A Huge Overhaul on Alien X's and Celestialsapiens' Pages (Heavy Downgrades) and Some Additions

[Aolphl]

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[Aolphl]

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[Firestorm808]

Removing Some Abilities:​

• Regeneration (At least Low-Mid, likely High; comparable to the Galactic Gladiator, who regenerated his hand after being destroyed, gained his body back after destroyed by a black hole, but in offscreen)

Fine.

• Higher Dimensional Manipulation (Can create and destroy higher dimensional spaces)

To my knowledge, "manipulation" abilities cover "create, destroy, or control X." Yes, we ignore the smaller scale "creations" in comparison to the larger structure. IE: Create a planet Earth means technically having creating water, rock, etc. In this case, an entire Higher Dimensional Hypertimeline structure is created/estroyed. The dimensional spaces is crux to what it is.

• Higher Dimensional Manipulation (Casually pierced through Contumelias extra-dimensional barrier)

Limited Passive is fine.

• Mind Manipulation & Body Puppetry (Comparable to Alien X, who controlled amalgam kids and Rooters)

Unless there is justification that the mind was affected, just Body Puppetry is fine.

• BFR (Said to be capable of sending Incurseans billions of light years away from earth, were capable of not just stopping Aggregor but sending the trio to the forge of creation, Comparable to StarBeard, who can teleport people from Earth to the Galactic Court against their will)

BFR via Teleportation is fine.
Resistance

• Vibration Manipulation (Upscaling from Mother Celestialsapien, no harm was done to Mother Celestialsapien from Aggregor's vibration attacks)

The clip shows him punching the "ground" to create a shockwave effect. It's one of those situations where do they have "resistance" or is the power gap too large. One could settle for "Possibly" having resistance.

• Information Manipulation (Type 2;Could erase all of existence, which includes Rex's Dimension where space, time, matter, energy, etc... are fundamental building blocks of reality)

Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure. I'd defer to other staff on the matter.

• Causality Manipulation (Via Existence Erasure which should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well. Wanted to save the dinosaurs from extinction. Celestialsapiens can destroy all of existence, which includes all time and causality itself)

Personally fine with it.

• Soul Manipulation (Capable of creating and manipulating living things which includes Anodites who are free sprits)

Unlike before, creating souls isn't crux to the overall scale of what was made. This can be moved to under "creation."

• Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 [Information {Type 2}] & 5 [Other: Laws, Life-Energy, Physics & History]; Alien X could one day destroy all of existence including the <White Void> which is a dimension of nothingness and devoid of space-time and mana, <Mana> which is a energy devoid of any laws)

Remove it entirely due only destroying something alongside with the Universe

• Non-Physical Interaction (Abstractions [Type 1], Information [Type 2], Incorporeality, Intangibility, Idea, Personalities, Mind, Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 {InformationType 2} & 5 {Other: Laws, Physics & History}], Soul, Aura & Space; Can destroy all of existence including all nonexistence, spaces and Anodites. Is superior to the likes of Big Chill who can interact with his intangible species. Comparable, if not superior, to Paradox who interacted with his very mind. Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura, Galactic Gladiator could affect Alien X’s mind space)

Like before, definitely keep things are crux to what makes up the structure that was made/destroyed.

I'd defer to other staff on the other stuff.

• Existence Erasure & Soul Destruction (History & Space-Time; Alien X could one day destroy all of existence, along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums. Should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well)

Removing Soul is fine.

• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics)

Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure and explicitly mentioned in the story. However, you need to specify if not all of "create, destroy, or control" apply. In this case, it's create/destroy.

• A character stated to be "omnipotent" or "able to do anything" doesn't qualify, as such cases are more likely than not hyperbole.

Power Mimicry

When it comes to "do anything" cosmic beings, they don't really "copy" abilities. They just do them. Fine to remove Power Mimicry but move "take on any power or form" to Reality Warping maybe?

• Self-Sustenance (All Types; Superior to Professor Paradox, Celestialsapiens reside in the Forge of Creation without the need for oxygen or food and are capable of debating for eternity without sleep)

Remove "Superior to Professor Paradox" is fine.

• Technology Manipulation & Power Nullification (2, possibly 3 layers; Could restrict the functioning of the Omnitrix and stated to be capable of disabling the Conquest Ray. Should be comparable, if not superior to Upgrade, who could manipulate Robo Rojo's armor despite it resisting his prior attempt)

Remove "Should be comparable, if not superior to Upgrade, who could manipulate Robo Rojo's armor despite it resisting his prior attempt."

• Existence Erasure & Soul Destruction (History & Space-Time; Alien X could one day destroy all of existence, along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums. Should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well)

Seems fine as is.

• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics)

Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure and explicitly mentioned in the story.

• Non-Physical Interaction (Abstractions [Type 1], Information [Type 2], Incorporeality, Intangibility, Idea, Personalities, Mind, Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 {InformationType 2} & 5 {Other: Laws, Physics & History}], Soul, Aura & Space; Can destroy all of existence including all nonexistence, spaces and Anodites. Is superior to the likes of Big Chillwho can interact with his intangible species. Comparable, if not superior, to Paradoxwho interacted with his verymind. Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura, Galactic Gladiator could affect Alien X’s mind space)

Like before, definitely keep things are crux to what makes up the structure that was made/destroyed.

I'd defer to other staff on the other stuff.

Range: Hyperversal (Should be comparable to the range of Chrono Navigator. Can create/destroy entire Annihilarrgh Universes. Servantis who is knowledgeable about other universes, claims that Alien X can wish everything out of existence)

Seems fine as is.

• Data Manipulation (Celestialsapiens change the universe often times, including digital worlds such as sumo slammers that is seemingly a simulated reality that uses data as a fundamental block to sustain reality)

Digital Worlds aren't crux to the overall scale of what was changed. Removal seems fine.

• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics)

Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure and explicitly mentioned in the story.

Incorporeality & Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Love & Rage]; Each Celestialsapien’s personalities embody something like Serena and Bellicus, who embody the ideas of Love and Rage.They lack a physical form due to their incorporeality and merely exist as an avatar. Celestialsapiens can only be affected by harming their debate dimension along with their consciousness, considering how Galactic Gladiator did the same to Alien X. This abstraction grants them Type 9 Immortality)

I'd defer AE to other staff.

• Non-Physical Interaction (Abstractions [Type 1], Information [Type 2], Incorporeality, Intangibility, Idea, Personalities, Mind, Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 {InformationType 2} & 5 {Other: Laws, Physics & History}], Soul, Aura & Space; Can destroy all of existence including all nonexistence, spaces and Anodites. Is superior to the likes of Big Chillwho can interact with his intangible species. Comparable, if not superior, to Paradoxwho interacted with his verymind. Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura, Galactic Gladiator could affect Alien X’s mind space)

This ability will change to this due reasons I explained in above-other sections;

• Non-Physical Interaction (Incorporeality, Personalities, Mind and Aura; Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura, Galactic Gladiator could affect Alien X’s mind space)

This one will go to Celestialsapiens' "Passive" section. And;

• Non-Physical Interaction (Information [Type 2] Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 {InformationType 2} & 5 {Other: Laws & Physics}] and Soul; Can destroy all of existence including Anodites)
  
  
• And this one will go to Celestialsapiens' "Enhanced" section.

Okay.

• Teleportation (Can teleport in the middle of a fight, can send Ben, Gwen and Kevin to the Forge of Creation)

Fine.

Stamina: Infinite (Celestialsapiens are capable of debating for eternity without sleep, stated by Professor Paradox; Albedo turned to Alien X was trapped motionless for nearly a year without needing eat or sleep)

Fine.

Also Alien X's Avatar Creation needs to move "Serena and Bellicus" section cuz the body doesn't have this ability but Serena and Bellicus. Also Celestialsapiens page lacks Avatar Creation, needs to added their "Passive" section.

Okay.

• Large Size (Type 0 normally, up to Type 7 with Size Manipulation; Celestialsapiens' base forms way larger than compere to Kevin and Gwen and can change their size to compere galaxies)

Okay.

• Space-Time Manipulation & Information Manipulation (Type 2; Can alter the fabric of the Universe and change the very nature of space and time and space-time is fundamental building blocks of the reality)

Okay.

• Existence Erasure (History & Space-Time; Alien X could one day destroy all of existence along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums. Could just "blink" people out of existence)

Okay.

• Biological Manipulation (Azmuth's appearance and voice were changed three times)

Voice Manipulation also needs to be added cuz Azmuth's voice was also changed

• Technology Manipulation & Power Nullification (2, possibly 3 layers; Could restrict the functioning of the Omnitrix and stated to be capable of disabling the Conquest Ray, created a machine for counting the votes in the Universe)
  
  Also can be discussable possibly Mind Reading ability due counting votes here, the people in the Universe wasn't have buttons for voting, so maybe they was reading peoples minds.

Moving to Tech manip is fine.

Mind Reading maybe?

Gravity Manipulation & Black Hole Creation (Can create a galaxy-sized black hole and can boost black hole's gravitational force)

Fine

 

[KaramcaS]

Aolphl. Most things have been accepted by 3-4 Admins. You can apply these to profile, leaving rejected or neutral things open for discussion.

 

[Lort15]

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Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure and explicitly mentioned in the story. However, you need to specify if not all of "create, destroy, or control" apply. In this case, it's create/destroy.

Power Mimicry

When it comes to "do anything" cosmic beings, they don't really "copy" abilities. They just do them. Fine to remove Power Mimicry but move "take on any power or form" to Reality Warping maybe?

I think it can go to Subjective Reality, i might make a replacement on it can you help me out, in discord? i have something to show

 

[Aolphl]

Power Mimicry

When it comes to "do anything" cosmic beings, they don't really "copy" abilities. They just do them. Fine to remove Power Mimicry but move "take on any power or form" to Reality Warping maybe?

I'm not trying to remove Power Mimicry, I'm arguing the abilities comes from this ability (kinda) should be removed

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Do you guys think that should I apply the things that accepted and make another thread for the abilities you guys neutral for it?

 

[Reiner04]

I'm not trying to remove Power Mimicry, I'm arguing the abilities comes from this ability (kinda) should be removed





Do you guys think that should I apply the things that accepted and make another thread for the abilities you guys neutral for it?

. However you wish to handle.

 

[Aolphl]

. However you wish to handle.

Okay, I will apply the changes tomorrow so this thread can be close after changes, I will inform you when I'm done with changes

 

[TauanVictor]

So... ?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

So far, from what I can see, the following things have been approved:

• Mind Manipulation (All of them are agreed with one of BP or MM would keep in profile, but with Firestorm's agreement, Mind Manipulation would removed and BP would keep in profile)
• Nonexistence Erasure (Remove [3 staffs agreed - 1 staffs disagreed])
• Soul Manipulation (Remove [3 staffs agreed - 1 staffs disagreed])
• Causality Manipulation (Remove [3 staffs agreed - 1 staffs disagreed])
• Passive Higher Dimensional Manipulation downgrade to limited
• Resistance to Vibration Manipulation (Remove [3 staffs agreed - 1 staffs agreed with downgrade to possibly])
• Others additions and replacements are get accepted by 4 staffs
• Remove "Should be comparable, if not superior to Upgrade, who could manipulate Robo Rojo's armor despite it resisting his prior attempt." and "Superior to Professor Paradox"

So far these abilities is what was accepted as I can see, maybe there more but this is what I see from staffs massages

Edit: Also Regeneration get downgrade to High

 

[KaramcaS]

So far, from what I can see, the following things have been these:

Removals​

• First Higher Dimensional Manipulation
• Mind Manipulation
• Resistance to Vibration Manipulation
• Information Manipulation
• Nonexistence Erasure
• Soul Destruction
• Data Manipulation
• Abstract Existence

Removing Some Parts​

• Causality Manipulation (Removing the reasons except the "Wanted to save the dinosaurs from extinction" part)
• Soul Manipulation (Removing the "capable of creating" part )
• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Removing the "Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics" and the "Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe" part)
• Self-Sustenance (Removing the "Superior to Professor Paradox" part)
• Technology Manipulation (Removing the "Should be comparable, if not superior to Upgrade, who could manipulate Robo Rojo's armor despite it resisting his prior attempt" part)
• Existence Erasure (Removing the "Should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well" part)
• Range:Hyperversal (Removing the ""Should be comparable to the range of Chrono Navigator" part)

Downgrades/Changes​

• Regeneration (High)
• Second Higher Dimensional Manipulation (Limited)
• BFR (Moved into Teleportation section)
• Non-Physical Interaction (Incorporeality, Personalities, Mind and Aura)
• Stamina: Infinite (Reasons)
• Avatar Creation (Moved into Serena and Bellicus section)
• Gravity Manipulation & Black Hole Creation (Reasons)

Additions​

• Large Size (Type 0 normally, up to Type 7)
• Information Manipulation added to Space-Time Manipulation
• Existence Erasure Reasons
• Voice Manipulation
• Technology Manipulation Reasons
• Resistance to Gravity Manipulation

Admin Votes​

Planck69: Everything.
LephyrTheRevanchist: Everything.
SomebodyData: Removings except AE1. Neatural on "Creating and Destroying" things.
Firestorm808: Everything except some stuffs, defers to other Staffs.

 

[KaramcaS]

If the Staffs approve this my last comment, I can add it to Profile without waiting for the OP owner, as he seem busy.

 

[Planck69]

My vote remains unchanged from before yeah.

 

[KaramcaS]

My vote remains unchanged from before yeah.

Can I apply the changes? OP seems busy, its been very long time

 

[Lort15]

dawg why is nonexistence erausre going that place is not connected with universe it EXIST way before the universe began

 

[KaramcaS]

dawg why is nonexistence erausre going that place is not connected with universe it EXIST way before the universe began

isnt universe encompass that

 

[Lort15]

isnt universe encompass that

no, as i said it exist way before the universe has began yet,

So far, from what I can see, the following things have been these:

Removals​

• First Higher Dimensional Manipulation
• Mind Manipulation
• Resistance to Vibration Manipulation
• Information Manipulation
• Nonexistence Erasure
• Soul Destruction
• Data Manipulation
• Abstract Existence

Removing Some Parts​

• Causality Manipulation (Removing the reasons except the "Wanted to save the dinosaurs from extinction" part)
• Soul Manipulation (Removing the "capable of creating" part )
• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Removing the "Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics" and the "Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe" part)
• Self-Sustenance (Removing the "Superior to Professor Paradox" part)
• Technology Manipulation (Removing the "Should be comparable, if not superior to Upgrade, who could manipulate Robo Rojo's armor despite it resisting his prior attempt" part)
• Existence Erasure (Removing the "Should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well" part)
• Range:Hyperversal (Removing the ""Should be comparable to the range of Chrono Navigator" part)

Downgrades/Changes​

• Regeneration (High)
• Second Higher Dimensional Manipulation (Limited)
• BFR (Moved into Teleportation section)
• Non-Physical Interaction (Incorporeality, Personalities, Mind and Aura)
• Stamina: Infinite (Reasons)
• Avatar Creation (Moved into Serena and Bellicus section)
• Gravity Manipulation & Black Hole Creation (Reasons)

Additions​

• Large Size (Type 0 normally, up to Type 7)
• Information Manipulation added to Space-Time Manipulation
• Existence Erasure Reasons
• Voice Manipulation
• Technology Manipulation Reasons
• Resistance to Gravity Manipulation

Admin Votes​

Planck69: Everything.
LephyrTheRevanchist: Everything.
SomebodyData: Removings except AE1. Neatural on "Creating and Destroying" things.
Firestorm808: Everything except some stuffs, defers to other Staffs.

also info manip is not being removed it will be changed to "capable of changing rex's dimension space-time which is made up with codes or smth" also why is superior to paradox is going from both ee and range he has it because " he has the greatest power in the verse" those statements scales characters AP and range to above their levels he doesn't have it because he is only omnipotent and you can still count Reiner's vote since he voted when he was a staff

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Abstract Existence and Information Stuff removal only gets 2 staffs, other staffs don't says everything to it (also Reiner disagree with removing it)

Reiner's vote still counts, since he retired after the thread, not before it.

 

[Lort15]

Abstract Existence and Information Stuff removal only gets 2 staffs, other staffs don't says everything to it (also Reiner disagree with removing it)

Reiner's vote still counts, since he retired after the thread, not before it.

on the second thought shouldn't the regen also be still Low-Godly as it has Avatar Creation which is creating a body from out of nothing, and He is regenerating from a non-physical source Mahito has something similiar to that with possibly rating, basically his regen was assumed to have Low-Godly as long as his soul is fine, which AX has the same thing he is regenerating by Serena and Bellicus as long as they alive the body can be created with avatar creation

 

[Planck69]

Can I apply the changes? OP seems busy, its been very long time

You can apply the things with a 2 vote difference. If that seems unsure then you can get one more staff to look at this if you want.

 

[Aolphl]

If the Staffs approve this my last comment, I can add it to Profile without waiting for the OP owner, as he seem busy.

Actually, I'm free at friday and onwards, I can deal it with and can make an another thread for it, but I still appreciated

Reiner's vote still counts, since he retired after the thread, not before it.

Yeah that's true

Abstract Existence and Information Stuff removal only gets 2 staffs, other staffs don't says everything to it (also Reiner disagree with removing it)

Which one you referring

 

[KaramcaS]

no, as i said it exist way before the universe has began yet,

Servantis said He will destroy all of existence, White Void is not an Existence, why should we even include that? plus we dont know if Servanits knows the White Void, its really very hyperbole

also info manip is not being removed it will be changed to "capable of changing rex's dimension space-time which is made up with codes or smth"

Info Manip and Info Manip and SpaceTime Manip is not the Same thing.

also why is superior to paradox is going from both ee and range he has it because " he has the greatest power in the verse" those statements scales characters AP and range to above their levels he doesn't have it because he is only omnipotent

That statement dosent gives you every Hax so EE cant given. Range is changed, that paradox one was doesnt needed

and you can still count Reiner's vote since he voted when he was a staff

idk

Abstract Existence and Information Stuff removal only gets 2 staffs

Firestrom defers to other staffs, which means Planck and Lephy, that counts 3 Staff Vote

on the second thought shouldn't the regen also be still Low-Godly as it has Avatar Creation which is creating a body from out of nothing

So you are saying that Any character who has Avatar Creation would get Low-Godly Regeneration?

 

[Lort15]

Servantis said He will destroy all of existence, White Void is not an Existence, why should we even include that? plus we dont know if Servanits knows the White Void, its really very hyperbole

it's not because of that, it scales above Annihilargh which leaves nothing behind including the white-void

Info Manip and Info Manip and SpaceTime Manip is not the Same thing.

the space-time is made up with info's also they can target their EE on a single target if neccecary he doesn't need to erase the cosmology

That statement dosent gives you every Hax so EE cant given. Range is changed, that paradox one was doesnt needed

the point is not giving the EE but AP, their EE are based on AP basically his EE is superior to the other one in terms of power

So you are saying that Any character who has Avatar Creation would get Low-Godly Regeneration?

some of them may be not combat applicable if they didn't perform regeneration ability in other extends, yet AX does have regen capabilities and yeah creating a body from out of nothing is basically Low-Godly regen

 

[Lort15]

You can apply the things with a 2 vote difference. If that seems unsure then you can get one more staff to look at this if you want.

Ben 10 is a popular verse doesn't that mean they need 3 agreements on total to be count as agreement, does 3-2 really works or was it 3-1

 

[Lort15]

Hmm, actually, that's makes sense, I'm fine with creation of Mana & Type 1 Concepts/Magic and Info Manip Type 2 due these abilities' independent nature, I will revise the thread and add these abilities (and relevant ones) too, but only on Creation ways, cuz destroying them still part of AP, and I still disagree with Physics Manipulation, Law Manipulation and Causality Manipulation though cuz these abilities only coming from creating and destroying the Universe and doesn't need requiring create or destroy separately

additionally the OP agreed with Reiner about this @KaramcaS which means that Planck also agreed with this those abilities are "independent nature" meaning that their nature are not depends on the universe