A Huge Overhaul on Alien X's and Celestialsapiens' Pages (Heavy Downgrades) and Some Additions

[Aolphl]

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[Aolphl]

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[Firestorm808]

Removing Some Abilities:​

• Regeneration (At least Low-Mid, likely High; comparable to the Galactic Gladiator, who regenerated his hand after being destroyed, gained his body back after destroyed by a black hole, but in offscreen)

Fine.

• Higher Dimensional Manipulation (Can create and destroy higher dimensional spaces)

To my knowledge, "manipulation" abilities cover "create, destroy, or control X." Yes, we ignore the smaller scale "creations" in comparison to the larger structure. IE: Create a planet Earth means technically having creating water, rock, etc. In this case, an entire Higher Dimensional Hypertimeline structure is created/estroyed. The dimensional spaces is crux to what it is.

• Higher Dimensional Manipulation (Casually pierced through Contumelias extra-dimensional barrier)

Limited Passive is fine.

• Mind Manipulation & Body Puppetry (Comparable to Alien X, who controlled amalgam kids and Rooters)

Unless there is justification that the mind was affected, just Body Puppetry is fine.

• BFR (Said to be capable of sending Incurseans billions of light years away from earth, were capable of not just stopping Aggregor but sending the trio to the forge of creation, Comparable to StarBeard, who can teleport people from Earth to the Galactic Court against their will)

BFR via Teleportation is fine.
Resistance

• Vibration Manipulation (Upscaling from Mother Celestialsapien, no harm was done to Mother Celestialsapien from Aggregor's vibration attacks)

The clip shows him punching the "ground" to create a shockwave effect. It's one of those situations where do they have "resistance" or is the power gap too large. One could settle for "Possibly" having resistance.

• Information Manipulation (Type 2;Could erase all of existence, which includes Rex's Dimension where space, time, matter, energy, etc... are fundamental building blocks of reality)

Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure. I'd defer to other staff on the matter.

• Causality Manipulation (Via Existence Erasure which should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well. Wanted to save the dinosaurs from extinction. Celestialsapiens can destroy all of existence, which includes all time and causality itself)

Personally fine with it.

• Soul Manipulation (Capable of creating and manipulating living things which includes Anodites who are free sprits)

Unlike before, creating souls isn't crux to the overall scale of what was made. This can be moved to under "creation."

• Nonexistence Erasure (Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 [Information {Type 2}] & 5 [Other: Laws, Life-Energy, Physics & History]; Alien X could one day destroy all of existence including the <White Void> which is a dimension of nothingness and devoid of space-time and mana, <Mana> which is a energy devoid of any laws)

Remove it entirely due only destroying something alongside with the Universe

• Non-Physical Interaction (Abstractions [Type 1], Information [Type 2], Incorporeality, Intangibility, Idea, Personalities, Mind, Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 {InformationType 2} & 5 {Other: Laws, Physics & History}], Soul, Aura & Space; Can destroy all of existence including all nonexistence, spaces and Anodites. Is superior to the likes of Big Chill who can interact with his intangible species. Comparable, if not superior, to Paradox who interacted with his very mind. Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura, Galactic Gladiator could affect Alien X’s mind space)

Like before, definitely keep things are crux to what makes up the structure that was made/destroyed.

I'd defer to other staff on the other stuff.

• Existence Erasure & Soul Destruction (History & Space-Time; Alien X could one day destroy all of existence, along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums. Should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well)

Removing Soul is fine.

• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics)

Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure and explicitly mentioned in the story. However, you need to specify if not all of "create, destroy, or control" apply. In this case, it's create/destroy.

• A character stated to be "omnipotent" or "able to do anything" doesn't qualify, as such cases are more likely than not hyperbole.

Power Mimicry

When it comes to "do anything" cosmic beings, they don't really "copy" abilities. They just do them. Fine to remove Power Mimicry but move "take on any power or form" to Reality Warping maybe?

• Self-Sustenance (All Types; Superior to Professor Paradox, Celestialsapiens reside in the Forge of Creation without the need for oxygen or food and are capable of debating for eternity without sleep)

Remove "Superior to Professor Paradox" is fine.

• Technology Manipulation & Power Nullification (2, possibly 3 layers; Could restrict the functioning of the Omnitrix and stated to be capable of disabling the Conquest Ray. Should be comparable, if not superior to Upgrade, who could manipulate Robo Rojo's armor despite it resisting his prior attempt)

Remove "Should be comparable, if not superior to Upgrade, who could manipulate Robo Rojo's armor despite it resisting his prior attempt."

• Existence Erasure & Soul Destruction (History & Space-Time; Alien X could one day destroy all of existence, along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums. Should be superior to the Chrono Navigator, a device capable of destroying all of existence, which includes time and causality, as Servantis implied Alien X being omnipotent in that aspect, which has been supported by Professor Paradox previously, who called him omnipotent as well)

Seems fine as is.

• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics)

Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure and explicitly mentioned in the story.

• Non-Physical Interaction (Abstractions [Type 1], Information [Type 2], Incorporeality, Intangibility, Idea, Personalities, Mind, Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 {InformationType 2} & 5 {Other: Laws, Physics & History}], Soul, Aura & Space; Can destroy all of existence including all nonexistence, spaces and Anodites. Is superior to the likes of Big Chillwho can interact with his intangible species. Comparable, if not superior, to Paradoxwho interacted with his verymind. Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura, Galactic Gladiator could affect Alien X’s mind space)

Like before, definitely keep things are crux to what makes up the structure that was made/destroyed.

I'd defer to other staff on the other stuff.

Range: Hyperversal (Should be comparable to the range of Chrono Navigator. Can create/destroy entire Annihilarrgh Universes. Servantis who is knowledgeable about other universes, claims that Alien X can wish everything out of existence)

Seems fine as is.

• Data Manipulation (Celestialsapiens change the universe often times, including digital worlds such as sumo slammers that is seemingly a simulated reality that uses data as a fundamental block to sustain reality)

Digital Worlds aren't crux to the overall scale of what was changed. Removal seems fine.

• Physics Manipulation & Law Manipulation (Comparable to the Annihilarrgh, which establishes the laws of physics for each Annihilarrgh's universe. Capable of changing the entire universe, including laws of physics. Recreated an entire universe with it's specific laws of physics)

Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure and explicitly mentioned in the story.

Incorporeality & Abstract Existence (Type 1 [Love & Rage]; Each Celestialsapien’s personalities embody something like Serena and Bellicus, who embody the ideas of Love and Rage.They lack a physical form due to their incorporeality and merely exist as an avatar. Celestialsapiens can only be affected by harming their debate dimension along with their consciousness, considering how Galactic Gladiator did the same to Alien X. This abstraction grants them Type 9 Immortality)

I'd defer AE to other staff.

• Non-Physical Interaction (Abstractions [Type 1], Information [Type 2], Incorporeality, Intangibility, Idea, Personalities, Mind, Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 {InformationType 2} & 5 {Other: Laws, Physics & History}], Soul, Aura & Space; Can destroy all of existence including all nonexistence, spaces and Anodites. Is superior to the likes of Big Chillwho can interact with his intangible species. Comparable, if not superior, to Paradoxwho interacted with his verymind. Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura, Galactic Gladiator could affect Alien X’s mind space)

This ability will change to this due reasons I explained in above-other sections;

• Non-Physical Interaction (Incorporeality, Personalities, Mind and Aura; Can interact with Galactic Gladiator's aura, Galactic Gladiator could affect Alien X’s mind space)

This one will go to Celestialsapiens' "Passive" section. And;

• Non-Physical Interaction (Information [Type 2] Nonexistence [Nature Type 1, Aspects 1, 4 {InformationType 2} & 5 {Other: Laws & Physics}] and Soul; Can destroy all of existence including Anodites)
  
  
• And this one will go to Celestialsapiens' "Enhanced" section.

Okay.

• Teleportation (Can teleport in the middle of a fight, can send Ben, Gwen and Kevin to the Forge of Creation)

Fine.

Stamina: Infinite (Celestialsapiens are capable of debating for eternity without sleep, stated by Professor Paradox; Albedo turned to Alien X was trapped motionless for nearly a year without needing eat or sleep)

Fine.

Also Alien X's Avatar Creation needs to move "Serena and Bellicus" section cuz the body doesn't have this ability but Serena and Bellicus. Also Celestialsapiens page lacks Avatar Creation, needs to added their "Passive" section.

Okay.

• Large Size (Type 0 normally, up to Type 7 with Size Manipulation; Celestialsapiens' base forms way larger than compere to Kevin and Gwen and can change their size to compere galaxies)

Okay.

• Space-Time Manipulation & Information Manipulation (Type 2; Can alter the fabric of the Universe and change the very nature of space and time and space-time is fundamental building blocks of the reality)

Okay.

• Existence Erasure (History & Space-Time; Alien X could one day destroy all of existence along with their individual history, including multiple space-time continuums. Could just "blink" people out of existence)

Okay.

• Biological Manipulation (Azmuth's appearance and voice were changed three times)

Voice Manipulation also needs to be added cuz Azmuth's voice was also changed

• Technology Manipulation & Power Nullification (2, possibly 3 layers; Could restrict the functioning of the Omnitrix and stated to be capable of disabling the Conquest Ray, created a machine for counting the votes in the Universe)
  
  Also can be discussable possibly Mind Reading ability due counting votes here, the people in the Universe wasn't have buttons for voting, so maybe they was reading peoples minds.

Moving to Tech manip is fine.

Mind Reading maybe?

Gravity Manipulation & Black Hole Creation (Can create a galaxy-sized black hole and can boost black hole's gravitational force)

Fine

 

[KaramcaS]

Aolphl. Most things have been accepted by 3-4 Admins. You can apply these to profile, leaving rejected or neutral things open for discussion.

 

[Lort15]

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Like before, these things are crux to what makes up the universe structure and explicitly mentioned in the story. However, you need to specify if not all of "create, destroy, or control" apply. In this case, it's create/destroy.

Power Mimicry

When it comes to "do anything" cosmic beings, they don't really "copy" abilities. They just do them. Fine to remove Power Mimicry but move "take on any power or form" to Reality Warping maybe?

I think it can go to Subjective Reality, i might make a replacement on it can you help me out, in discord? i have something to show

 

[Aolphl]

Power Mimicry

When it comes to "do anything" cosmic beings, they don't really "copy" abilities. They just do them. Fine to remove Power Mimicry but move "take on any power or form" to Reality Warping maybe?

I'm not trying to remove Power Mimicry, I'm arguing the abilities comes from this ability (kinda) should be removed

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Do you guys think that should I apply the things that accepted and make another thread for the abilities you guys neutral for it?

 

[Reiner04]

I'm not trying to remove Power Mimicry, I'm arguing the abilities comes from this ability (kinda) should be removed





Do you guys think that should I apply the things that accepted and make another thread for the abilities you guys neutral for it?

. However you wish to handle.

 

[Aolphl]

. However you wish to handle.

Okay, I will apply the changes tomorrow so this thread can be close after changes, I will inform you when I'm done with changes