Tokyo Revengers: Removing Anime Feats

[KLOL506]

nc debunks, you stated not a single math issue, other than the explosion calc

Setting your condescending tone aside, there need not be a math issue for us to simply discard a calc. It could violate our calc standards without ever being mathematically wrong and that'd be grounds enough for us to reject it, however much you disagree with it. If you think that's wrong, by all means, change them with a Calc Group Thread (Though I should warn you, keep your expectations low because chances are those will get rejected with prejudice as well).

Nevermind the fact that your predecessor is infamous for some really, really sketch calcs, like calculating chair busting to be in the double digit megajoules teetering on the borders of 9-A (Which even with actual mass values to derive volumes from, would be an impossible task because chair legs aren't made of solid metal nor do they have remotely enough wood to compensate for, otherwise they'd be too heavy to even move around by normal people).

 

[LostLightt]

Setting your condescending tone aside, there need not be a math issue for us to simply discard a calc. It could violate our calc standards without ever being mathematically wrong and that'd be grounds enough for us to reject it, however much you disagree with it. If you think that's wrong, by all means, change them with a Calc Group Thread (Though I should warn you, keep your expectations low because chances are those will get rejected with prejudice as well).

Nevermind the fact that your predecessor is infamous for some really, really sketch calcs, like calculating chair busting to be in the double digit megajoules teetering on the borders of 9-A (Which even with actual mass values to derive volumes from, would be an impossible task because chair legs aren't made of solid metal nor do they have remotely enough wood to compensate for, otherwise they'd be too heavy to even move around by normal people).

first of all he aint my predecessor, second of all aint he literally become a staff member quicker than 90 percent of yalls team, including you? Iirc, he became staff quick as shit, I was talkin with him on cord when he was doing allat sockpuppet shi, so dont act like u can trick me brodie. Plus i dont think ur one to be talkin, u cant even comment on his threads cuz the math was too complex for ya, he made fun of u for talkin shi about him when u cant even calc urself, so honestly

I dont want u talking bad about my sensei! baka!

third, u still aint debunk the calcs, so nice one

 

[KLOL506]

With all due respect, sir, this isn't an anime, I'd suggest you stop talking like that immediately at once, and also, all of his threads were rejected not just by me, but by several other staff members (Multiple of them being admins) who deemed his methods less than adequate for the purposes of this wiki, not to mention his tone being condescending, dismissive and putting the blame on all of us for the worst of reasons.

u cant even comment on his threads cuz the math was too complex for ya, he made fun of u for talkin shi about him when u cant even calc urself, so honestly

No offense, but cut the crap. Calculating chair-busting to several double-digit megajoules and then masking it with ChatGPT paragraphs to make it look smart to show that it defeated me is not what I'd use to defend those calcs given the situation this verse is in. This kind of behavior is exactly why I've refrained engaging in these threads and those Vzearr made because I would not suck it up and mince my disagreements with nice words.

If this is your attempt at "ragebaiting", it is a poor one, and one I do not wish to encourage further. Hence, I will tag admins to settle this matter at once.

@Mr. Bambu @LephyrTheRevanchist @Planck69 @Qawsedf234

 

[LostLightt]

 

[KLOL506]

I see you are not willing to budge on this matter or your behavior.

Very well then. I'll just leave one last parting gift:

third, u still aint debunk the calcs, so nice one

Rules are rules. If they say it can't be done in this manner, then sadly yes, the calcs are indeed debunked. Neither of us are in any position to change that unless we were to make a CGM thread to change said rules, but like I said, good luck actually getting the threads passed without enormous staff opposition.

 

[KLOL506]

Anyway, unless someone can get more supporting feats for the throwing stuff that isn't reliant on merely tossing normal adult humans far and wide (And the metal pipe thing too, that is blatantly AP), and getting more proof with manga scans that the explosion really is as it seems, I'd consider those feats as good as discarded, and I would strongly suggest them being recalc'd using manga scans only if no 1:1 anime representations exist. The windshield one is obviously bunk since it uses glass values none of us here accepted and will not be accepting anytime soon (Because of how we figure out our material destruction values), and most of the speed calcs are more or less bunk because our rules on evading punches and canon already take care of most of it.

 

[Viott]

I dont want u talking bad about my sensei! baka!

Who is your sensei? Is it Vzearr?

 

[KLOL506]

Who is your sensei? Is it Vzearr?

Brother, don't. It ain't worth it.

 

[Qawsedf234]

If this is your attempt at "ragebaiting", it is a poor one, and one I do not wish to encourage further. Hence, I will tag admins to settle this matter at once.

Unless the chair was like vaporized, weirdly large, or made of steel, getting double-digit MegaJoules is unrealistic.

If you mean the dude throwing a church pew (which isn't a chari), the main issue is that like, he didn't punch it, but he threw it. The impact on the ground from the weight and throw caused it to collapse on itself, rather than someone punching it. The only thing scalable AP-wise is just throwing the object.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Unless the chair was like vaporized, weirdly large, or made of steel, getting double-digit MegaJoules is unrealistic.

If you mean the dude throwing a church pew (which isn't a chari), the main issue is that like, he didn't punch it, but he threw it. The impact on the ground from the weight and throw caused it to collapse on itself, rather than someone punching it. The only thing scalable AP-wise is just throwing the object.

He's talking about this, which IIRC was attempted to be used on the wiki in the dark ages

Takemichi Destroys A Chair

vapour-calculations.fandom.com

 

[Da3ggman]

He's talking about this, which IIRC was attempted to be used on the wiki in the dark ages

Takemichi Destroys A Chair

vapour-calculations.fandom.com

A classic up there with 84x amp kicks.

 

[Nierre]

I don't like argument for attempting to remove Baji's calc due to my reason in the previous thread, but I don't disagree with removing it either, it's not like it's gonna hold up anyways, unless maybe the new season gives clarity to some feats.

Can you link me the reasoning in the last thread?

Not sure about Taiju's feat of sending multiple goons flying. It's an expanded version of what the manga establishes, the manga doesn't show him punch those goons, but it also expands what is already implied, i. e, the narration that taiju's brutality is out of this world.
I'm 50/50 on this.

I agree with Morris on this one. The manga seems to imply that Taiju defeated multiple goons (the rest are on the ground) but we only see one actively getting sent flying on screen, the anime scene just shows us how he did it. so the anime scene is fine to use IMO, can't talk about the logic of the calcs themselves though.

I agree with removing everything else.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

Can you link me the reasoning in the last

Here

So basically, the other person argued that since the breaking of the windshield itself wasn't in the manga, then the feat isn't usable since the speed is derived from the glass fragments.

My counterargument is basically that, the windshield not being in the manga is irrelevant since, Baji's speed stays the same with or without the windshield being broken, unless you can prove it otherwise (you can't), the glass fragments just helps us to know the speed at which he attacks.

 

[Dalesean027]

My counterargument is basically that, the windshield not being in the manga is irrelevant since, Baji's speed stays the same with or without the windshield being broken, unless you can prove it otherwise (you can't), the glass fragments just helps us to know the speed at which he attacks.

its very relevant since its an entirely different presentation and manner of events there, one is a quick hit of guys in a single panel the other has him jumping around in slow time with glass fragments flying around creating a scene that is definitely not applicable here

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

its very relevant since its an entirely different presentation and manner of events there, one is a quick hit of guys in a single panel the other has him jumping around in slow time with glass fragments flying around creating a scene that is definitely not applicable here

The manga panel is compressed depiction, it condenses multiple actions into a single moment, so it’s summarizing the outcome, not showing every step Baji takes.
The anime doesn’t contradict that, it simply expands it by showing the sequence of hits. Same opponents, same result, same intent, just with the in-between steps visualized.

 

[Dalesean027]

The manga panel is compressed depiction, it condenses multiple actions into a single moment, so it’s summarizing the outcome, not showing every step Baji takes.
The anime doesn’t contradict that, it simply expands it by showing the sequence of hits. Same opponents, same result, same intent, just with the in-between steps visualized.

my guy in the manga Baji literally in one panel hits the guys around him while standing in one spot, doesn't even touch a windshield whilst having the entire presentation of the scene be completely different




we're not gonna say these are remotely similar when one has the dude jump in the middle of a few guys hitting them while being in spot whilst the other has him moving in some slow motion scene blitzing fragments of glass while statueing the dudes and jumping all around. Like the anime has him miss his first strike to set this scene up at that, the manga he just goes up and hits the dudes without any of those extra additions

 

[Nierre]

yeah dale makes sense here

 

[Lilybitdun]

Alright I went to remove the calcs agreed to be removed here from the verse page, Taiju's feats are still there due to Nierre's neutral vote on them

 

[KLOL506]

Unless the chair was like vaporized, weirdly large, or made of steel, getting double-digit MegaJoules is unrealistic.

If you mean the dude throwing a church pew (which isn't a chari), the main issue is that like, he didn't punch it, but he threw it. The impact on the ground from the weight and throw caused it to collapse on itself, rather than someone punching it. The only thing scalable AP-wise is just throwing the object.

It's just a dude throwing a normal chair.

Which Vzearr calc'd on his own in his own wiki, to add insult to injury.

Takemichi Destroys A Chair

vapour-calculations.fandom.com

 

[KLOL506]

So basically, the other person argued that since the breaking of the windshield itself wasn't in the manga, then the feat isn't usable since the speed is derived from the glass fragments.

Here another rule would be in play.

We don't allow speed feats to be calc'd off of items being in free-fall (Raindrops are obviously not included since they have IRL documented speeds of 9-10 m/s), which is why earlier drafts of the DBZ moon calc were rejected.

 

[Lilybitdun]

We don't allow speed feats to be calc'd off of items being in free-fall (Raindrops are obviously not included since they have IRL documented speeds of 9-10 m/s), which is why earlier drafts of the DBZ moon calc were rejected.

Wait really? Could you link the thread where that was decided, I'm curious

 

[KLOL506]

Wait really? Could you link the thread where that was decided, I'm curious

It was prolly so long ago that it might not even have made the forum move back in 2020.

Basically in the very old days when DBZ had a 5-B bust off of Piccolo, it was deemed that the falling rocks in question using freefall were unusable to figure out the timeframe for Piccolo's blast reaching the moon, let alone blowing it up to smithereens.

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

my guy in the manga Baji literally in one panel hits the guys around him while standing in one spot, doesn't even touch a windshield whilst having the entire presentation of the scene be completely different




we're not gonna say these are remotely similar when one has the dude jump in the middle of a few guys hitting them while being in spot whilst the other has him moving in some slow motion scene blitzing fragments of glass while statueing the dudes and jumping all around. Like the anime has him miss his first strike to set this scene up at that, the manga he just goes up and hits the dudes without any of those extra additions

Can't see the video due to restriction in my country but I can tell it's the same feat. I can see what you're saying.

Here another rule would be in play.

We don't allow speed feats to be calc'd off of items being in free-fall (Raindrops are obviously not included since they have IRL documented speeds of 9-10 m/s), which is why earlier drafts of the DBZ moon calc were rejected.

Alright, man.


Also out of curiosity, I wanna know if this feat would be viable then. Kakucho dashes and takes down toman captains with a single hit each, the scene is portrayed as a very fast speed feat. In the anime it's said that the sequence wasn't able to be seen, indicating a blitz, in the manga it doesn't say as such, but the feat plays out the same. Can the feat be used as a blitz feat?

Manga version
Anime version
(These aren't my links)

 

[Dalesean027]

Can't see the video due to restriction in my country but I can tell it's the same feat. I can see what you're saying.


Alright, man.


Also out of curiosity, I wanna know if this feat would be viable then. Kakucho dashes and takes down toman captains with a single hit each, the scene is portrayed as a very fast speed feat. In the anime it's said that the sequence wasn't able to be seen, indicating a blitz, in the manga it doesn't say as such, but the feat plays out the same. Can the feat be used as a blitz feat?

Manga version
Anime version
(These aren't my links)

my guy its not even perception let alone a reaction blitz, they still raise their arms in reaction to him even if they aren't 1:1 his speed they are relative enough to where they aren't like frozen or even too far off

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

my guy its not even perception let alone a reaction blitz, they still raise their arms in reaction to him even if they aren't 1:1 his speed they are relative enough to where they aren't like frozen or even too far off

I'm referring to what the random and hakkai said after the feat was done, look at the full anime version. I'm not talking about inui and Chifuyu reacting to him, they are above hakkai and randoms

 

[MorrisHatesYou]

This

 

[Dalesean027]

This

hmm that should be fine then, solid little subsonic feat around 100~150ish m/s if done right. Make sure you're using manga scans unless you absolutely have no other choice

 

[Lilybitdun]

Unless I'm missing something, I believe since this was applied it can be closed

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

Unless I'm missing something, I believe since this was applied it can be closed

 

[Dalesean027]

Looks like the speed values on the profiles themself need to still be adjusted accordingly to the removed calcs


Edit: Nvm seems thats being handled in a seperate CRT