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Pokemon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Top Tier Scaling

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Never thought I'd touch on this, but I may as well speak out on some issues I have with the ratings that will lead to them being upgraded in this pretty straightforward thread. After all, the PMD series is something I enjoyed playing since my elementary school years, so I may as well make the best of it and go straight to the rating quiz.

Higher Dimensional Before Primal
Currently, the Mystery Dungeon Explorers characters peak at Low 2-C through fighting off Primal Dialga. Except... what if I told you they were already much stronger than that even before fighting it?

Yeah, there's one point in the game where Team PokePals are able to contend with Mesprit and defeat it to the point where the latter is left too exhausted to fight any further. Later on, Grovyle proceeds to defeat Azelf with ease offscreen, with the latter being too exhausted to continue fighting. Keep in mind that all of this happens in the mid-game before the whole arc where Team PokePals get taken to the future and all that stuff. This isn't really much of an outlier either given the fact that the whole point of the game is that it's your typical RPG where you train by defeating enemies to level up and become stronger.

As such, anyone in the PMD Explorers cast who scales to Low 2-C should now scale to Low 1-C through Lake Trio scaling. Oh yeah, as a bonus...

YOOM... TAH! (Guildmaster Wigglytuff Upgrade)
Currently, Guildmaster Wigglytuff is ranked High 6-A through Regi Trio scaling. The thing is, however, is that he's able to contend with Team PokePals in a fight in the post-game alongside the rest of the Guild, which was quite literally after Team PokePals defeated Dialga several months prior, to which during those several months prior to fighting Wigglytuff and the rest of the Guild, they were undergoing vigorous training. The rest of the Guild, by that logic, should have also trained in those several months given how they were able to keep up with Team PokePals in that fight.

As such, in what's pretty much a blatant upgrade, Guildmaster Wigglytuff should pretty much be Low 1-C by virtue of keeping up with Team PokePals who have defeated Dialga and Mesprit as stated earlier.
 
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Tentatively, this seems reasonable to agree with, although I'll wait to see what others have to say.
 
As such, anyone in the PMD Explorers cast who scales to Low 2-C should now scale to Low 1-C through Lake Trio scaling. Oh yeah, as a bonus...
Question for someone new to PMD, are there any reasons that the Lake Trio in PMD are as powerful as the mainline ones?

Cause as far as I'm aware, Primal Dialga on this site isn't as powerful as actual Dialga. And yet we're saying that they scale to normal Dialga through Mespirit, despite Primal Dialga being the final boss (though that could be because it's outdated, idk)
 
Question for someone new to PMD, are there any reasons that the Lake Trio in PMD are as powerful as the mainline ones?

Cause as far as I'm aware, Primal Dialga on this site isn't as powerful as actual Dialga. And yet we're saying that they scale to normal Dialga through Mespirit, despite Primal Dialga being the final boss (though that could be because it's outdated, idk)
IIRC The reasoning for Primal Dialga's AP is straight up inherited from a statement from Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon (A mainline game), not to mention how Wigglytuff's current scaling scales him to the Regi Trio which includes all of their feats done throughout all Pokemon media. In all fairness, while Primal Dialga is weaker than its normal state, the exact degree is never stated, meaning it could very much still be Low 1-C but downscaling from its normal self to an unknown degree.
 
IIRC The reasoning for Primal Dialga's AP is straight up inherited from a statement from Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon (A mainline game), not to mention how Wigglytuff's current scaling scales him to the Regi Trio which includes all of their feats done throughout all Pokemon media. In all fairness, while Primal Dialga is weaker than its normal state, the exact degree is never stated, meaning it could very much still be Low 1-C but downscaling from its normal self to an unknown degree.
Huh, well alright then. Makes sense to me.
 
I'm not familiar with Mystery Dungeon. I'll agree with Imaginym to agree tentatively with this and see what others say.
 
We need to put the lake trio on fraud watch

Uhhh what random helper said
 
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I was referring to what you said about agreeing tentatively with this and seeing what others say

The lake trio portion was just something I added onto that as a joke
Ah, okay. I was concerned something I said had been misinterpreted.
 
You've 2 agreements so like, ain't that enough? It's a change in character scaling, not the verses scaling.
Just wanted to be sure since this was involving tier 1 scaling.

Anyhow, we have 3 staff votes, and given how this thread is already over 48 hours old, it can be applied now.
 
Tentatively, this seems reasonable to agree with, although I'll wait to see what others have to say.
Following up on this, this thread seems quite unanimously trusted, so it also has my approval.

It may or may not also be worthwhile to update the opening post with listing of approvals, disapprovals &/or neutrals.

Good luck, & sorry for any delay!
 
It was already applied before you commented, but that's good to know.

This can be closed since everything's already accepted and applied.
 
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