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BAN-KAI! Bleach General Discussion

Hellscream said:
I'll prolly reread bleach when the anime drops, and check the verse in it's entirety

Hilarious that these guys aren't okay with high calcs, but have completely no problem with horrendously downplayed calcs, talk about double standards
Imagine even attempting to downgrade it to 50km that's based on bullshit 😭

But hey, you just want "accuracy" right
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Notice how no one, even us ”downplayers”, has a problem with Senna, Senjumaru or Gremmy btw
 
Hellscream said:
Wtf is this random ass false equivalence?

Just bc you're okay with blatant feats that are uncontestable doesn't mean you're not downplaying
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They're not uncontestable (no calc in existence is). We just don't have a problem with high calcs like them, but rather we have a problem with stuff that defies common sense like 14 million km atmosphere
 
Saqphire said:
They're not uncontestable (no calc in existence is). We just don't have a problem with high calcs like them, but rather we have a problem with stuff that defies common sense like 14 million km atmosphere
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(I never mentioned the calc, i specifically talked about the feats which are interstellar in scale)

The asmosphere shit has been addressed, and is irrelevant, the fact that the calc was accepted at what, 6k km which is in earth's exosphere says more than enough.
Mfs only cared about the size becoming smaller, not even their own argumentative presentation.

So please, spare this talk for yourself.
Revise your own favorite verse first, i'd say.
 
Hellscream said:
(I never mentioned the calc, i specifically talked about the feats which are interstellar in scale)

The asmosphere shit has been addressed, and is irrelevant, the fact that the calc was accepted at what, 6k km which is in earth's exosphere says more than enough.
Mfs only cared about the size becoming smaller, not even their own argumentative presentation.

So please, spare this talk for yourself.
Revise your own favorite verse first, i'd say.
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What would have been the optimal hight for the palace in your opinion
 
Mommyleona said:
Nope!
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The calc is just bad tho
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Problem with a Bleach calc (I got one more in me)

This is about Uryu's reaction?/perception? calc I'm unsure if it can be considered valid to begin with, since Ishida isn't seeing those cycles, he's just able to roughly sense them, therefore I think it shouldn't be considered a speed feat for Uryu at all But in case it's still considered some...
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Saqphire said:
They're not uncontestable (no calc in existence is). We just don't have a problem with high calcs like them, but rather we have a problem with stuff that defies common sense like 14 million km atmosphere
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And 6000 km atmosphere is better in what way exactly?
 
I really thought that had some concrete feat that didn't depend on speculation in distance calculations. I'm starting the second part of the anime now, there's really nothing concrete yet, like, a declaration of the speed of light? Someone dodging light?
 
If we consider the blue sky that we see at SK palace to be earth's standard atmosphere, 6000km makes almost as much sense as millions of km.
 
GTsek said:
I really thought that had some concrete feat that didn't depend on speculation in distance calculations. I'm starting the second part of the anime now, there's really nothing concrete yet, like, a declaration of the speed of light? Someone dodging light?
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Nope
 
PizzaDante67 said:
Cour 4 finna give us 12 Anime exclusive Mftl+/Infinite speed feats 🙏
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Burning_Full_Fingers said:
So wait, what are the general stats going to be like? Characters going down to mountain - island level and Hypersonic or what?
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The Las Noches downgrade doesn’t change alot as far as i know, since they upscale from something else. The FTL ratings are gone tho so we have 3-B characters with Mhs+ speed😭 speed revisions will be done after Cour 4 so it‘s not too deep.
 
PizzaDante67 said:
The Las Noches downgrade doesn’t change alot as far as i know, since they upscale from something else. The FTL ratings are gone tho so we have 3-B characters with Mhs+ speed😭 speed revisions will be done after Cour 4 so it‘s not too deep.
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Lol.

Anyway, I wouldn’t advise people to crash out over any of this. Stats change all the time.


There was a time when God Tiers were like, country to continental. I was shocked when I came back to see Bleach at Tier 4 and Tier 3. Even Tier 5 was a huge struggle at some point. Same with One Piece, which was 7-A to High 6-C.

Anyway, these upgrades and downgrades are just cycles depending on what users are on the wiki, simply because powerscaling is inherently divisive and not factual.

I wouldn’t take it to heart even if you personally don’t agree with the changes. People that were here from 2016-2019 ish should know how easily stats, especially for popular verses, can change so drastically.
 
Don't most scale off the Seireitei calc anyway? Scaling from that and numerous multipliers still get ppl to 6-A. I do find the whole LN beig smaller than KT hilarious though.
 
Burning_Full_Fingers said:
Lol.

Anyway, I wouldn’t advise people to crash out over any of this. Stats change all the time.


There was a time when God Tiers were like, country to continental. I was shocked when I came back to see Bleach at Tier 4 and Tier 3. Even Tier 5 was a huge struggle at some point. Same with One Piece, which was 7-A to High 6-C.

Anyway, these upgrades and downgrades are just cycles depending on what users are on the wiki, simply because powerscaling is inherently divisive and not factual.

I wouldn’t take it to heart even if you personally don’t agree with the changes. People that were here from 2016-2019 ish should know how easily stats, especially for popular verses, can change so drastically.
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True true but it can still be somewhat frustrating when people agree to downgrade a verse without listening or straight up ignoring the counter arguments given.

not talking about Bleach in particular btw but in general. Did any of y‘all see what the TenSura fandom had to endure the past couple months? Those downgrade attempts/arguments were genuinely ridiculous.

Anyway, in cour 4 we trust.
 
Arkenis said:
Don't most scale off the Seireitei calc anyway? Scaling from that and numerous multipliers still get ppl to 6-A. I do find the whole LN beig smaller than KT hilarious though.
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Most likely, when these sizes and distances are being upgraded/downgraded, it’s a domino effect where just about everything is affected.

It’s possible Seireitei or even the cosmic showings are going to have similar CRTs.
 
BeTheWay1rst said:
I am surprised that Soul King multiversal division/création isn't already MFTL+++ on the wiki, like, what are you guys waiting for?
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No one cares about attack speed on the wiki iangl (especially attack speed feats that scale to no one)
 
Burning_Full_Fingers said:
Lol.

Anyway, I wouldn’t advise people to crash out over any of this. Stats change all the time.


There was a time when God Tiers were like, country to continental. I was shocked when I came back to see Bleach at Tier 4 and Tier 3. Even Tier 5 was a huge struggle at some point. Same with One Piece, which was 7-A to High 6-C.

Anyway, these upgrades and downgrades are just cycles depending on what users are on the wiki, simply because powerscaling is inherently divisive and not factual.

I wouldn’t take it to heart even if you personally don’t agree with the changes. People that were here from 2016-2019 ish should know how easily stats, especially for popular verses, can change so drastically.
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6000km is quite insane downplay for the soul palace distance. Tbh theirs plenty of stuff we use for the distance like a regular shunpo being faster then sound and it takes 1 week using regular shunpo. So that's already a distance of 100,000s of thousands of kilometers. Doing the math spiral stairs don't add much to the distance
 
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Wasnt there a statement in SAFWY about Cien's cero hitting a satellite in the blink of an eye or something like that. Has anyone calced it?
 
The grimmjow statement might not be cooked after all. Pretty much every translator compares his speed to lightning.

そこから現れた白い影は、それこそキャンディスの雷光の如き勢いでその身を尸魂界の中に躍らせた。

"From that Soul Society, the white figure that appeared hurled itself into the Seireitei with a speed just like Candice’s lightning"

Chatgbt

Also the dued basically perception blitzed everyone their. Which is supporting evidence of him moving at lightning speeds or faster since Candace's lightning bolts are faster then normal ones
 
Burning_Full_Fingers said:
Lol.

Anyway, I wouldn’t advise people to crash out over any of this. Stats change all the time.


There was a time when God Tiers were like, country to continental. I was shocked when I came back to see Bleach at Tier 4 and Tier 3. Even Tier 5 was a huge struggle at some point. Same with One Piece, which was 7-A to High 6-C.

Anyway, these upgrades and downgrades are just cycles depending on what users are on the wiki, simply because powerscaling is inherently divisive and not factual.

I wouldn’t take it to heart even if you personally don’t agree with the changes. People that were here from 2016-2019 ish should know how easily stats, especially for popular verses, can change so drastically.
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Agreed, @Mommyleona sorry for what I said was offensive, I know you’re not doing it personally, you’re just striving for the most accurate results
 
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