals more heat transfer too.

Honestly i wasn't sure if the EMPs scaled to those temps so i was just putting it out their just in case lol.

 

[Chariot190]

The operators invis is dimensional travel based so idk if what you listed would cover them popping in and out of reality entirely.

Didn't even occur to me but given it can detect ghosts in MGS who literally also do that thinking on it, yeah probably. Not that it matters given he'd never get the chance to do that and playing the stealth game with Raiden is very much a losing battle.

Thats mainly why i brought up time slow as way to mitigate the speed difference,

Even with time slow, Raiden is still a vast amount quicker without amps. And this is all assuming Raiden doesn't absolutely slime him before he even think to even attempt to tag him with time manip.
Which then just gets mitigated by Raiden's own amps anyway as if nothing happened at all.

also can his type 8 immortality cover complete disintegration?

That is literally never going to hit him. And honest, he doesn't need to dodge either, Raiden resists quantum matter manip and all that funny stuff, deconstruction is the least of his concerns here. Disintegration hax is borderline useless, all it'd have behind it is the AP aspect at that point, and the actual AOE it has is most certainly not enough given he's stated to have better regen than Vamp and stuff.

Honestly i wasn't sure if the EMPs scaled to those temps so i was just putting it out their just in case lol.

Weaker EMPS can instantly reduce people to a pile of ash nigh-instantly, Raiden has multiple ways to deliver that type of electrical shock up close and at range.

 

[thezamn910]

So you'd agree to rate the episode wrong,bad, right?

 

[Chariot190]

So you'd agree to rate the episode wrong,bad, right?

Idk, unless there's secret feats I'm not aware of for Warframe like MFTL+ Excal or some shit, yeah ig.

 

[TMaakkonen]

Ummm, guess ExcaRaiden is Wrong, Bad then?

 

[Eseseso]

Ummm, guess ExcaRaiden is Wrong, Bad then?

Tbf Chariot put a bonkers amount of effort and research into that, but yeah.

Btw, Hulk resists Absorption and has the concept hax of gamma (even without magic which is being discussed in another thread), so it seems like he beats Godzilla.