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[StrymULTRA]

Dragon Ball: something about the infinite-sized universe and continuities

Introduction Hello ladies and gentleladies. I come here to bring in a major concern that always struck me from quite the time, but could never bring myself to do it for personal reasons until now. Dragon Ball by itself is easily one of the most controversial, if not the most controversial verse...

vsbattles.com

Sorry y'all for making this a staff thread, I can try to ask for perms for whoever wants to give a piece given how out of hand this can get.

 

[Robo432343]

yesss finally infinite sped

 

[StrymULTRA]

We are NOT gonna live in a world where Zangya blitzes the Grand Priest dawg

 

[Robo432343]

We are NOT gonna live in a world where Zangya blitzes the Grand Priest dawg

then downgrade infinite uni toei

 

[StrymULTRA]

That's what I don't want to happen lmao.

 

[StrymULTRA]

Dragon Ball: something about the infinite-sized universe and continuities

Introduction Hello ladies and gentleladies. I come here to bring in a major concern that always struck me from quite the time, but could never bring myself to do it for personal reasons until now. Dragon Ball by itself is easily one of the most controversial, if not the most controversial verse...

vsbattles.com

Sorry y'all for making this a staff thread, I can try to ask for perms for whoever wants to give a piece given how out of hand this can get.

Nvm I made it no longer in staff only. Please behave nicely y'all.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So if Bulma's statement the only thing that contradicts infinite uni db

Is it deadass only 1 statement holding it back

 

[StrymULTRA]

Is it deadass only 1 statement holding it back

Yes.

Now staff are apparently wanting to revert the worldview wtf.

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Salutations strym

 

[StrymULTRA]

big mistake creating option 3

I had to make that for trasparency sadly.

Salutations strym

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Dragon Ball: something about the infinite-sized universe and continuities

Introduction Hello ladies and gentleladies. I come here to bring in a major concern that always struck me from quite the time, but could never bring myself to do it for personal reasons until now. Dragon Ball by itself is easily one of the most controversial, if not the most controversial verse...

vsbattles.com

Sorry y'all for making this a staff thread, I can try to ask for perms for whoever wants to give a piece given how out of hand this can get.

It was a good attempt at least

 

[StrymULTRA]

It was a good attempt at least

Yeah... gotta love how the "usual ones" instantly agreed with the big downgrade option tho

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Yeah... gotta love how the "usual ones" instantly agreed with the big downgrade option tho

Atp it's not even Bulma anymore, it's just vibes.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Dragon Ball: something about the infinite-sized universe and continuities

Introduction Hello ladies and gentleladies. I come here to bring in a major concern that always struck me from quite the time, but could never bring myself to do it for personal reasons until now. Dragon Ball by itself is easily one of the most controversial, if not the most controversial verse...

vsbattles.com

Sorry y'all for making this a staff thread, I can try to ask for perms for whoever wants to give a piece given how out of hand this can get.

Turns out: it was indeed vibescaling.

 

[Saqphire]

For the record, Hades had already mentioned that contradictions that would arise from the shared worldview would be dismissed, including Toei having an inf universe and Manga having a finite one, so really that thread was just completely unnecessary

 

[StrymULTRA]

For the record, Hades had already mentioned that contradictions that would arise from the shared worldview would be dismissed, including Toei having an inf universe and Manga having a finite one, so really that thread was just completely unnecessary

The reason why the thread was made in the first place is to solve said contradiction however.

 

[supertomioka]

If we get infinite speed super would there really be anything left holding back arguments for immeasurable super characters?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

If we get infinite speed super would there really be anything left holding back arguments for immeasurable super characters?

Nah

 

[SwordLegendz01]

If we get infinite speed super would there really be anything left holding back arguments for immeasurable super characters?

I thought we had ToP with its 48 minutes time here, but actually ToP is Battle Royale, they don't keep fighting, even they can play around and enjoy the battle there

 

[StrymULTRA]

I thought we had ToP with its 48 minutes time here, but actually ToP is Battle Royale, they don't keep fighting, even they can play around and enjoy the battle there

If we use that, we can also use the same with the Metamor fusion time limit with Gogeta and Gotenks tbf

 

[Gp972]

I thought we had ToP with its 48 minutes time here, but actually ToP is Battle Royale, they don't keep fighting, even they can play around and enjoy the battle there

I would say that it is obviously not the time of the realm of nothingness but of mortals (or something like that)

 

[supertomioka]

I thought we had ToP with its 48 minutes time here, but actually ToP is Battle Royale, they don't keep fighting, even they can play around and enjoy the battle there

Isnt it just the "fights" individually they should care about not how long the entire tournament was ?? Thier reasoning would only work if they were all fighting at the same time for 48 minutes which we know isn't true.
I mean wasnt Jiren meditating for some time you mean they expect Jiren to meditate at immeasurable speed .
Even during thier fights they would stop moving at times I remember indexing the movement for Goku vs Jiren from episode 129 to 131 .
Episode 129 in the tournament of power the narrator stated at the start of this episode it was 2 minutes left and judging by the fact time wasn't elasped at episode 131 the whole fight was ≤2 minutes

3:16 to 4:35 (not moving)

4:35 to 7:53 ( moving)

7:53 to 9:56 (not moving )

9:56 to 10:17 (Jiren jumps)moving

10:17 to 10:40 N

10:40 to 11:19 M

11:19 to 11:28 episode intermission

11:28 to 11:43 N

11:43 to 17:19 M

17:19 to 19:14 N

19:14 to 19:27 M

19:27 to 19:47 N

19:47 to 20:35 M

20:35 to 21:20 N
Next episode 130
Episode starts at 02:33 = standing N
03:21 = Goku blitz jiren M
03:29 = Goku standing N
03:53 - jiren attacks M
04:28 - Goku standing N
04:35 - jiren attacks again M
05:43 - Goku defeats jiren N
08:58 fight starts with jiren power up M
09:09 - Goku stops jiren punch and both don't move N
09:19- jiren blasts goku M
Might be upscale but 10-19 - 10-40 N
Jiren explosion engulfs Goku and the explosion just has its effect
As jiren is stood still for this time
10:40 intermission
10:48 end Intermission
Continues dust clears from 10:48- 11:02 no movement N
11:02 - Goku launches an attack M
11;09 - Goku and jiren hold hands N
11-21 Goku kicks jiren M
11-40 Goku gets blasted to the ground N
13:39 jiren attacks goku M
15:10 Goku punches jiren and jiren crashes on a rock N
15:44 jiren attacks spectators M
16- 00 Goku saves his friends and lands on a rock N
16:30 - Goku charges at jiren M
17:40 Goku Kamehameha jiren to a rock N
21:20 episode ends
Episode 131
Episode starts 1:30 - no one moving N
02:15 android 17 and Frieza charge at jiren M
02:38 jiren and Frieza land N
03:02 jiren attacks frieza M
03:26 jiren and 18 stand still while 17 blows himself up M
03:44 they are all standing still N
06:06 jiren attacks M
06:41 Goku rescue N
08:37 Goku and Frieza vs jiren M
10:37 tournament ends

 

[supertomioka]

If we use that, we can also use the same with the Metamor fusion time limit with Gogeta and Gotenks tbf

What about instant transmission??

 

[StrymULTRA]

What about instant transmission??

Powerscalers when an infinity greater than baseline exists.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Isnt it just the "fights" individually they should care about not how long the entire tournament was ?? Thier reasoning would only work if they were all fighting at the same time for 48 minutes which we know isn't true.
I mean wasnt Jiren meditating for some time you mean they expect Jiren to meditate at immeasurable speed .
Even during thier fights they would stop moving at times I remember indexing the movement for Goku vs Jiren from episode 129 to 131 .
Episode 129 in the tournament of power the narrator stated at the start of this episode it was 2 minutes left and judging by the fact time wasn't elasped at episode 131 the whole fight was ≤2 minutes

3:16 to 4:35 (not moving)

4:35 to 7:53 ( moving)

7:53 to 9:56 (not moving )

9:56 to 10:17 (Jiren jumps)moving

10:17 to 10:40 N

10:40 to 11:19 M

11:19 to 11:28 episode intermission

11:28 to 11:43 N

11:43 to 17:19 M

17:19 to 19:14 N

19:14 to 19:27 M

19:27 to 19:47 N

19:47 to 20:35 M

20:35 to 21:20 N
Next episode 130
Episode starts at 02:33 = standing N
03:21 = Goku blitz jiren M
03:29 = Goku standing N
03:53 - jiren attacks M
04:28 - Goku standing N
04:35 - jiren attacks again M
05:43 - Goku defeats jiren N
08:58 fight starts with jiren power up M
09:09 - Goku stops jiren punch and both don't move N
09:19- jiren blasts goku M
Might be upscale but 10-19 - 10-40 N
Jiren explosion engulfs Goku and the explosion just has its effect
As jiren is stood still for this time
10:40 intermission
10:48 end Intermission
Continues dust clears from 10:48- 11:02 no movement N
11:02 - Goku launches an attack M
11;09 - Goku and jiren hold hands N
11-21 Goku kicks jiren M
11-40 Goku gets blasted to the ground N
13:39 jiren attacks goku M
15:10 Goku punches jiren and jiren crashes on a rock N
15:44 jiren attacks spectators M
16- 00 Goku saves his friends and lands on a rock N
16:30 - Goku charges at jiren M
17:40 Goku Kamehameha jiren to a rock N
21:20 episode ends
Episode 131
Episode starts 1:30 - no one moving N
02:15 android 17 and Frieza charge at jiren M
02:38 jiren and Frieza land N
03:02 jiren attacks frieza M
03:26 jiren and 18 stand still while 17 blows himself up M
03:44 they are all standing still N
06:06 jiren attacks M
06:41 Goku rescue N
08:37 Goku and Frieza vs jiren M
10:37 tournament ends

Grand Priest also never said that the fight between characters A vs B, where one of them was eliminated, took so many minutes (as happened in Record of Ragnarok), he only said that the time remaining at the end of the episode with the amount of activity carried out by each individual in the arena

 

[BlackeJan]

Why is characters scaling to them an issue? Explain.

Cause again, realistically, no one other than god tiers should be having Goku and Vegeta transform. With Vegeta training and Goku absorbing SSG, the base forms makes them even stronger that even made Beerus fight back a bit while holding back.

I also hate how the other z fighters get an immerse power up in ToP when realistically they shouldn't be that strong. The manga handles everything better except that dumb stamina issue

 

[Overvoid69]

Do we treat the solar flare as Lightspeed on the wiki?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

If we use that, we can also use the same with the Metamor fusion time limit with Gogeta and Gotenks tbf

Tbh, I don't like infinite speed Dragon Ball for that reason.

You can't seriously tell me that a DB character moves so fast no time pass yet they must hurry to end something before a certain amount of time pass while fighting at a faster pace than other characters with infinite speed. Hell, iirc some people used to argue on vs threads involving Toei Gogeta and Vegito that the fusion will not end anyway because their speed is infinite... completely contradicting canon.

 

[StekFence]

exactly. The entire point of putting a time limit just wouldn’t make any sense if they could complete the same amount of actions in 5 minutes as they could in 0 seconds.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Just like other characters, he claims to have infinite speed, taking blitz Mach 18 and the speed of light, but guess who can’t get infinite speed

 

[Huesito88]

Just like other characters, he claims to have infinite speed, blitz Mach 18 and the speed of light, but guess who can’t get infinite speed

exactly. The entire point of putting a time limit just wouldn’t make any sense if they could complete the same amount of actions in 5 minutes as they could in 0 seconds.

Stek Ruffy is going at it again

 

[Fezzih_007]

A narrative time limit is the reason Sonic and Megaman are getting downgrade off the infinite speed, so yeah Fusion is kinda of a Anti-feat.

 

[Huesito88]

A narrative time limit is the reason Sonic and Megaman are getting downgrade off the infinite speed, so yeah Fusion is kinda of an Anti-feat.

I mean it also depends on how many feats like Sonic and Megaman didn't seem like they had that many feats (Atleast at a glance). Like Dragon Ball Heroes aren't going to be downgraded due to how many they have.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

A narrative time limit is the reason Sonic and Megaman are getting downgrade off the infinite speed, so yeah Fusion is kinda of a Anti-feat.

Wow, even Sonic is getting downgraded?

 

[Huesito88]

Wow, even Sonic is getting downgraded?

He was however only for the key with the big antifeat while the other key where he was stronger and had another feat for his rating ment he kept it atleast in that era, while the other era got downgraded.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

He was however only for the key with the big antifeat while the other key where he was stronger and had another feat for his rating ment he kept it atleast in that era, while the other era got downgraded.

So, does that mean if there are other inconsistencies regarding infinite speed, characters like that could be downgraded?

Blimey, Sonic should be practically just like The Flash, crossing timelines with his sheer speed (I’m not sure if that still works)

 

[Huesito88]

So, does that mean if there are other inconsistencies regarding infinite speed, characters like that could be downgraded?

Yes it can Ruffy, but like I mentioned DBH has anti-feats too, but won't be downgraded because it's got a lot of feats backing up there rating.

 

[TiltedFN]

Cause again, realistically, no one other than god tiers should be having Goku and Vegeta transform. With Vegeta training and Goku absorbing SSG, the base forms makes them even stronger that even made Beerus fight back a bit while holding back.

I also hate how the other z fighters get an immerse power up in ToP when realistically they shouldn't be that strong. The manga handles everything better except that dumb stamina issue

I'm asking why. What's the issue with that?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I'm asking why. What's the issue with that?

It does hurt the suspension of disbelief when say Krillin somehow goes from nowhere near even Gero to stomping SSJ3 Vegito just cause he trained for like a week

 

[TiltedFN]

It does hurt the suspension of disbelief when say Krillin somehow goes from nowhere near even Gero to stomping SSJ3 Vegito just cause he trained for like a week

What about the other universes? Why can nobody be worthy of making Goku and Vegeta transform besides the "God tiers"? Who are the God tiers in this case? Beerus? Angels?

And about the Z-fighters, sure powercliffing exist, but that's a "problem" for shonen in general. Like, you aren't gonna see Krillin make Goku go God form or something, or tien. And especially not Yamcha. Even base humans back in Z are stronger than like Mecha Frieza by the time of the time skip in the Android Saga? Would you hold them under the same scrutiny? What about Krillin nearly being able to kill Nappa, Frieza, and maybe even Vegeta with a Kienzen? Krillin being stronger than Raditz? The other Z-fighters? Why is this such a problem with characters getting stronger when an overarching theme of Dragon Ball is self-improvement? What is "realistically" supposed to mean here?