RWBY CRT: Neopolitan ability additions

[MysticBrawler]

Since Neoplitan can copy the Dust/Elemental abilities of whoever/whatever she duplicates then she should also have access to these abilities:

• Magnetism Manipulation, Flight, Weather Manipulation, Air Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Weapon Creation Vector Manipulation, Limited Time Manipulation, Elemental(Dust)) Manipulation, Gravity Manipulation, Homing Attack, Summoning, Status Effect Inducement - she made a clone of Weiss Schnee, and a clone of Penny Polendina . She 's also shown to make a a copy of Leonardo's Stalwart which has 8 different types of dust in it.

She should also have Subjective Reality for her Everafter since her Semblance has evolved and can now make "real illusions"(i.e. illusions that have the same physical properties as the real thing)

 

[MysticBrawler]

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[MysticBrawler]

This is not a bump.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean I guess? Do we absolutely know for certain she can use these though?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

agree

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

This makes sense to me

 

[SilentLyfe]

I guess I could see this. However, remove magic from the list as it is her Semblance imitating these abilities, not magic.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Was going to do this myself but seems someone beat me to it. agree

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Now that I think about it, if we're giving her a clone of Penny with Maiden powers then why not just slap a Low 7-B rating on her as well with Penny Clones?

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Now that I think about it, if we're giving her a clone of Penny with Maiden powers then why not just slap a Low 7-B rating on her as well with Penny Clones?

Because that would make the atlas arc cast low 7-B again and people won't like it

 

[Jinx666]

I mean i dont recall her clones being able to use their semblances? Its not impossible but i'd put a 'Possibly' in front of all of those semblance-copied abilities since we really dont know.

If she hasn't really shown to utilise those sorts of abilities with the clones she makes, even if she could replicate them somehow then its probs not worth being so sure. She manually takes control of her clones, its not like she can copy any of the fighter's actual minds or abilities (just replicate them super well ig?)

Also theres 0 chance shes able to copy Maiden Powers

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I mean i dont recall her clones being able to use their semblances? Its not impossible but i'd put a 'Possibly' in front of all of those semblance-copied abilities since we really dont know.

If she hasn't really shown to utilise those sorts of abilities with the clones she makes, even if she could replicate them somehow then its probs not worth being so sure. She manually takes control of her clones, its not like she can copy any of the fighter's actual minds or abilities (just replicate them super well ig?)

Also theres 0 chance shes able to copy Maiden Powers

They were shown to use them in volume 9 yeah, same with the jabberwalker being shown to have existence erasure via consumption

The novel.doubles down on this too

 

[Jinx666]

They were shown to use them in volume 9 yeah, same with the jabberwalker being shown to have existence erasure via consumption

Where? I rewatched and i don't see anything of the sort. Just dust attacks at most.

Jabberwalker's ability is different to a semblance as well but thats the only reason i think we can add a possibly to it. We don't want to list a bunch of powers and abilities we for sure dont know whether Neo can even utilise.

Novel took place before Neo's awakening/upgrade so idk what you're referring to here

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Will respond fully in a bit but Neo's powers should genuinely be switched from 'illusion creation' to reality warping or subjective reality, every medium treats them as fully real things spawned from her imagination, not just illusions

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Where? I rewatched and i don't see anything of the sort. Just dust attacks at most.

Was referring to the maiden stuff, where she replicated penny's ability to make swords with earth manip

Jabberwalker's ability is different to a semblance as well but thats the only reason i think we can add a possibly to it. We don't want to list a bunch of powers and abilities we for sure dont know whether Neo can even utilise.

I mean she's kinda just shown to use them

Novel took place before Neo's awakening/upgrade so idk what you're referring to here

Yes, she has had the ability to do all of this before her awakening as per the stuff in the novel

 

[Jinx666]

Was referring to the maiden stuff, where she replicated penny's ability to make swords with earth manip

Copying the look of the swords through her illusions =/= having the actual ability. Shes clearly just replicating/simulating it (writing wise she shouldnt even know about how Penny died or her new maiden-conjured weapons but alas).

Imean she's kinda just shown to use them

She...hasnt. The example you provided was in regards to Penny's maiden-conjured swords (no actual semblance showings), and even then shes just copying the LOOK of the weapons. Theyre all just conjurings, not literal maiden powers nor anything to say theyre comparable in strength. Still nothing to say she knows how to use or utilise semblances given to her either (and affect things she hasnt conjured via illusions, like using Pyrrha's polarity to move metal that isnt created by her for example)

Yes, she has had the ability to do all of this before her awakening as per the stuff in the novel

Where? What semblance or other ability did she copy using her Semblance in the novel? The show very clearly shows that her semblance upgrades to this level while in the Ever After.
V9 commentary stated as well that the Ever After heavily influenced the power of Neo's semblance evolution due to it being the Gods experimental area.

Will respond fully in a bit but Neo's powers should genuinely be switched from 'illusion creation' to reality warping or subjective reality, every medium treats them as fully real things spawned from her imagination, not just illusions

She definitely does however this only extends to being within her reality itself. She doesnt affect real reality, but can instead conjure and manifest her own structures and clones. Its like giving illusions a mass amongst the other things she can do, but they're still completely reliant on her power and dont have any permanent stay in the world (they stay for as long as she can manage to maintain them)
Its obviously strong but I wouldnt say she can literally warp reality using it, and she hasn't ever shown to utilise a copied semblance, only being able to copy the Jabberwockers innate ability to negate resurrection. Which is the only reason why this can all be considered a 'possibly'. I still wouldn;t give ehr a list of abilities she has never fully shown to use or arent part of a standard abilities-list for accuracys sake.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Copying the look of the swords through her illusions =/= having the actual ability. Shes clearly just replicating/simulating it (writing wise she shouldnt even know about how Penny died or her new maiden-conjured weapons but alas).

Even if we go with the assumption that she's just replicating/simulating the abilities the fact is none of the abilities of those she made duplicates of are really particularly complicated in terms of how they function, so it should be easy for her to mimic them with her own Semblance.

She...hasnt. The example you provided was in regards to Penny's maiden-conjured swords (no actual semblance showings), and even then shes just copying the LOOK of the weapons. Theyre all just conjurings, not literal maiden powers nor anything to say theyre comparable in strength. Still nothing to say she knows how to use or utilise semblances given to her either (and affect things she hasnt conjured via illusions, like using Pyrrha's polarity to move metal that isnt created by her for example)

Where? What semblance or other ability did she copy using her Semblance in the novel? The show very clearly shows that her semblance upgrades to this level while in the Ever After.
V9 commentary stated as well that the Ever After heavily influenced the power of Neo's semblance evolution due to it being the Gods experimental area.

She definitely does however this only extends to being within her reality itself. She doesnt affect real reality, but can instead conjure and manifest her own structures and clones. Its like giving illusions a mass amongst the other things she can do, but they're still completely reliant on her power and dont have any permanent stay in the world (they stay for as long as she can manage to maintain them)
Its obviously strong but I wouldnt say she can literally warp reality using it, and she hasn't ever shown to utilise a copied semblance, only being able to copy the Jabberwockers innate ability to negate resurrection. Which is the only reason why this can all be considered a 'possibly'. I still wouldn;t give ehr a list of abilities she has never fully shown to use or arent part of a standard abilities-list for accuracys sake.

Neopolitan is shown to be capable of copying Dust as her copy of Leo can shoot fireballs as seen here, and we know that you need Aura to activate Dust so there is some precedent for her being able to copy their Semblances.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Even if we go with the assumption that she's just replicating/simulating the abilities the fact is none of the abilities of those she made duplicates of are really particularly complicated in terms of how they function, so it should be easy for her to mimic them with her own Semblance.

Neopolitan is shown to be capable of copying Dust as her copy of Leo can shoot fireballs as seen here, and we know that you need Aura to activate Dust so there is some precedent for her being able to copy their Semblances.

She doesnt copy semblances but she does copy weapons and Dust attacks

 

[MysticBrawler]

She doesnt copy semblances but she does copy weapons and Dust attacks

I'm not saying she literally can I'm saying that she can make it look like she can. Like take Weiss for example, since Neopolitan was shown to be capable of making copies of the Jabberwalker then that would in turn mean that she can simulate the former's ability to summon Grimm. Or how since she's shown to be capable of replicating the fire and earth dust/elements, then that would mean that she's very likely capable of doing so for water and lightning as well, which in turn would allow her to simulate Penny's elemental magic or Pyrrah's Magnetism etc, etc. Which to me would be pretty much indistinguishable from directly copying their Semblances. So overall even assuming that she's limited to copying weapons and dust I'd say she's more than capable of replicating their abilities using the different combinations of dust that she would have access to.

 

[MysticBrawler]

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[MysticBrawler]

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[Jinx666]

Even if we go with the assumption that she's just replicating/simulating the abilities the fact is none of the abilities of those she made duplicates of are really particularly complicated in terms of how they function, so it should be easy for her to mimic them with her own Semblance.

Well no because then thats assuming she just gets to be able to use semblances for free. Semblances in themself are unique abilities formed by the individual and require training, can evolve etc. Someone like Pyrrha is extremely precise and skilled with her semblance to the point shes pretty much able to hide that she has the ability in any casual setting.
The complexity of the semblance doesnt relate to whether Neo can literally copy it and its properties. (other than just making the rest of her illusions 'look' as if she can copy it) It only relates to if she would be able to utilise it well with skill. But if she hasnt shown to use them in the first place then...

Neopolitan is shown to be capable of copying Dust as her copy of Leo can shoot fireballs as seen here, and we know that you need Aura to activate Dust so there is some precedent for her being able to copy their Semblances.

Dust =/= Semblances. Just because you can make illusions that merely look like dust projectiles again, doesnt mean its literal dust. If there was a showing that Neo could perhaps simulate things like temperature-attacks, or the effects of other elemental abilities then maybe but otherwise shes just really good at copying people's weapons, fighting styles and generally physical aspects. The only thing excluding this is the Jabberwocker's resurrection negation, which is more of a passive trait of a magic entity but ofc the show makes it a point that semblances and magic are different.

Overall I dont think we need a list of all the 'possible' semblances Neo can use just through who she can make illusionary copies of, and instead possibly write a note that explains the possibility. Something like:
"Due to Neo being shown to copy the Jabberwocker's ability to negate resurrection (within the Ever After), it is possible that she is also able to copy other abilities such as a person's semblance. This is however unconfirmed and there are no examples of her copying the semblances of those she replicates."
Otherwise i dont think we should give her a free list of abilities shes never shown to utilise.

Heck maybe she could get something like Photographic Memory given she can remember everything like people and their weapons with her semblance, but even then thats just riddled with plot holes cause Neo should lwk not know about characters like Lionheart, Clover or even what happened to Penny. (the whole scene with ruby in itself, while cool, kinda plays out like some trauma fanfic )

 

[MysticBrawler]

Well no because then thats assuming she just gets to be able to use semblances for free. Semblances in themself are unique abilities formed by the individual and require training, can evolve etc. Someone like Pyrrha is extremely precise and skilled with her semblance to the point shes pretty much able to hide that she has the ability in any casual setting.
The complexity of the semblance doesnt relate to whether Neo can literally copy it and its properties. (other than just making the rest of her illusions 'look' as if she can copy it) It only relates to if she would be able to utilise it well with skill. But if she hasnt shown to use them in the first place then...

Dust =/= Semblances. Just because you can make illusions that merely look like dust projectiles again, doesnt mean its literal dust. If there was a showing that Neo could perhaps simulate things like temperature-attacks, or the effects of other elemental abilities then maybe but otherwise shes just really good at copying people's weapons, fighting styles and generally physical aspects. The only thing excluding this is the Jabberwocker's resurrection negation, which is more of a passive trait of a magic entity but ofc the show makes it a point that semblances and magic are different.

Overall I dont think we need a list of all the 'possible' semblances Neo can use just through who she can make illusionary copies of, and instead possibly write a note that explains the possibility. Something like:
"Due to Neo being shown to copy the Jabberwocker's ability to negate resurrection (within the Ever After), it is possible that she is also able to copy other abilities such as a person's semblance. This is however unconfirmed and there are no examples of her copying the semblances of those she replicates."
Otherwise i dont think we should give her a free list of abilities shes never shown to utilise.

Heck maybe she could get something like Photographic Memory given she can remember everything like people and their weapons with her semblance, but even then thats just riddled with plot holes cause Neo should lwk not know about characters like Lionheart, Clover or even what happened to Penny. (the whole scene with ruby in itself, while cool, kinda plays out like some trauma fanfic )

Okay fine, let's go with the notion that she wouldn't be able to copy Semblances and is limited to copying Dust. Even with that being the case she should still have access to Air Manipulations, Water Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation, Gas Manipulation, and Statistics Amplification. This is based on the fact that she remade Leonardo's Stalwart which would access to Wind, Water, Fire, Lightning, Earth, Ice, Gravity, Combustion Dust as seen here:

 

[MysticBrawler]

Bump

 

[Plasmaman33]

As a Neo fanboy, I agree

I agree that Neo can copy Dust and probably Aura, but not that she can copy Semblance, I think this is beyond what she can do (in any case, copying Semblance should be a "probably")

 

[MysticBrawler]

As a Neo fanboy, I agree

I agree that Neo can copy Dust and probably Aura, but not that she can copy Semblance, I think this is beyond what she can do (in any case, copying Semblance should be a "probably")

Okay fine, let's go with the notion that she wouldn't be able to copy Semblances and is limited to copying Dust. Even with that being the case she should still have access to Air Manipulations, Water Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation, Gas Manipulation, and Statistics Amplification. This is based on the fact that she remade Leonardo's Stalwart which would access to Wind, Water, Fire, Lightning, Earth, Ice, Gravity, Combustion Dust as seen here:

She'd still have most of the abilities listed even if we assume that she can't copy Semblances.

 

[Jinx666]

Okay fine, let's go with the notion that she wouldn't be able to copy Semblances and is limited to copying Dust. Even with that being the case she should still have access to Air Manipulations, Water Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Weather Manipulation, Earth Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Magnetism Manipulation, Gas Manipulation, and Statistics Amplification. This is based on the fact that she remade Leonardo's Stalwart which would access to Wind, Water, Fire, Lightning, Earth, Ice, Gravity, Combustion Dust as seen here:

I mean i thought i also just said that she can only 'replicate' dust, and theres no proof the dust is actually real or can actually invoke those effects.
Neo's abilities are still illusionary in that she creates and forms them, but that doesnt necessarily mean she can copy the elemental aspects of dust

We dont need to spam a bunch of abilities on her profile she hasn't shown to be able to use. When she proves it, then maybe, but i dont think thats happening.

 

[MysticBrawler]

I mean i thought i also just said that she can only 'replicate' dust, and theres no proof the dust is actually real or can actually invoke those effects.
Neo's abilities are still illusionary in that she creates and forms them, but that doesnt necessarily mean she can copy the elemental aspects of dust

We dont need to spam a bunch of abilities on her profile she hasn't shown to be able to use. When she proves it, then maybe, but i dont think thats happening.

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Neopolitan's Semblance basically evolved into making "real illusions"(i.e. illusions that have physical substance and the same poperties as the real deal) at this point? Why are you still assuming that they're still the same kind of illusions as before when her Semblance is now become more akin to Subjective Reality? Plus she already has Light Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, and Gravity Manipulation in her profile for making a copy of Jaune's shield so it's already accepted that the items that she duplicates have the exact same properties as the real deal.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Neopolitan's Semblance basically evolved into making "real illusions"(i.e. illusions that have physical substance and the same poperties as the real deal) at this point? Why are you still assuming that they're still the same kind of illusions as before when her Semblance is now become more akin to Subjective Reality? Plus she already has Light Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, and Gravity Manipulation in her profile for making a copy of Jaune's shield so it's already accepted that the items that she duplicates have the exact same properties as the real deal.

I mean, her semblance has always been like that, like thats how her semblance has always worked. Jinx even agreed to it being Subjective Reality earlier in the thread

 

[MysticBrawler]

I mean, her semblance has always been like that, like thats how her semblance has always worked. Jinx even agreed to it being Subjective Reality earlier in the thread

Then why are they insisting that Neopolitan's illusion abilities don't count cause they're "just illusions" when they should have the exact same attributes as the real thing(i.e a fire that Neopolitan conjures with her ability should have the exact same properties as "real fire")?

 

[Jinx666]

Correct me if I'm wrong but hasn't Neopolitan's Semblance basically evolved into making "real illusions"(i.e. illusions that have physical substance and the same poperties as the real deal) at this point? Why are you still assuming that they're still the same kind of illusions as before when her Semblance is now become more akin to Subjective Reality? Plus she already has Light Manipulation, Forcefield Creation, and Gravity Manipulation in her profile for making a copy of Jaune's shield so it's already accepted that the items that she duplicates have the exact same properties as the real deal.

Her semblance evolved in its capability, but that doesnt mean she can copy any tangible effects if she hasnt shown to. Ever After just buffed their longevity, capability and let Neo spam it a lot more. Its Subjective Reality but it doesnt mean she can tangibly copy semblances or the effects of certain dust (she could if it was shown, but it wasnt. Shes able to copy the visuals but that doesnt prove its real).
The only evidence for it is copying the Jabberwocker's trait but thats like, a specific Ever After hax, and being in the Ever After literally influenced Neo's semblance evolution. They make a point throughout the show that magic =/= semblances or aura

Idk why she has all that. she gets forecefield stuff from aura iirc, but making a 'copy of jaune's shield' doesnt mean it possesses the same tangible qualities either. No doubt she could 'replicate' how it works, but thats subjective reality, not her making it literal. She can copy Pyrrha's weapon too but in order to copy her 'Polarity' she would simply need to visualise and manually manifest it, but no guarantee it works on actual metals not controlled by her semblance.

Then why are they insisting that Neopolitan's illusion abilities don't count cause they're "just illusions" when they should have the exact same attributes as the real thing(i.e a fire that Neopolitan conjures with her ability should have the exact same properties as "real fire")?

If its not been proven then no, it shouldnt. Like i said, its best to give a footnote and be open to the possibility but as it turns out, Neo still hasn't proven her illusions can affect or copy anything tangibly outside of them. Its a strong semblance that essentially lets her control the whole battlefield shes conjured up, but that doesnt directly affect reality. If anything it also fits better as Neo's Semblance is kind of a manifestation of her own delusion.

Theres a small chance of it being the case, again, like with the Jabberwocker, but thats not strong enough to add about twenty different theoretical abilities to her profile for certain she hasn't been shown to utilise.

 

[Spinoirr]

I mean there's a reason why I didn't put Neo copying the Semblances or Maiden powers of others in my OG CRT for Neo

 

[MysticBrawler]

Her semblance evolved in its capability, but that doesnt mean she can copy any tangible effects if she hasnt shown to. Ever After just buffed their longevity, capability and let Neo spam it a lot more. Its Subjective Reality but it doesnt mean she can tangibly copy semblances or the effects of certain dust (she could if it was shown, but it wasnt. Shes able to copy the visuals but that doesnt prove its real).
The only evidence for it is copying the Jabberwocker's trait but thats like, a specific Ever After hax, and being in the Ever After literally influenced Neo's semblance evolution. They make a point throughout the show that magic =/= semblances or aura

Subjective Reality is defiined as the power to "induce reality to what is fiction, fantasy or imaginary, bringing them into existence" with one of it's uses being to "create and manifest objects and entities that aren't real at all, and only "exist" in the imagination and dreams of the user and/or other beings.". With that said if Neopolitan's Semblance has now evolved from bring Illusion Creation into Subjective Reality(which you seem to agree with) then that would in turn mean that what Neopolitan creates with her Semblance is no longer "just illusion" but rather the real deal which she made out of her imagination. As such you can't use the argument her abilities are "just illusions" to discredit what she makes.

Idk why she has all that. she gets forecefield stuff from aura iirc, but making a 'copy of jaune's shield' doesnt mean it possesses the same tangible qualities either. No doubt she could 'replicate' how it works, but thats subjective reality, not her making it literal. She can copy Pyrrha's weapon too but in order to copy her 'Polarity' she would simply need to visualise and manually manifest it, but no guarantee it works on actual metals not controlled by her semblance.

I already stopped arguing for her being able to copy Semblances so I don't see why your still bringing this up. The main argument now is her being able to copy every kind of Dust.

If its not been proven then no, it shouldnt. Like i said, its best to give a footnote and be open to the possibility but as it turns out, Neo still hasn't proven her illusions can affect or copy anything tangibly outside of them. Its a strong semblance that essentially lets her control the whole battlefield shes conjured up, but that doesnt directly affect reality. If anything it also fits better as Neo's Semblance is kind of a manifestation of her own delusion.

She's shown conjuring Fire(Leonardo launching a fireball attack at Ruby), Earth(Penny's stone swords and the entire Mansion), Metal(The Weapons made for her duplicates), Light(the lightbulbs in the mansion, Water(the Oscar clone bleeding when it was stabbed), which when coupled with the fact that she made a copy of Leonardo's Stalwart should be enough evidence to say that she would have access to all different Dust variants.

Theres a small chance of it being the case, again, like with the Jabberwocker, but thats not strong enough to add about twenty different theoretical abilities to her profile for certain she hasn't been shown to utilise.

I don't know about you but I think there is already enough evidence to add all of the Dust related abilities to her.

 

[Jinx666]

Subjective Reality is defiined as the power to "induce reality to what is fiction, fantasy or imaginary, bringing them into existence" with one of it's uses being to "create and manifest objects and entities that aren't real at all, and only "exist" in the imagination and dreams of the user and/or other beings.". With that said if Neopolitan's Semblance has now evolved from bring Illusion Creation into Subjective Reality(which you seem to agree with) then that would in turn mean that what Neopolitan creates with her Semblance is no longer "just illusion" but rather the real deal which she made out of her imagination. As such you can't use the argument her abilities are "just illusions" to discredit what she makes.

Subjective Reality, like every other powre, is an umbrella category and has different levels of ability and variations to other examples of it.
Neo can essentially manifest and bring about whatever she imagines or conjures like she did with her illusions, to a much greater level than shes shown, but that doesnt suddenly mean she just has full capability to control and copy other abilities.
Its purely assuming on your end that she can do all this just cause her abilities line up with Subjective Reality (essentially the power to create through imagination)

I already stopped arguing for her being able to copy Semblances so I don't see why your still bringing this up. The main argument now is her being able to copy every kind of Dust.

She's shown conjuring Fire(Leonardo launching a fireball attack at Ruby), Earth(Penny's stone swords and the entire Mansion), Metal(The Weapons made for her duplicates), Light(the lightbulbs in the mansion, Water(the Oscar clone bleeding when it was stabbed), which when coupled with the fact that she made a copy of Leonardo's Stalwart should be enough evidence to say that she would have access to all different Dust variants.

...Are you fr saying shes using light dust to make lightbulbs and 'water dust' to replicate Oscars bleeding? Theyre illusions.
And shes not. All she did was replicate the visuals of dust projectiles but as you cant seem to prove, the illusion 'dust' doesnt do anything real to actual dust. If she could shes basically a walking infinite dust glitch. If she for sure had this ability, it would have been shown to actually do the things those different types of dusts can (like electrocuting Ruby somehow)
Since she hasn't, then she cant. We shouldnt be giving her a bunch of 'what if, maybe' abilities based on the assumptions

I don't know about you but I think there is already enough evidence to add all of the Dust related abilities to her.

I dont Simply copying the look of projectiles via her semblance (which is how she always does things btw) doesnt mean she has used actual dust. Her whole power is creating these illusions, and even though theyre tangible and able to work under subjective reality, it doesnt mean she can just copy tons of powers or their elemental abilities
A footnote explaining how its possible she can do all this, via being able to copy the Jabberwocker's ability, is the best I can agree to. Its not strong enough to support a ton of ability additions shes never shown to use.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Lemme put it simply

If me and Jinx are actually agreeing on something in regards to RWBY, just go with it

 

[MysticBrawler]

Subjective Reality, like every other powre, is an umbrella category and has different levels of ability and variations to other examples of it.
Neo can essentially manifest and bring about whatever she imagines or conjures like she did with her illusions, to a much greater level than shes shown, but that doesnt suddenly mean she just has full capability to control and copy other abilities.
Its purely assuming on your end that she can do all this just cause her abilities line up with Subjective Reality (essentially the power to create through imagination)

If she can copy the Jabberwalker's ability to negate Immortality due to being an intrinsic trait for it then I don't see why she wouldn't be able to copy Dust-related abilities when they're also intrinsic to Dust as a material. Also since we're talking about Subjective Reality so much I think I'll just add that to the list of abilities she should have in the OP.

...Are you fr saying shes using light dust to make lightbulbs and 'water dust' to replicate Oscars bleeding? Theyre illusions.
And shes not. All she did was replicate the visuals of dust projectiles but as you cant seem to prove, the illusion 'dust' doesnt do anything real to actual dust. If she could shes basically a walking infinite dust glitch. If she for sure had this ability, it would have been shown to actually do the things those different types of dusts can (like electrocuting Ruby somehow)
Since she hasn't, then she cant. We shouldnt be giving her a bunch of 'what if, maybe' abilities based on the assumptions

Well considering how Dust is implemented into every piece of technology in Remnant I don't think it's a stretch to say that their light bulbs would already be using Dust as it's material/powersource, and regarding the blood what I'm simply saying is that she has no problem replicating liquids so she should be capable of conjuring water as well. Again why do you keep insisting that what she makes are still "just illusions" when that's no longer case? She could already make tangible illusions in Volume 6 so if we're going with the narrative of the story stating that her Semblance has evolved then the next logical step would be copying their physical properties, thus turning them into "real illusions".

I dont Simply copying the look of projectiles via her semblance (which is how she always does things btw) doesnt mean she has used actual dust. Her whole power is creating these illusions, and even though theyre tangible and able to work under subjective reality, it doesnt mean she can just copy tons of powers or their elemental abilities
A footnote explaining how its possible she can do all this, via being able to copy the Jabberwocker's ability, is the best I can agree to. Its not strong enough to support a ton of ability additions shes never shown to use.

Since when did we require this much scrutiny to add abilities? If it's shown in the show that she can conjure a fireball with her ability then she should get Fire Manipulation since she should now be capable of copying the intrinsic traits of fire. Frankly this reasoning of yours just comes off as an argument of incredulity.

 

[Jinx666]

Yeah im not going any deeper into this but

A) A living being like the Jabberwocker (who operates on magic) cant be compared to a fictional resource like Dust. We cant just give characters tens of different diverse abilities they've never used based on potential. Add a footnote suggesting its a possibility on the page below
B) Its not. Remnant has electricity too. Dust helps but its not so behind on the times they don't know what a lightbulb does. Dust is a precious resource. None of this affects Neo in the slightest.
C) When the wiki gets older and starts to have better standards than before, at least with any modern additions. We dont just have to look visually, we also look contextually, and the context is Neo is a character with a literal illusionary ability. You wouldnt call someone with illusion powers having 'fire manipulation', for conjuring an illusion of a fireball. Yes, Neo's illusions are tangible, but being able to output a physical force doesnt necessarily mean you can also replicate the elemental factors such as temperature
There are simply standards now. I've already compromised in saying we can mention a possibility but until Neo proves she can, she cant. And the wiki wants to rely on less shaky information as much as it can.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Yeah im not going any deeper into this but

A) A living being like the Jabberwocker (who operates on magic) cant be compared to a fictional resource like Dust. We cant just give characters tens of different diverse abilities they've never used based on potential. Add a footnote suggesting its a possibility on the page below

If she can copy the Jabberwalker, which operates on magic then shouldn't it be a reasonable to say that she can copy magic? Like why is the Jabberwalker the only thing that your willing to acknowledge as being true?

B) Its not. Remnant has electricity too. Dust helps but its not so behind on the times they don't know what a lightbulb does. Dust is a precious resource. None of this affects Neo in the slightest.

They've literally been shown to use dust as fuel for their vehicles and stoves, is it really that big of s stretch to say that their lightbulbs would also be using them?

C) When the wiki gets older and starts to have better standards than before, at least with any modern additions. We dont just have to look visually, we also look contextually, and the context is Neo is a character with a literal illusionary ability. You wouldnt call someone with illusion powers having 'fire manipulation', for conjuring an illusion of a fireball.

So your saying she can't copy Dust despite A) All of her duplicates shown shown shooting Dust rounds in her fight against Ruby, and B) Dust's abilities being intrinsic to the material itself much like how Immortality Negation is intrinsic to the Jabberwalker? There already is evidence that she can do this, you just refuse to acknowledge them since your still hung up on Neo ability being Illusion Creation despite the narrative clearly stating that her ability has evolved beyond just making normal illusions.

Yes, Neo's illusions are tangible, but being able to output a physical force doesnt necessarily mean you can also replicate the elemental factors such as temperature
There are simply standards now. I've already compromised in saying we can mention a possibility but until Neo proves she can, she cant. And the wiki wants to rely on less shaky information as much as it can.

The absence of evidence ≠ evidence of absence so saying "it didn't display heat" doesn't prove anything, and is one's again just an argument of incredulity.

 

[Jinx666]

Atp whatever you say, my stance isnt changing. All of these arguments are based on what ifs and no solid showings

 

[MysticBrawler]

Atp whatever you say, my stance isnt changing. All of these arguments are based on what ifs and no solid showings

No they're based on evidence shown in the Volume 9 episodes. Also in Chapter 7 Yang literally said and I quote: "But that’s… Those were more than just her usual tricks. They eat, and grow, and… How had she gotten so powerful?". So my arguments actually have more narrative support than yours do. With that said, if you don't have any other argument besides doubting the evidence presented then I think it's safe to say that there is nothing more to talk about. here.