MAKE ASMODAY STRONGER (GENSHIN IMPACT)

[MSahla]

Bumpp

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

oh yeah. about this nep, does this mean legit nep 2, or likely nep2?

I would say just NEP 1 for now

Maybe a proper expert could take a look, if you are willing to wait

 

[PedjaTarzan]

i mean some of the scans seem to be more
of title stuff rather than actual nep statement, i mean being called corridor of nothingness literally isnt enough for nep1

 

[MSahla]

i mean some of the scans seem to be more
of title stuff rather than actual nep statement, i mean being called corridor of nothingness literally isnt enough for nep1

Later after the title mentioned of how/what she is, which is formless, colorless, without thought, desire, or will.

Though, i'd be fine with just “possibly” for both types.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Not really. As far as I can see from the scan, if no higher dimensions are involved in the dimensional manipulation, then it doesn’t qualify. For example, a character capable of upgrading a 3D being into 4D or higher dimensions would qualify; the same goes for one who can downgrade a 4D (or much higher-dimensional) being into 3D. This does not apply to downgrading a 3D being into 2D or upgrading from 2D to 3D. So, in other words, those possible applications only apply if higher dimensions are involved.

Pretty sure it'd just be limited dimensional manip no?

 

[MSahla]

I would say just NEP 1 for now

Maybe a proper expert could take a look, if you are willing to wait

The type 2 should not be legit right now, and it's best to give it “possibly” since she resides beyond the Hall of Boundless Void which separated by Corridor of Nothingness (a space of bunch of layered void)
So the only one that get the nep2 is the Space she creater, which is the hall of neither being or non-being.

So, the justification are more or less would be like this:

Nonexistent Physiology (Natures Type 1 & possibly Type 2 [Aspect Type 3]; Asmoday is the Lord of Emptiness who is formless, colorless, without thought, desire, or will. She also resides in the "Hall of Neither Being or Non-Being” which serves as her residence along with the Watchers to oversee the Temple of Space. The “Hall of Neither Being and Non-Being” is place created by Asmoday. It is beyond the highest point of the Temple of Space, and separated by the Corridor of Nothingness from the Hall of Boundless Void.)

 

[sukuna171]

The type 2 should not be legit right now, and it's best to give it “possibly” since she resides beyond the Hall of Boundless Void which separated by Corridor of Nothingness (a space of bunch of layered void)
So the only one that get the nep2 is the Space she creater, which is the hall of neither being or non-being.

So, the justification are more or less would be like this:

Creating a nonexistent space, by itself, does not justify granting the creator any level of NEP

 

[MSahla]

Creating a nonexistent space, by itself, does not justify granting the creator any level of NEP

That's why i said possibly since that space is her residence.

 

[sukuna171]

That's why i said possibly since that space is her residence.

To me, that looks more like Non‑Physical Interaction paired with the creation of nonexistent spaces, not something that would qualify her for NEP.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The type 2 should not be legit right now, and it's best to give it “possibly” since she resides beyond the Hall of Boundless Void which separated by Corridor of Nothingness (a space of bunch of layered void)
So the only one that get the nep2 is the Space she creater, which is the hall of neither being or non-being.

So, the justification are more or less would be like this:

I don't agree with possibly either.

 

[Furina003]

I don't agree with possibly either.

Can you help tag some staff here, so that this crt can be completed, I think I still need 1 more staff vote so that this crt can be concluded

 

[Lort15]

Spoiler: Asmoday Ability

Dimensional Manipulation, Immersion, and Subjective Reality
Asmoday is capable of directly manipulating dimensions. For example, the Traveler, a three-dimensional being, can be transformed into a two-dimensional entity, allowing them to enter a two-dimensional world. Paimon explicitly refers to this phenomenon as dimensional manipulation. Additionally, this ability allows Asmoday to turn paintings into reality, or revert reality back into paintings.

Neutral on this

Causality Manipulation & Reality Warping
Melanta is able to alter reality by changing the contents of a book.
When the Traveler enters the world within the book and successfully changes its ending, the reality inside the Temple of Space returns to its original state. This demonstrates control over causality as well as a narrative-based structure of reality.

I guess RW is fine but this also seemed Plot Manipulation to me instead of Causality

Transmutation And Sand Manipulation
Several guardians within the Temple of Space demonstrate transmutation abilities, such as turning humans into sand and Dex can seize objects made from quicksand

if this scan is reliable, i agree

Deconstruction
show in here

seems weird but i guess this is fine, it acts like sealing/transmutation tho

Vector Manipulation
can see in here, here and here)

not much of an expert of Vector manipulation but looks fine from a glance, unless i'm missing some content

Telekinesis
Asmoday also has telekinetic abilities, shown through direct control over Cube without physical contact.

is this limited to those cubes? if so the telekinesis should be limited or mentioned as it is the part of her ability

Higher Void Manipulation & Possibility Logic Manipulation
Asmoday has the ability to weave reality and emptiness into one another.
The Temple of Space is a realm created by Asmoday, consisting of layered spaces of “nothingness.” (see in here). The deeper one goes, the closer they get to the “Palace of Existence that is neither being nor non-being.” This indicates that the structure of this space transcends the logic of existence and non-existence, existing between the two. Therefore, it qualifies as higher-level void manipulation (as the creator of such a space) and logic manipulation, as it violates the conventional system of existence and non-existence by existing in between.

Non-Existent Physiology (NEP) Type 1 – Likely Type 2 (Aspect 3)
Asmoday, as the Lord of Emptiness, does not possess a physical or mental form in the conventional sense.
Furthermore, she created a palace whose existence is “neither being nor non-being,” which serves as her domain within the Temple of Space. also explained when we want to go to the hall “neither being nor non-being", we have to pass through the corridor of nothingness . because this Space is what separates Hall of Emptiness from the hall “neither being nor non-being".
So, in short, the corridor of nothingness separates the reality in the Temple of Space from the space of the Watchers, meaning that this space truly exists between existence and non-existence. That's why they had to sacrifice their memories to become a ladder to heaven. From this explanation, we can conclude that the hall of "neither being nor non-being" has a condition that has beyond conventional nonexistence.
Based on this standard, the space can be categorized as NEP Type 2. Asmoday can fully operate within it because she is both its creator and ruler.

No comment on this, not an expert

Immunity to Empathic Manipulation
Asmoday lacks empathy, making her immune to any form of emotional or empathic manipulation.

This is more like lacking it with having no Social skills to me maybe a resistance but immunity is mehhh , lowkey disagree (hope it doesn't sound rude)

Immortality Type 5 (Shades)
All Shades possess Type 5 immortality as they transcend the life and death.
This is evidenced by the Temple of Space, which lacks the of life and death entirely. Therefore, entities within it cannot truly die in the conventional sense.

Neutral

Restoration
The Temple of space forbids evolution and innovation. Any form of change or development is passively reverted back to its original state. Melanta can also return everything to its original form

This is not restoration, restoration is ability to repair broken things, those bridges are not broken and the ability not really fixing it, it is just changing their place with telekinesis

Perception Manipulation
Nihilita Can Change a Person Perception of Time

seems fine

BFR
can move someone to the temple of space

i agree

Memory Manipulation.
If someone wants to leave the Temple of Space and go the mortal realm, all of their memories, everything they know, have to be erased or give it up. And that process was by meeting Asmoday in the past, but now it's Melanta, which is Asmoday's creation.

the ability is fine but I'm not sure how Asmoday is getting this, Creators doesn't exactly gain the ability of their creation by default because Creation is ability to create something without actually manipulating it and also read this

Creation
Asmoday is the creator of the Temple of Space. All entities such as Dex, Nihility, and Melancholy are creations of Asmoday.

seems ok

 

[Furina003]

I guess RW is fine but this also seemed Plot Manipulation to me instead of Causality

I also thought it was a plot manipulation, but I didn't include it because I was still really doubtful about it.

the ability is fine but I'm not sure how Asmoday is getting this, Creators doesn't exactly gain the ability of their creation by default because Creation is ability to create something without actually manipulating it and also read this

That has been explained in here, because basically they user asmoday power.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This is not restoration, restoration is ability to repair broken things, those bridges are not broken and the ability not really fixing it, it is just changing their place with telekinesis

She restores things back to their original form.

Temporal Restoration: It involves the ability to manipulate time or revert objects to a previous state. Users can rewind the effects of damage, effectively restoring objects to their undamaged condition. Temporal restoration can be used to reverse the flow of time on localized areas or specific objects, reverting them to a pristine state

While specifically about time, this example from the page shows that Restoration goes beyond just repairing things.

 

[Lort15]

She restores things back to their original form.

While specifically about time, this example from the page shows that Restoration goes beyond just repairing things.

i might lack knowledge about the verse but from the given scan i don't know if their moved place is the actual orginal place without further content it seems like telekinesis to me, do we have a statement about them confirming that it actually restores object/things to their original state?

 

[MSahla]

do we have a statement about them confirming that it actually restores object/things to their original state?

I mean, there's literally a thing called "Restoration Core" in the game and that's basically where the Restoration ability come from.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Restoration_Core#Tutorials

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

i might lack knowledge about the verse but from the given scan i don't know if their moved place is the actual orginal place without further content it seems like telekinesis to me, do we have a statement about them confirming that it actually restores object/things to their original state?

The last clip explicitly say they can even "reverse all the rules to their original form"

 

[MSahla]

These are things that got accepted so far, as far as i can see.

Dimensional Manipulation, Immersion, and Subjective Reality
Asmoday is capable of directly manipulating dimensions. For example, the Traveler, a three-dimensional being, can be transformed into a two-dimensional entity, allowing them to enter a two-dimensional world. Paimon explicitly refers to this phenomenon as dimensional manipulation. Additionally, this ability allows Asmoday to turn paintings into reality, or revert reality back into paintings.

Transmutation And Sand Manipulation
Several guardians within the Temple of Space demonstrate transmutation abilities, such as turning humans into sand and Dex can seize objects made from quicksand

Telekinesis
Asmoday also has telekinetic abilities, shown through direct control over Cube without physical contact.

Void Manipulation
Asmoday has the ability to weave reality and emptiness into one another.
The Temple of Space is a realm created by Asmoday, consisting of layered spaces of “nothingness.” (see in here). The deeper one goes, the closer they get to the “Palace of Existence that is neither being nor non-being.”

Non-Existent Physiology (NEP) Type 1 (Aspect 3)
Asmoday, as the Lord of Emptiness, does not possess a physical or mental form in the conventional sense.
Furthermore, she created a palace whose existence is “neither being nor non-being,” which serves as her domain within the Temple of Space. also explained when we want to go to the hall “neither being nor non-being", we have to pass through the corridor of nothingness . because this Space is what separates Hall of Emptiness from the hall “neither being nor non-being".

Immortality Type 5 (Shades)
All Shades possess Type 5 immortality as they transcend the life and death.
This is evidenced by the Temple of Space, which lacks the of life and death entirely. Therefore, entities within it cannot truly die in the conventional sense.

Restoration
The Temple of space forbids evolution and innovation. Any form of change or development is passively reverted back to its original state. Melanta can also return everything to its original form

BFR
can move someone to the temple of space

Memory Manipulation.
If someone wants to leave the Temple of Space and go the mortal realm, all of their memories, everything they know, have to be erased or give it up. And that process was by meeting Asmoday in the past, but now it's Melanta, which is Asmoday's creation.

Creation
Asmoday is the creator of the Temple of Space. All entities such as Dex, Nihility, and Melancholy are creations of Asmoday.

 

[Lort15]

The last clip explicitly say they can even "reverse all the rules to their original form"

Then it's fine i missed this one ig

 

[AyOgUyS]

Lephyr's arguments make sense to me

 

[Furina003]

Bump

 

[Planck69]

I'm in agreement with Lephyr's conclusions.

 

[Furina003]

I'm in agreement with Lephyr's conclusions.

Okay, thanks, I think this is done.

These are things that got accepted so far, as far as i can see.

I think these are the things that are accepted.

 

[MSahla]

These are things that got accepted so far, as far as i can see.

Then i'll apply what's accepted here.